Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

None of us have enough technical knowledge to know how to make such a device that would operate in the way observed, but there does seem to be evidence that it is likely possible, with enough know-how.

That is a good point to remember. In pretty much any field people that are not working in those fields and have a hands on experience and knowledge about any given subject will naturally have a hard time making sense of things because they have to work on limited data and information sets.

There are many things in life and in any field that outsiders of a given area/subject can’t understand or even imagine to exist or be possible. What adds to that effect is for example unique inventions and ways to handle and approach something that can make things appear impossible from the outside.

Many good examples of that dynamic can for example be found in the area of ordinary magic tricks where actually 100% nothing paranormal is going on, but for outsiders it very much appears that way as long as they do not know the secrets on how the magician creates that illusion. In that field that phenomena is so striking and extreme that EVEN the most knowledgeable magicians and experts in world who know any trick under the sun, can’t figure it out in any way, shape or fashion, and it appears even to them completely impossible. Usually only the person that invented the trick knows how it is done and that it is 100% not paranormal. So, generally speaking, if any person doesn’t know the secret or way any given other person operates or creates a thing, it remains a mystery to the uninitiated. What you don’t know you generally can hardly imagine to be possible/exist and cause a given subject to appear to work in this or that “impossible way“.
 
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Miracle said:
It's incredible. I cannot believe all of this is on Youtube still.

Yes, it is. I've been thinking about this as well. Why is Candace allowed to speak her mind with all the heavy censorship that has happened there in the past with truthtellers. There have been changes recently made apparently its said.
This is a bit off topic but it's good news I want to share. Many of the people that where kicked off youtube have gotten their channels back in the last few days much to their surprise! Freedom of speech is on the rise!
 
So naturally you would expect quite a number of people present who have guns and might have some military and/or law enforcement background (and even just regular folk) to get out their guns to protect not only themselves but the people around from a clear threat somewhere that is shooting at people.
Excellent point and it's come out repeatedly how armed citizens have stopped or prevented shooting incidents - a fact that the PTB do everything they can to obscure. Don't know about UVU, but most educational institutions are posted gun-free zones (insane), but I could see that being ignored at this event and don't know if UVU was taking any measures to ensure no guns on campus. Candace did say that military types might be involved (as perps or otherwise?), so likely there were armed men in attendance.

Funnily enough, you posted something back on 17th Sept which could show the "controller". I mean it looks bad.... AND this guy is part of Charlie's security, isn't he?
That was the idea that he had a palm pistol, but that notion was debunked. Still suspicion that he was part of the team that coordinated and possibly set off rifle shot/mic explosion with a device hidden in his sleeve.

Meanwhile, Tyler's case doesn't appear to be getting much press and his furry friend, Lance Twiggs, has apparently gone into hiding.
Law enforcement officials confirmed that Twiggs has been moved to a “safe space very far away from St. George” for his protection. Authorities say he “needs to lay low for a long time,” given the intense public scrutiny and backlash surrounding the case.

Sources close to the investigation told Fox News Digital that Twiggs may have temporarily relocated outside Utah under police advice. Investigators continue to treat him as a “protected witness,” with plans to recall him for testimony once the trial reaches the witness phase.

The latest (Oct. 10) is that Tyler was not shown on camera during his most recent hearing, and is requesting street clothes in lieu of shackles and jail clothes for upcoming court appearances.
His attorneys argued that their requests were “necessary to maintain the presumption of innocence, to protect Mr. Robinson’s rights to a fair and impartial trial, and to maintain courtroom decorum and dignity,” according to a motion they filed Thursday in Utah’s 4th District Court.

“In the modern age of ubiquitous internet access and unrelenting media attention to high-profile criminal cases,” the attorneys wrote, “the prejudicial effect of a criminal defendant appearing in shackles, jail attire, and bullet-proof or suicide vests at any hearing threatens fundamental fairness.”

Robinson remains at the Utah County jail, where he’s been held since he was booked Sept. 12. He has been barred from posting bond.

Meanwhile FoxNews has this vid posted in addition to Tyler's attorneys' latest motion:

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Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk on a Utah college campus a month ago today, has asked a judge for permission to wear civilian clothes in court and to appear without shackles and cuffs.

In a 21-page motion, the 22-year-old Robinson's attorneys invoked Idaho student murderer Bryan Kohberger's case in their argument that the motion would preserve his constitutional rights to a fair trial. They also asked for a closed-door hearing on the issue of physical restraints.

"In the face of worldwide scrutiny, permitting Mr. Robinson to wear civilian clothing for court appearances is a minor inconvenience compared to the already present concerns with securing a fair trial before an impartial jury," his lawyers wrote to Judge Tony Graf.

They argued that "the repeated and ubiquitous display" of photos showing their client in a jail jumpsuit "will inevitably lead to prospective juror perception that he is guilty and deserving of death."

This pic in the Fox article shows the killer mic had not yet been attached to Charlie's shirt:

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Charlie Kirk speaks at Utah Valley University Sept. 10, 2025, in Orem, Utah. Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, was speaking at his "American Comeback Tour" when he was shot in the neck and killed. (Trent Nelson/The Salt Lake Tribune/Getty Images)
 
Meanwhile, right on cue, Netanyahu's getting an image make-over from Trump, right when Israel's in the cross-hairs of suspicion regarding Charlie Kirk's assassination. The whole (official) world is a disgusting "Truman Show" :curse:

 
More evidence that Jason Goodman is a nasty piece of work:
Indeed, pretty unhinged.
Maybe there are some youtube videos with people experimenting with explosives to understand the physics of it? Maybe that would be worth searching and viewing. If anything looks interesting, bring it back here and post it.

The question:
1. A shaped charge is an explosive device designed to focus the energy of an explosion into a narrow jet, allowing it to penetrate armour, concrete, or other tough materials. This effect is achieved by forming the explosive in a specific shape, usually conical or hemispherical, with a metal liner inside.

Metal liners make a difference, and gold has been cited as often the best (although not used for expense reasons); copper, tungsten are used.

Have a look here (2:00 min) and scale way down into fractions. One looks to a 'low' order protocol vs. high order. It is the jet that penetrants:

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Explosives of this type are about containment that direct force. Even in a primitive way, simply duct taping danger trees with a charge/booster directs the force into the tree to break it, and that is not focused direct.

These guys below are a little dramatic with their models and methods, and the product is not right, yet again, scale way down and look at the 14 min mark example and eliminate the steel.

 
Metal liners make a difference, and gold has been cited as often the best (although not used for expense reasons); copper, tungsten are used.

Have a look here (2:00 min) and scale way down into fractions. One looks to a 'low' order protocol vs. high order. It is the jet that penetrants:

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Explosives of this type are about containment that direct force. Even in a primitive way, simply duct taping danger trees with a charge/booster directs the force into the tree to break it, and that is not focused direct.

These guys below are a little dramatic with their models and methods, and the product is not right, yet again, scale way down and look at the 14 min mark example and eliminate the steel.

The main question for me is: what is the minimum amount of energy necessary to produce the effects seen in Charlie's body? It's not just a matter of penetrating the body like a 9mm bullet (which Grok estimates to be about 200 joules - easily produced by a 1-2 cm shaped charge), but also the impact effects seen. In the opinion of a guy like Gary Melton at Paramount Tactical, he thinks that it looks like Charlie got hit by something as powerful as a .30-06 based on the way his chest caves, his face/neck deforms, etc. That's why he thinks he was wearing body armor - because the neck wound without an exit wound is not consistent with that amount of force.

So two related questions would be: Can that amount of energy be produced by a charge small enough to fit in the mic casing? And what is the maximum amount of energy that can be produced by a shaped charge of that size? Those questions might not be answerable for us if such a device used advanced technology for which there is no real precedent. But we might at least be able to get an idea if it is possible based on what is currently known about shaped charges.
 
Can that amount of energy be produced by a charge small enough to fit in the mic casing?
I found these on YouTube looking for super small shaped charges.
Shaped charged using bullet (sized) casings.

So I imagine these would be small enough to fit in the mic casing.
You’ll also notice that the explosion produces no flames or flashes, and the puff of smoke appears to match that of what can be seen on one frame next to Charlie’s neck.

The last part of the video shows the hole it punched in the steel plate.

Now - if you encased these in a tube that contained the explosive force, and that force could only exit the two ends of the tube, then it’s likely you’d see the results we do with his shirt - with a much smaller amount of high explosive. This would also likely include the mic pack moving towards the wound, propelled by the force expelled from the end of the tube not firing the projectile part.
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Couple of things was thinking on. Had a review of Prouty's Secrete Teams - below it is a condensed interview version of what many are familiar with. It was a good reminder when he discusses the mechanism phases of assassination. The patsy, who one needs to forget as that is the obvious distraction (with planted so-called evidence salted around as part of the cover story, and than the teams. Generally, one team is the triangulation of guns - of gunmen, but the big story is in the aftermath coordination; who did what, said what, or appeared to do nothing obvious. This is the Achilles heel that gets noticed, and in Charlie's case, there were/are things to notice.


(Joe) So the device that was the manipulated mic on Charlie's shirt, it contained a small amount of explosives like C4?

A: Yes

The setup appears to be a shot (distraction) from Charlie's center to left side, that corresponds with the exit wound trauma on his neck, slightly left. As has been revealed here by the C's, the entry wound (not seen) traveled across from the right, below the shirt line, from the mic.

The distractions were immediatly put in play and the clean-up phase started.

Q: (Niall) And it was placed on him by a member of his security detail.

A: Yes

Had initially thought that Candace had said something about the person who affixed the mic on Charlie; a friend or someone she knows, was that it can be seen to correspond with the left side trauma, and to get that, the mic had to be angled/aimed? If affixing a mic, why not align it vertically? Would that be natural? Is the mic directed to be aimed that way as part of the mic pickup instruction? On Charlie, it was affixed at angle to the upper left. This could be a coincidence, or the manufactures directions, or it would not have mattered if the outcome had not been exactly what was seen. I don't know. However, being that the mic was affixed by a security detail person, Prouty had me thinking about it from what he had said, being part of a team.

Q: (Joe) And the people who made this, did they test it on someone beforehand?

A: Dummies.

The main question for me is: what is the minimum amount of energy necessary to produce the effects seen in Charlie's body? It's not just a matter of penetrating the body like a 9mm bullet (which Grok estimates to be about 200 joules - easily produced by a 1-2 cm shaped charge), but also the impact effects seen. In the opinion of a guy like Gary Melton at Paramount Tactical, he thinks that it looks like Charlie got hit by something as powerful as a .30-06 based on the way his chest caves, his face/neck deforms, etc. That's why he thinks he was wearing body armor - because the neck wound without an exit wound is not consistent with that amount of force.

So two related questions would be: Can that amount of energy be produced by a charge small enough to fit in the mic casing? And what is the maximum amount of energy that can be produced by a shaped charge of that size? Those questions might not be answerable for us if such a device used advanced technology for which there is no real precedent. But we might at least be able to get an idea if it is possible based on what is currently known about shaped charges.

My first thought regarding your main question - tied to the second and third question, might be that perhaps it depends on the arrangement of some of the variables. The assembly of whatever it was, needed to be mathematically down scaled and miniaturized to fit in a mic, and to mimic the ability to penetrate in terms of physics (assume this was done from a portion of the battery), and it would need focused direction. Perhaps the design template was mapped out mathematically using matching physics, 3d printed and copied using the right liner material and diameter, and enough c4 grains to fire either a jet of force, or a physical projectile, like a very small metal cap or EFP. It might really be smaller than a ladyfinger for those of you who fired them off as a kid, but without powder fuse, it needed an electronic initiator and direction.

Q: (Joe) And the automatic remote firing system for the rifle that fired the gunshot was in that general area where that kind of roof was, I suppose?

A: Yes


See EFP here and Does Size Matter? | Explosive Shaped Charge Comparison (this guy is pretty good):



Here is a paper Effect of tungsten contents on the jet penetration performance of shaped charge liner based copper Tungsten composites that may provide the math and physics. In one figure, H11 explosive was used, although its aim is on W-Cu composite liners.

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Approaching Infinity, I don't know how small it can be brought down and still do what it did. Just could not find anything.

A: The explosion created a limited shock wave that was shaped and contained by the t-shirt itself allowing the shock to travel around his shoulders and torso.

Came across another paper on Understanding blast-induced neurotrauma: how far have we come?

This was weird to read, that they experimented with all this on all sorts of animals, yet points come up focused on blast waves and physical trauma of what happens in parts of the body. Note, this is not immediate death as was the case with Charlie, it is blast trauma.

There seems, no doubt, that there was a blast wave of some type as the forced jet/object entered Charlie from lower right to exit higher left. Here is what it says, and keep in mind this is exposure to a pressure wave, and in Charlie's case, it was small ("contained in the t-shirt"), yet directly against the body and than in the body if what happened had happened. This may help to explain the mass initial release of blood upon exit with propagation, and what the body was immediatly doing (severing the carotid artery is obviously part of it). This would also be by degree, yet by what happened, there was a shock wave inside Charlie's body:

Pathobiology

After the shock wave interacts with the body and head, a pressure wave passes through the body and head inducing complex response mechanisms, which can be divided into four main groups: primary tissue damage of the brain parenchyma caused by stretch, strain and/or rupture of parenchyma and blood vessels; changes triggered by the ANS; consequences of increased vascular load; and effects of locally synthesized and released mediators modulators (so-called ‘autacoids’) and/or immune system activation.

Primary tissue damage​

The propagation of the pressure wave, induced by the shock wave–body/head interaction, causes a relative motion of tissue components that may tear the interfaces between parenchyma, blood vessels, fluid/blood and air. In lungs, alveolar rupture, thinning of alveolar septae, circumscribed subpleural, intra-alveolar and perivascular hemorrhages have been seen to develop as direct consequences of the shock wave induced primary tissue damage [76,77].

In the brain, the rupture of the bridging veins leads to the development of subarachnoid hemorrhage (SAH) [78] and the tear of the parenchymal blood vessels to the intracerebral hematomas [60,79]. Microhemorrhages, mainly localized in subcortical regions of frontal, parietal and temporal lobes, have been seen in the brain of individuals exposed to blast [80,81]. A traumatic cerebral vasospasm with distinct temporal profile has been described in patients after blast exposure: it can develop early, often within 48 h of injury and can also present later, typically 10 or more days after initial injury [82]. Usually, traumatic cerebral vasospasm is mainly stimulated by SAH. Nevertheless, a recent experimental study implied that SAH is not necessary for shock wave induced vasospasm [83]. It has been suggested that the propagation of the shock wave through the vasculature represents a single rapid mechanical insult to the blood vessels’ lining (endothelium and vascular smooth muscle); it induces hypercontractility and remodeling, indicative of vasospasm initiation [84,85].
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Response mechanisms triggered by the ANS​

The pressure wave’s propagation through the body increases the pressure inside organs [30]. In the lungs, such a pressure increase causes instantaneous pulmonary hyperinflation and stretches the alveolar walls [47,94]. This, in turn, stimulates the juxtacapillary J-receptors located in the alveolar interstitium and innervated by vagal fibers [95]. The subsequent vago–vagal reflex causes rapid shallow breathing, bradycardia and hypotension, which all are frequently experienced symptoms immediately after blast exposure. In addition, pressure receptors in the wall and trabeculae of the underfilled left ventricle may activate the C-fiber afferent nerves resulting in paradoxical bradycardia, which in turn decreases the contractility of myocardium and deepens arterial hypotension. This cardiovascular decompressor (so-called Bezold–Jarisch reflex) [96] could further contribute to cerebral hypoxia [94,97] and significantly contribute to the pathobiology of BINT.

Now it gets to the carotid artery and how quickly it happens.

Consequences of increased vascular load​

Experimental studies showed an early pressure surge through both arterial and venous vasculatures caused by the coupling of the shock wave with the body. In a series of experiments using pigs fitted with armor (i.e., lead- and foam-lined vest that covered the torso), individual printed circuit board piezoelectronic transducers were implanted in the inferior vena cava (IVC), common carotid artery (CCA), forebrain, thalamus, lateral ventricle and hindbrain of the hemisphere ipsilateral to the blast and in the thalamus of the contralateral hemisphere [98]. The major peaks in the CCA were seen 2 ms after blast, followed by a gradually increasing pressure in the IVC that reached the peak at about 4–5 ms after the first and largest peak pressure within the CCA. Interestingly, the major pressure peaks measured by intraparenchymal and ventricular printed circuit boards occurred later, between 136 and 138 ms after blast. The authors hypothesized that both vascular (CCA and IVC) pressure responses might be caused by myocardial compression. The slight difference between them could be resulting from the different lengths of the CCA–heart and IVC–heart paths, respectively. Since the path into the CCA is shorter from the heart, the rise might be more immediate [98].

This early pressure surge through both arterial and venous vasculatures and the resulting fluid sheer stress might increase the platelet-activating factor induced neutrophil activation [99] and intensify the release of other mediators/modulators originating from endothelial cells [100,101], which in turn might contribute to the early [102] and cyclic opening of the blood–brain barrier after BINT.

Not being versed in these matters, it does seem that the inner body immediatly does a lot of things in the presents of a shock wave.
 
The Slow Mo Guys made a video 7 years ago where they fire two examples of shaped charges, one through a safe and one through a mannequin. It's way more then what we're looking for, but these are more examples in slow motion (like in the Shaped Charges vs. Ballistic Heads video above)


The EFP (Explosively Formed Penetrator) mentioned above is also interesting. Helpful 16 year old video illustrating the differences between the two types.

 
Thank you for composing the song and making the video. It’s a moving and poignant tribute.

Belated thanks - it's out on the usual music streaming platforms now too. Also improved the sound a bit for the release. Here it is on YT music:


Would like to send it to Candace actually, she might like it, but don't know how since I'm not on Instagram (if someone wants to tag her there, that would be cool...).
 
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