Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[seek10]

Ian carroll's take on the "bushman" behind pot and dot that disappeared (after at the shooting) top of the building. He thinks bushman is unlikely as it didn't change after the shot and too nearer to the crowd, but the dot (too small to be human head) disappeared. May be some drone type thing for monitoring or some thing more?

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[JEEP]

“That guy“ could just as well have scratched his arm because it was itching and have nothing to do with any hypothesized “detonation“.

It was strongly suggested earlier in the thread that he was merely adjusting his sleeve rather than shooting a palm pistol. And a later vid seemed to show the reaction of a bystander apparently alarmed enough by some sound to emphatically look at him!

If Charlie's security team is responsible for his assassination, than were those previously suspicious hand gestures by his team standing behind him really signals after all? They had to coordinate with the real faux shooter on the roof - did he shoot a blank? Annd - if the exploding shirt mic killed him, no bullet was involved at all! Charlie's eardrum may have ruptured explaining the sight of blood in his right ear. His necklace broke and flew up, also to the right, back side as captured in some vids. The mic would have caused an entrance wound that has not been reported, but then, nothing has been officially reported in regards to medical examiner findings. Not surprising if this was a thoroughly planned assassination by the usual suspects. And yes, still no clear footage from campus cameras has been released. How suspect is that!

It has been mentioned before about the purpose of the attached T-shirt mic being for personal recording for Charlie's later use - attached with a magnet and with a battery pack for power. I know I heard or read more about that mic throughout this whole investigation of what happened, but those details are lost to me now.

So, either the brown shirt guy detonated the mic battery pack to kill Charlie or the real roof shooter used a "smart" bullet to make the kill shot. Orrr . . . we still don't know what really happened.

ADDED: From the info that's been provided more or less, there didn't seem to be sufficient time for Tyler to make the shot and then exit the roof - it all happened too fast. And as has been said, he was filmed running before the crowd fully reacted to the gunshot. So, I'm very doubtful he made the shot, either real bullet or blank.

 

[Moine]

Furthermore the assassination scene of Charles Kirkland where he is hit in the neck in the movie was filmed in Trump's Taj Mahal building in Atlantic city in the late 1990s. And the movie name itself ("Snake Eyes") is kind of symbolic of who is ultimately in charge.

If 4D STS can travel back and forth in time, as the C's have said, then inspiration from 4D STS for "prophetic" works of art in the past could be a part of it. Though for what purpose?

Two 1's gotten in a game of basic dice is basically a "losing" roll, or an unfortunate result when one gambles with wishful outcomes. That is of course, if the bet for a result isn't made before the roll, and you're just rolling for the highest number. Such that, you can bake your dice in a microwave, and basically have them "loaded", so that you'll be getting the outcome that you want, lest the opposing parties aren't aware of any tricks of the game.

Beyond the plot of that film, Snake Eyes, being rather suspicious, with lots of fingerprints and agendas being included in it, ahead of time ... there is kinda a bit of foreshadowing that was unfortunately excluded from the production, but included in trivia for posterity.

Snake Eyes' original ending involved a huge tidal wave going through the casino. This visual effects-heavy ending was cut and replaced with a reshot sequence in post-production, but numerous references to it still remain in the final film. A shot near the end of the film shows an ambulance driving down an oceanside road with a wave about to crash into it before the film cuts to another shot, Rick Santoro talks about almost drowning at the very end of the film, and references to a storm are made throughout the entire film, which were all meant to build up to the cut climax.

I'm pretty sure that we all know that the current PTB's aspirant schemes of an American renewal are pretty much going to be dashed. Then again, replacing 3D STS systems is just another tool in the 4D STS toolkit. "Do what we tell you to do, and maybe, just maybe, you'll win the game?"

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Given what happened in Butler and almost 2 weeks of this or that theory being proposed for Kirk’s assassination while so far there doesn’t seem to be any really hot/provable theory for a second shooter being the real shooter, it might me that Tyler indeed shot Kirk more or less from the position given? If so, there are still quite a number of details that make this shot apparently pretty strange. So maybe similar to Butler a hidden hand was at play that did something quite otherworldly to the bullet and/or something else on that day?

It makes you think, doesn't it? Lol .... 4D STS technology, and it's conveniently smeared over with 3D STS thinking, narratives, agendas, "who dun it", and making you look in every single direction, aside from the one that can matter more than anything else. My money is on your idea.

 

[Ricardo]

Years ago Ms. Catherine A. Fitts stated that when asking some contact of hers , about invisible man Tech. she was told that yes "they" had it this is over 10 yrs ago iirc , as somewhat confirming this there was at least one youtube vid. that showed some US military person decloaking in Iraq , considering this hit likely a consortium driven one , those types of Tech may be involved , further complicating an analysis of what happened . Is it possible to get infra-red spectrum post recording of the modern Cell-phone cameras ? irregularities usually show on that spectrum when shenanigans are afoot.

 

[Joe]

Ian carroll's take on the "bushman" behind pot and dot that disappeared (after at the shooting) top of the building. He thinks bushman is unlikely as it didn't change after the shot and too nearer to the crowd, but the dot (too small to be human head) disappeared. May be some drone type thing for monitoring or some thing more?

If you look at that building on google maps, there are a few pipes on the roof. Not saying for sure that's what the "bloop" on the roof is, but it could be, and the reason it appears and then disappears could be due to the slight change in angle or position of the camera. Although it is kind of coincidental that that happens right after the shooting. The again if the camera guy was gonna change his position, it was gonna be right after the shot was heard.

 

[Joe]

For YouTube audience/recording/audio, maybe?

That's what's been suggested.

how about none of the above ? how about two planes flew into steel and concrete reinforced buildings like a hot knife thru butter.

get the picture yet ?

and if you haven't got the picture yet, ask yourself why Tucker, Brand, Owens, and all the other "good guys" all wear a thin red string around their wrists.

"Time dome" place over the area! But Kabbalah???

So maybe similar to Butler a hidden hand was at play that did something quite otherworldly to the bullet and/or something else on that day?

A while ago I was joking to @Andromeda that since there allegedly was "divine intervention" to move Trump's head at the precise moment the bullet would have hit him - which is pretty mind-boggling to pull off it you think about it - then maybe some similar mind-boggling maneuver was used for Kirk, where time was stopped or slowed way down and someone adjusted the trajectory of the bullet in real time, kind of like Neo in the Matrix!

 

[JEEP]

did something quite otherworldly to the bullet

those types of Tech may be involved

I'm inclined to rule out "otherworldly", maybe. We know "smart" bullet technology exists and as @Ricardo has pointed out, other high Tech including possible cloaking also exists. And how about a time lock as used on 911? Since we're likely dealing with 3D/4D STS operatives, we could be observing just ourworldly Tech being employed . . . or not.

maybe some similar mind-boggling maneuver was used for Kirk, where time was stopped or slowed way down and someone adjusted the trajectory of the bullet in real time, kind of like Neo in the Matrix!

There was posted discussion about plane MH370 that disappeared as a "warning", and the reaction was to shoot down MH17 as an "up yours" response. Maybe a time lock was used as a similar "up yours" response to the divine intervention of Trump moving his head thus thwarting his killing?

 

[bianca etezete]

This guy hadn't done very much research on gunshots. The "two sounds" are the the sound of the bullet passing close to the microphone (sonic boom shock wave, which sounds like a crack), and the sound of the bullet leaving the rifle (which sounds like a boom). They are around 0.2 seconds apart from each other because it took about 0.2 seconds for the sound from the rifle to reach the location of the microphone. See this paper, for example, which explains the basics.

He compares to a .30-06 recording where you hear a "clean shot", followed some seconds later by the sound of the bullet hitting a metal target. Without seeing the video from which that recording is taken, it's probably the case that it was recorded from the location of the rifle. In that case, you only hear the muzzle explosion, not the sonic "crack", which is only audible if the microphone is somewhere along the actual path of the bullet in front of the rifle.

i tried to read the eleven pages, to be honest, I do not know enough about it, to understand it fully. But what I understood is that there was an incident in the West Bank, where someone was shot and in this paper there are sound waves of shot rows to be seen.... I do not see anything similar to what Lookoutfacharlie showed. He says in this very video, that he had listened to more than 170 of those shots with this caliber, and he is a sound specialist, does that for years ans years. So can you explain me, what that second sound is, if its not found in any other "shot sound wave image or sound" (I am german, I know it sounds clumsy)? Or what did I or he get wrong?
The sound he analyzes is from the ground, not from the shooters place. I really do not get your point here, I am sorry...

 

[Benjamin]

ATF says the Mauser is a .30-06 model possibly from WWI era because of no serial number. But there are many versions of this gun that use the Mauser 98 action.

I asked Grok what calibres the 98 come in.

The Mauser 98, commonly known as the Gewehr 98, was originally designed as a military rifle chambered in 7.92×57mm Mauser caliber. In its sporter style, which typically refers to modified or civilian sporting variants based on the Model 98 action, the most prevalent caliber remains 7.92×57mm Mauser, often referred to as 8mm Mauser. However, sporterized versions may be rechambered or produced in a range of other calibers to suit hunting or target shooting purposes, including but not limited to 6.5×54mm, 7×57mm, 8×51mm, 8×60mm, 9×57mm, .22-250, and .338 Winchester Magnum. The specific caliber of any individual rifle should be verified through markings on the barrel or chamber, or by consulting a qualified gunsmith, as modifications can vary widely.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

i tried to read the eleven pages, to be honest, I do not know enough about it, to understand it fully. But what I understood is that there was an incident in the West Bank, where someone was shot and in this paper there are sound waves of shot rows to be seen.... I do not see anything similar to what Lookoutfacharlie showed.

The main points are on pages 2 to 3. They describe the audio signatures of gunfire. These include:

1) the muzzle blast:

A conventional firearm uses a confined combustion of gunpowder to propel the bullet out of the gun barrel. The hot, expanding gases rapidly pressurize the chamber behind the bullet. The pressure accelerates the bullet down the gun barrel and out the muzzle, accompanied by the jet of combustion gas emitted from the muzzle, the muzzle blast. The muzzle blast sound propagates in all directions, but much of the acoustic energy is expelled in the general direction the gun barrel is pointing. The muzzle blast comprises an acoustic shock wave and a brief, chaotic sound lasting only a few milliseconds [5-7].The muzzle blast sound propagates through the air at the speed of sound (e.g., 343 m/s at 20°C), and like any sound, the acoustic waves interact with the surrounding ground surface, obstacles, temperature and wind gradients in the air, spherical spreading, and atmospheric absorption. A recording microphone located at some distance from the firearm will receive the muzzle blast sound accompanied by multi-path reflections and reverberation. If the direct sound path from the firearm to the microphone is obscured by terrain, buildings, or other obstructions, the received muzzle blast consists only of diffracted and reflected sound [5, 8-10].

2) the shock wave phenomenon:

An object traveling through the air at a rate faster than the local speed of sound creates a ballistic shockwave. Once launched, the shock wave itself moves through the air at the speed of sound. A supersonic projectile that travels through the air creates a shockwave cone that trails behind the bullet’s path [5, 7, 8]. ...

A microphone located near the trajectory of a supersonic bullet will detect the shock wave immediately after the bullet passes by. The time of arrival of the shock wave at the microphone depends on the distance of the microphone from the bullet’s path and the Mach number of the bullet. [In other words, the closer the microphone to the bullet, the quicker it will pick up the sound.]

3) relative timing of shock wave and muzzle blast:

When a firearm shoots a supersonic bullet, the bullet’s ballistic shock wave emanates from the bullet’s path as the bullet travels down range faster than the speed of sound, while the muzzle blast of the gun propagates at the speed of sound. This means that the sound of the ballistic shock wave will precede the sound of the muzzle blast at points down range near the bullet’s path.

The paper then presents a case study on how these facts can be used in a forensic investigation to estimate the approximate distance a rifle was fired from a camera that picks up both the ballistic shock wave and the muzzle blast. In the example from the West Bank, the audio shows the initial sound of the shock wave followed by the muzzle blast approx. 310 ms later, as well as what look like some reverberations or echoes.

He says in this very video, that he had listened to more than 170 of those shots with this caliber, and he is a sound specialist, does that for years ans years.

The vast majority of recordings of gunshots, e.g. on YouTube, are recordings taken from close to the rifle, either to the side or behind it. Recording from that location will not pick up the ballistic shock wave. To get that on audio, the camera/microphone needs to be in the path of the bullet, in front of the rifle, and not behind the target. This guy doesn't seem to be aware of that.

So can you explain me, what that second sound is, if its not found in any other "shot sound wave image or sound" (I am german, I know it sounds clumsy)? Or what did I or he get wrong?

The first sound is the ballistic shock wave, which reaches the camera almost instantly as the bullet passes next to, or above, the camera faster than the speed of sound. The second sound is the muzzle blast, which travels much slower, at the speed of sound. The two sounds are the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier, and the sound of the explosion from within the rifle when the bullet is fired. The reason there are two sounds is that they have two different sources, separated in time. It takes a fraction of a second for the sound of the muzzle blast to "catch up" to the bullet.

The sound he analyzes is from the ground, not from the shooters place. I really do not get your point here, I am sorry...

Yes, that is why the recording picks up both the shock wave and the muzzle blast. In the example of a .30-06 that he uses as a comparison, there is only one sound, the muzzle blast, because whoever recorded that sound was probably recording from very close to the shooter's position, not in the path of the bullet. If he had used a recording of a .30-06 where the camera was located somewhere along the path of the bullet, he would see 2 sounds: the shock wave and the muzzle blast.

 

[bianca etezete]

The main points are on pages 2 to 3. They describe the audio signatures of gunfire. These include:

1) the muzzle blast:

2) the shock wave phenomenon:

3) relative timing of shock wave and muzzle blast:

The paper then presents a case study on how these facts can be used in a forensic investigation to estimate the approximate distance a rifle was fired from a camera that picks up both the ballistic shock wave and the muzzle blast. In the example from the West Bank, the audio shows the initial sound of the shock wave followed by the muzzle blast approx. 310 ms later, as well as what look like some reverberations or echoes.

The vast majority of recordings of gunshots, e.g. on YouTube, are recordings taken from close to the rifle, either to the side or behind it. Recording from that location will not pick up the ballistic shock wave. To get that on audio, the camera/microphone needs to be in the path of the bullet, in front of the rifle, and not behind the target. This guy doesn't seem to be aware of that.

The first sound is the ballistic shock wave, which reaches the camera almost instantly as the bullet passes next to, or above, the camera faster than the speed of sound. The second sound is the muzzle blast, which travels much slower, at the speed of sound. The two sounds are the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier, and the sound of the explosion from within the rifle when the bullet is fired. The reason there are two sounds is that they have two different sources, separated in time. It takes a fraction of a second for the sound of the muzzle blast to "catch up" to the bullet.

Yes, that is why the recording picks up both the shock wave and the muzzle blast. In the example of a .30-06 that he uses as a comparison, there is only one sound, the muzzle blast, because whoever recorded that sound was probably recording from very close to the shooter's position, not in the path of the bullet. If he had used a recording of a .30-06 where the camera was located somewhere along the path of the bullet, he would see 2 sounds: the shock wave and the muzzle blast.

ok, i read you, but still: why is it something we hear that was never before recorded for one shot? or seen as a sound wave? you say: "The reason there are two sounds is that they have two different sources, separated in time." but does that not implicate that THERE ARE two different sources? never before seen sound wave. Or show me a similar one. I dont know. I am asking.

 

[Ricardo]

One gun as source = gunpowder initial detonation IE muzzleblast (sound a) + shockwave of supersonic bullet ( sound b ) .

 

[bianca etezete]

One gun as source = gunpowder initial detonation IE muzzleblast (sound a) + shockwave of supersonic bullet ( sound b ) .

why never noticed as sound wave before?

 

[Ricardo]

Skimming through what @Approaching Infinity posted , triangulation ain't nothing new , only a matter of math and it's complexity, and in that case as argued by @Approaching Infinity this is also dependent of fidelity and precision of measurements.

why never noticed as sound wave before?

I'm sure US military and others have long lists of documents on all things ballistics related , maybe some are not public though. fwiw / blah

 

[Approaching Infinity]

ok, i read you, but still: why is it something we hear that was never before recorded for one shot? or seen as a sound wave?

It isn't something never recorded before. It's been recorded countless times. It's a known physical phenomenon. It's just not nearly as common in recordings you'll find only for the simple reason already mentioned: because most people don't record bullets flying very close to them. There are examples right there in the paper. You can find the recording of that shooting online to verify for yourself.

you say: "The reason there are two sounds is that they have two different sources, separated in time." but does that not implicate that THERE ARE two different sources?

I suppose it is possible, just extremely unlikely. The sound is a typical "crack boom". It would be very difficult to "spoof" that signature by, for example, firing a supersonic round from a distance using a suppressor to lower the decibels of the muzzle blast, and then fire another rifle at subsonic speed, so that its shock wave is not captured on any recordings, and to time the two so that the the shock wave registers on all cameras just before the muzzle blast does, thus spoofing the signature of a typical crack-boom.

never before seen sound wave.

Just because this guy says it's never been seen before, doesn't make it so.

Or show me a similar one. I dont know. I am asking.

It was the same thing in Butler. If you download all the recordings from then and look at their waveforms, you'll see shock waves followed by muzzle flashes, and plenty of distinct echoes.