Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

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I don't think there is a "left" as is being described by so many on SM. At least, nowhere near enough of them to constitute a threat to society or to warrant the kind of apoplectic responses by the "right". This is all social engineering 101.

How many of these people would be required to constitute a threat? Several hundred thousands? Millions? And what if they were able to easily find their way into positions of power through DEI? I don't think that people are wrong to see this as an issue.

The history of political chaos, violence, and crises going back to the beginning of recorded history is the history of the outsized influence of small minorities.

 

[Skyalmian]

Millions?

(Carl) How many real living US citizens cast a legitimate vote for Donald Trump in the recent election, to the nearest million?
(Joe) Real citizens?
(L) Real citizens that are registered to vote.
A: Close to 100.
Q: (L) Close to 100 million?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And for Kamala?
A: Less than 23 [million]

 

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If, for example, there were 100 individual or mass shootings over the past 20 years in the USA, I'd say less than 10% were "organic". There's a distinction to be made between people who "go postal" as a result of personal life circumstances and societal pressures (regardless of how much any of those were created by the ptb) and those whose actions were directly provoked by the ptb.

How do you define organic? You're giving two options here: "going postal" and "directly provoked". I think the range of possibilities is way more complex than that, more like what Niall and Luc described.

As for the statistics estimate, it's fine as a heuristic, but I wouldn't be too confident in its accuracy. When it comes to assassinations, for example, I would not be surprised to learn, in an impossible state of perfect knowledge, that many such murders in the US and around the world were not actually intelligence operations, that others were actually such operations but for reasons I never imagined, and/or that a whole lot of other people who died were actually assassinated that I had no idea about. In the absence of that state of perfect knowledge, I am comfortable being uncertain and not trusting my heuristics that much.

Given the result of the Kirk assassination, I'd say it falls into the 2nd category, like most other events that progressively sowed division between people.

It's fine to put it in that box. It fits a certain template for coming to quick conclusions for events. But it's only a working hypothesis and it will always be so, in the absence of total knowledge. It's impossible and irrational to be more than 98 or 99% certain about anything aside from math or logical proofs, and that 1% of doubt should be enough to be open to the possibility that our working hypotheses are wrong. In this case, for example, I don't know what the reality it is. I wouldn't be surprised if Robinson was directly provoked, or indirectly provoked, or really anything in between or outside at this point, given how little evidence there is. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out he didn't actually take the shot, and someone else did, but that would require some convincing evidence. Until then it just remains one possibility of many.

I'm reminded of these two threads:

Post in thread 'Watch the skies and land and oceans'

Jan 6, 2025

Ellipse, and anyone else for whom this may be useful: part of the underlying ethos of this forum is to come to a more objective view of what goes on in our reality. That goal is not served by actively looking for confirmation of things we believe, regardless of how accurate we think out beliefs are (and here I'm talking mainly about the beliefs based on the Cs cosmology, because that is, after all, the source of most of our beliefs).

Instead, we should always and everywhere be looking to DISPROVE our beliefs. NOT because we want to get rid of our beliefs necessarily, but because;

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Aug 5, 2019

Sure, but the context here is important, not to mention the history of similar shootings and attacks. The context is the continued demonization of "Trump supporters" and the exacerbation of the fracture points in American society. In that context, reports of multiple shooters have more weight.

For sure. I just try to avoid letting weight morph into certainty. Even if 9 times out of 10 an event will fit a certain type, that doesn't mean the we can say anything with certainty about the next one. And fracture points can be exacerbated by individuals falling for propaganda and directed...

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Their assassin has apparently not yet confessed to the crime, which would be strange for someone who was on a personal, political mission to 'snuff out my enemy'. He should be gloating and proud of it, no? Using his new-found infamy to 'go full Anders Breivik' and articulate his beliefs and political manifesto?

I guess that would depend. Maybe, maybe not? He doesn't strike me as the Breivik type.

If he's got any remaining common sense, he would know you don't cooperate with the cops and leave that to your lawyer. Plus, "ACAB."

This ex-NYPD officer speculates that based on her experience, he was possibly advised by family not to talk:

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

The history of political chaos, violence, and crises going back to the beginning of recorded history is the history of the outsized influence of small minorities.

I believe normal people use the term the "left" to describe the ramified network of politicians, activists, and professionals who make a career out of race grifting, LGBTQ activism, oppression olympics, opening borders, wanting people dead for disagreeing with them, and basically ethnically replacing their citizens.

Thinking about what is "the left" - take illegal immigrants and open borders for example. We know that the floodgates were opened by psychopaths to cause chaos, rig elections, mess with the economy, intimidate the population, bring gangs/drugs/weapons, and all that jazz. To curb any massive resistance they spread propaganda to create what looks like "conversation/debate" about the topic rather than a universal opposition which requires immediate action. Instead of uniting in opposition to it, people notice what looks like a bunch of people who support it, and debate them. They create an appearance of far more supporters than there really are, or were initially. These efforts do seem to get a bunch of left-leaning people to buy into the propaganda to various degrees and adopt the propaganda slogans etc.

Is it fair to say that this support for illegals and open borders is a result of a leftist ideology, when the actual people creating the situation are completely non-ideological and simply using them as dumb pawns who can't think past a few propaganda slogans?

If we look deeper and broader, I think it's fair to say that a lot of the other crap we attribute to leftist ideology like critical race theory, LGBTQ activism, oppression olympics, atheism/nihilism, etc can all be traced back to various campaigns by a few psychopaths, often with Israeli ties (and deep state in general), for various reasons, and I think a lot of those topics have been explored at some depth in other threads.

So it might even be more accurate to say there is no "left" at all exactly (as we understand them today), but rather there were some dumb/naive people, often young and/or OP's and authoritarians who have been victims of a targeted propaganda campaign to make them unhinged, deranged, confused, and angry at all the wrong things. Slap on some slogans, use COINTELPRO to create groups like BLM and antifa, use bots to engineer "social proof" to make it look like a popular movement with millions of supporters on various social media platforms like reddit, and sprinkle in some election rigging to further create the illusion of "popular support", and you can even confuse some centrists/conservatives that they're dealing with like half of the population against them who all support some strange new ideology. Oh and let's just get a few nice fiery riots going for good measure all of which can be traced to various "sponsors", none of which are organic at all.

But really, if you get rid of the smoke and mirrors and lift the curtain, you basically have a few brainwashed retards and a bunch of government spooks working overtime. With a sprinkle of semi-brainwashed "comrades". But none of it is a proper political movement or even a proper ideology. It's a fabrication with no substance, no legs, ever-changing at the whims of its non-ideological psychopathic masters.

So right now I tend to agree with Joe about the left, and I think I over-reacted a bit in my earlier most because I was emotional from Charlie's death (I also felt it rather hard like many here, way more so than I pretty much ever do with celeb or influencer deaths). I think I was really bothered by what I perceived as leftists gloating and laughing and celebrating, I allowed it to get under my skin. It is repulsive to be sure, but I shouldn't have let a group of propagandized retards affect me so. As Jesus/Caesar said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do". They really don't, they are so dumb, it's like being angry at an annoying 9 year old who gets a kick out of getting a rise out of you. I'm guilty of letting these 9 year olds "feed" on my anger because they caught me in a slightly compromised moment. I'm over it!

 

[seek10]

Since I am still 'hung up' on his security doing the killing given all the 'Cui bono' factors I asked Grok what type of 'toys' available. Evidence of the bullet can be tampered from hospital or coroner. If some body did it, all these can be easily arranged. I too find the security guys removing the camera from the tent immediately (as if it is normal procedure) is biggest suspicion ( i.e. it can be tampered rather easily).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967079695050268971

This blue/green shirt guy jumped as if he is planned to jump that way with something in the hand under armpit (before) and hand coming down as if he practiced it a lot. I know system 2 narrations can lead us so many directions. Just a possibility. Some say it is too nearer to shoot. Others say he is not looking and but it can be 'triangulated' even without that.

After few questions, (no fumes, blood gushing out scenario and so on) , Grok led me to 'advanced silent fire arms'

If we're focusing on advanced silent firearms rather than the latest technologies, here are some methods and developments that could achieve a targeted killing without direct line-of-sight or visible fumes, potentially aligning with the scenario described:

- **Captive Piston Cartridges**: These are a type of ammunition where the cartridge case acts as a piston to trap gases, significantly reducing noise. Examples include the Smith & Wesson Quiet Special Purpose Revolver (QSPR) and the Soviet PSS silent pistol. These firearms use a sealed system where the propellant gases are contained within the cartridge, minimizing muzzle flash and noise. The PSS, for instance, has a sound pressure level similar to a suppressed .22 rimfire pistol, making it nearly silent. The lack of visible fumes is a key feature, as the gases are retained internally.

- **Electrically Powered Firearms**: These use electromagnetic fields to propel projectiles, eliminating the need for chemical propellants and thus producing no fumes. While still in development, prototypes like railguns or coilguns could be adapted for silent operation. The silence comes from the absence of an explosive charge, and the projectile's impact could cause significant internal damage, potentially leading to external bleeding if it strikes major blood vessels.

- **Advanced Suppressors with Phase Cancellation**: Modern suppressors not only reduce the sound of the gunshot but also alter the sound profile through frequency shifting and phase cancellation. These can make the discharge nearly inaudible and reduce visible muzzle flash to almost nothing. Combined with subsonic ammunition, these systems can achieve a very low signature, ideal for covert operations.

- **Air-Powered or Pneumatic Weapons**: These use compressed air or gas to launch projectiles, producing no fumes and minimal noise if properly designed. Historical examples include silent air rifles, and modern advancements could make these more lethal and precise. The silence comes from the lack of an explosive charge, and the projectile's impact could cause the desired effect.

- **Micro-Projectile Launchers**: These could be concealed in everyday objects and use mechanical or electrical means to launch tiny, lethal projectiles. The silence and lack of fumes come from the small scale and non-explosive propulsion, but the impact could still cause significant damage, including external bleeding if designed to target vital areas.

These methods focus on achieving lethality with minimal detectable signatures, fitting the scenario of a covert attack without visible fumes. The "triangulated" aspect could involve multiple such devices or actors coordinating to ensure precision, even if not in direct line-of-sight. The blood gushing would result from the projectile's impact on major blood vessels, causing rapid external bleeding.

IMHO, In this age of AI, developments of exotic tools is rather too easy.

 

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So it might even be more accurate to say there is no "left" at all exactly (as we understand them today), but rather there were some dumb/naive people, often young and/or OP's and authoritarians who have been victims of a targeted propaganda campaign to make them unhinged, deranged, confused, and angry at all the wrong things.

But really, if you get rid of the smoke and mirrors and lift the curtain, you basically have a few brainwashed retards and a bunch of government spooks working overtime. With a sprinkle of semi-brainwashed "comrades".

I think the above are pretty awesome and accurate definitions of what the "left" is. That is how I've understood them for a while now - both in their current incarnation, as well as past ones, e.g. the Bolsheviks.

But none of it is a proper political movement or even a proper ideology. It's a fabrication with no substance, no legs, ever-changing at the whims of its non-ideological psychopathic masters.

Again, that is what the "left" has been in all its historical incarnations, IMO. It having no legs is debatable, though. It's not a "proper movement or even a proper ideology," but it is a secondary ponerogenic association.

 

[seeker2seer]

I don't think there is a "left" as is being described by so many on SM. At least, nowhere near enough of them to constitute a threat to society or to warrant the kind of apoplectic responses by the "right". This is all social engineering 101.

The history of political chaos, violence, and crises going back to the beginning of recorded history is the history of the outsized influence of small minorities.

Perhaps the Cs were alluding to the long range plans of 4D STS and their minons coming into play with current events such as we are seeing when they made this statement in 2010.

A: The gay "movement" is a CIA program incepted by 4D STS designed to set up antipathy, differences, and to identify individuals for purposes of inflicting further suffering.

A violent response against "the left" and those perceived to be on the "left" would produce further suffering desired by 4D STS.

 

[hobnob]

It's certainly your choice to accept AI garbage. There's also another choice to stop relying on AI.


Free speech is always uncomfortable.

It is not AI that is lying, but rather the Supreme Court of the US throughout the twentieth century, and their decisions, rightly and wrongly, are generally accepted as upholding the constitution: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-i/interpretations/266

There have been specific types of speech regarded as deserving legal punishment: defamation, true threats, fighting words (but not including political statements or those which allegedly "incite" third parties to violence), and misleading commercial advertising (not including political advertising).

From the above examples, it seems you're right in saying "this guy next" should not lead to legal punishment. Some of the comments were more explicit, though ("shoot [this one] next"). However, the comments can be argued to "likely" lead directly to violence or present a "clear and present danger." I'm not necessarily taking a position as to whether they should have legal consequences. I veer towards them needing some type of corrective, but I'm wary of draconian measures. Most people are all talk, in my experience, and sometimes they just have very inappropriate senses of humor. On the other hand, everyone's nuts, so I don't know.

 

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As with Netanyahu's final communications with Kirk, I believe there is probably more to this story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967348885556494408

The night before his assassination, Charlie Kirk spent an hour on Zoom with Rabbi Pesach Wolicki, planning how to “defend Israel effectively” during his American Comeback Tour.Kirk took the role of devil’s advocate, pushing back with anti-Israel arguments just to sharpen his debating points. “He was working out talking points, playing the role of devil’s advocate, trying to sharpen the iron,” Wolicki said.“He was in a combative mood, which is good. He was preparing for debates and attacks,” the rabbi added, noting how Kirk often faced hostile questions on Israel from students.Wolicki also revealed Kirk’s personal commitment to observing the Sabbath, turning off his phone every Friday night, and even writing a new book on the subject that became a bestseller.He called Kirk “unbelievably courageous” for staying pro-Israel despite pressure from many young conservatives to walk away from that position.

 

[Beau]

Since I am still 'hung up' on his security doing the killing given all the 'Cui bono' factors I asked Grok what type of 'toys' available. Evidence of the bullet can be tampered from hospital or coroner. If some body did it, all these can be easily arranged. I too find the security guys removing the camera from the tent immediately (as if it is normal procedure) is biggest suspicion ( i.e. it can be tampered rather easily).

Yeah. I know I downplayed the hand signals from his close friend on his security detail, but apparently his security team is a Jewish-owned company sooooo....

 

[gottathink]

As with Netanyahu's final communications with Kirk, I believe there is probably more to this story:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967348885556494408

Yes, much more to this story.
Yeah right, to actually prepare to defend Israel wouldn’t it be the other way around, the rabbi playing the devils advocate.

 

[aragorn]

Their assassin has apparently not yet confessed to the crime, which would be strange for someone who was on a personal, political mission to 'snuff out my enemy'. He should be gloating and proud of it, no? Using his new-found infamy to 'go full Anders Breivik' and articulate his beliefs and political manifesto?

Here's the governor of Utah:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967233031036604619

So, I guess it’s just a matter of time before he’s Lee-Harvey-Oswalded.

 

[Hesper]

LGBTQ activists and those encouraging unrestrained immigration are, I'd say, very few in number among the general population. Even less are those who murder people for disagreeing with them. If you're talking about politicians etc. who encourage such, then the people should unite and direct their anger at them, rather than falling for the bait of 'right vs left' culture (and real?) wars.

It strikes me that part of the problem is in viewing the divide between psychopathic political ideology vs normal people as being "left vs right". This leads to the condemnation of normal people as "dangerous right wingers" when they are giving what has been asked for. The truth is that out here the left has suffered negative selection for about a decade, leaving mostly personality/character disordered or otherwise pathological people as adherents.

It is possible that normal people overreact, and no doubt that's part of the plan. But to say that this ramified network is not real or not a threat when they have been indoctrinating and mutilating children / young adults, advocating murder, and carrying out the wishes of their dark overlords with glee is itself "falling into the left vs right trap" but on the side of this ratified network.

Now is it the ultimate enemy? No but it is one of its many manifestations at home, at work and in politics.

We need to separate out the average citizen and those in positions of power

But what type of power? Professors, those who groom their elementary school children, HR departments that decide if you get to have or keep a job? I think this needs more fleshing out.

 

[Cosmos]

In line with some of the speculations in this thread that there might be a broader and/or more complicated agenda at play that isn’t that obvious:

What if what has happened is part of a broader agenda that involves furthering the trend to “the right“ that we have noticed not only in America in recent years? And/or an aggravation of that part of society? Maybe, step by step, things are being arranged/pushed in that direction and the Kirk assassination is serving as one of several key elements in it? And maybe one of the ways in which this push manifests in some if not many on “the right“ is to go way too far, for example in a dogmatic fundy way and/or putting the blame squarely (in a black and white fashion) incorrectly just on one or a number of groups. The “warning“ of the C‘s comes to mind that paraphrasing, “the right has similar problems/tendencies“ and that what the Nazis did was just a dry run.