Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[gottathink]

Muddy the waters?! How about to totally eradicate the idea that an exploding mic took Charlie out! And gee, who is well identified with exploding devices? He was shot from the back! He was shot from the back! His security team rushed in to valiantly save his life! Do not question the obvious!

Yeah - don't think the public's buying it. Redacted is increasingly losing credibility with me as they do aid in the muddying of the water.

People can be right about some things and easily end up off track on others. Again, networking is key for everyone’s sanity.

 

[Moine]

In Candace's last video, she again referenced AZOV and oddities that might be associated. She indicated more on the subject would be presented next week, so she's apparently not scared off.

A little review on the Hebrew word AZOV reveals direct metaphorical connections to the CK affair, and Ukraine. This is not in anyway a diminishing force on the other forms of evidence of the relationship. Do note, the lambs of scripture, are replaced by men in reality.

Hebrew Word Study – Abandon – Ya’zov – יַעֲזֹ֤ב Yod Ayin Zayin Beth

Isaiah 55:7: “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”

We are told to forsake out wicked ways. Therein lies our problem of theology, how can we forsake our wicked ways if we are just too depraved to even recognize our own wickedness and do we really have the ability to forsake our wickedness even if we do recognize it. Perhaps this verse is not really addressing that issue at all but something else.

Let’s examine this word forsake. Of course we all know it means stop doing wicked stuff. Forsake in Hebrew is ya’zov from the root word ‘azov. Yet, there is a school of thought that would suggest the root could be ‘azol l which is the same root that you get the word for the scape goat or the azezel. The scapegoat was the fall guy during the Day of Atonement when the high priest offered the sacrifice of a bull for his own sins and then took two goats to the door of the temple to deal with the sins of the nation. By lottery one goat was chosen, called the Lords Goat and offered as a sacrifice whose blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat in the Holy of Holies. This was to deal with the forgiveness of sins, the atonement for sins. The other goat was set free to wander off into the wilderness as an outcast. Although I did read in the Talmud where this goat was thrown off a cliff. This was the azezel he was the scape goat who was to deal with the guilt we feel for our sins. Being thrown off a cliff would fit the metaphor as guilt will lead us to destruction. In other words even when God forgives our sins, we could still live with regret. That was the purpose of the azezel or Scape Goat. As Christians, we see that Jesus not only was the Lord’s Goat who sacrificed Himself for our sins, but He was also our Scape Goat who took the burden of our sin, our feelings of guilt, remorse and shame and sent them out into the wilderness to be an outcast, to never be seen again or thrown off a cliff to bring this guilt to an end.

So when Isaiah tells the wicked to forsake their way, he is telling them to take all their wicked ways and place them upon the Redeemer who will not only make atonement for their wickedness, but will also remove the guilt that comes with it.

My grandfather once told me a family secret about my great, great grandfather who killed a man. The Revenuer had come to take over grandpa’s farm. Grandpa met him at the door with his shot gun and said: “You come on my land, I’m a shottin.” The Revenuer replied: “This is my land and I’m a comin.” Grandpa said: “Well, I’m a shottin.” And he came and Grandpa shot the Revenuer in the heart, shot him dead. Grandpa turned himself over to the sheriff who hated the Revenuer and he and his deputy went up and buried the Revenuer and told the U.S. Marshall, who hated the Revenuer more than the Sheriff that he died of a heart attack. They just didn’t say it was buck shot that attacked his heart. My Great Grandpa was never arrested for this crime.

When Grandpa told this story he was very clear to say: “Your Great Grandpa was never free, he prayed every day that God would forgive him for killing that man but went to his grave feeling God never forgave him.”

Many times we as Christians make the same mistake my great, great grandfather made. We forget there is the Lord’s Goat and the Scape Goat. Sometimes we do not completely forsake, abandon or desert (azov or azel) our wicked ways. We may accept the sacrifice of the Lord’s Goat but if we spend our lives living in the guilt of our sins we have not accepted the azezel or the work that Jesus did as a scape goat, by also taking the guilt and shame of our sins and sending them away into the wilderness or over a cliff. Sometimes we as Christians will not accept the azezel of others who truly repent and receive the Lord’s Goat. We keep searching for the azezel and keep hanging the past sins of that person over his head. Sometimes we have to let God send that Scape Goat into the wilderness or over a cliff and also forgive. The Jewish Targum and the Book of Enoch mentions a fallen angel or demon named Azezel. That demon of guilt has been banished, let him remain banished.

 

[Beau]

I wish we could move on from this dismissal of George Webb.

Why do you interpret Arwenn saying to be careful of him as a dismissal? We should be careful of everything we read, but doubly so for someone who has shown to be less reliable in the past.

 

[Moine]

EDIT -- (apparently I still can't edit)

The scapegoat was the fall guy during the Day of Atonement when the high priest offered the sacrifice of a bull for his own sins and then took two goats to the door of the temple to deal with the sins of the nation.

I meant to include a reference to the Taurobolium of Roman state religion.

In the taurobolium ritual, the highpriest would stand in a pit. A bull would be led onto a platform above the pit and sacrificed by cutting its throat. The blood of the bull would pour down onto the priest, showering him in the blood. Afterward, the bull's testicles were removed and taken to the sanctuary as an offering. This ritual was performed as a replacement for the castration of high priests because the castration of Roman citizens was forbidden.

A bull was ritually sacrificed for the purpose of not only for the welfare of the state itself, but it was also conferring a purification or regeneration of an individual in particular, who was honored by the ceremony.

The taurobolium in the second and third centuries was usually performed as a measure for the welfare (salus) of the emperor, Empire, or community; H. Oppermann denies early reports that its date was frequently 24 March, the Dies Sanguinis ("Day of Blood") of the annual festival of the Great Mother Cybele and Attis; Oppermann reports that there were no taurobolia in late March. In the late third and the fourth centuries its usual motive was the purification or regeneration of an individual, who was spoken of as renatus in aeternum, "reborn for eternity", in consequence of the ceremony. While its efficacy was not eternal, its effect was considered to endure for twenty years, as if the magic coating of the blood wore off after that time, the initiate having taken his vows for "the circle of twenty years" (bis deni orbis). It was also performed as the fulfilment of a vow (votum), or by command of the goddess herself, and the privilege was not limited by sex or class. In its fourth-century revival in high pagan circles, Rutter has observed, "We might even justifiably say that the taurobolium, rather than a rite effectual in itself was a symbol of paganism. It was a rite apparently forbidden by the Christian emperors and thus became a hallmark of the pagan nobility in their final struggle against Christianity and the Christian emperors." The place of its performance at Rome was near the site of St Peter's, in the excavations of which several altars and inscriptions commemorative of taurobolia were discovered.

A criobolium, substituting a ram for the bull, was also practiced, sometimes together with the taurobolium.

Regeneration in this sense can mean not only a restoration of their bodies, but also of their spirits, and hence you get the whole eternal life thing, as denoted in the idea of a Kingdom of Heaven.

Going further back, this hits upon Cybelle or Magna Mater as the Romans new that deity, which proffers a mother goddess, or nature herself. This is not mentioning that the Vatican is undergoing efforts to "green" itself thoroughly. Round and round the carousel we go.

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