Chills, cramps and muscle spasms

SlavaOn

SlavaOn

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One of the most severe effects of doing cold water baths and showers is the stage when the muscles of the body will start cramping and spasming. That would continue even after the cold is changed to heat. I understood that it is a side-effect of some process that strengthens the immune system and after proper protocol will make a person able to tolerate even strong infections. Wim would be the good example.

I have been sick for a week already; a couple of days I was experiencing exactly the same symptoms: crams, chills and back muscle spasms. Even a slight change in outside temperature would easily trigger that reaction. At this time, I believe, it is an immune systems fighting the toxins and ill-effects of the infection that causes it.

I am concluding, based on this similarity, that exposing yourself to cold water, one tries to trigger the similar response in order for the body to get used to that condition (strengthen) and eliminate or reduce the harmful actions of future infections.

Your thoughts, please?

SlavaOn
 
Hi SlavaOn


There's some discussion on cold showers in one of the C transcripts, here's the link:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,36259.0.html
 
Thanks, lilyalic.

I searched that topic, that you pointed out, for spasms, cramps, contraction and didn't find anything that would relate to my question. Searching for "termors" did produce that hit:

Absolutely,
From the sounds of peoples experiences we have neurogenic trauma releasing tremors happening. This can be induced in a variety of ways, there is some kind of route through the musculo-skeletal, limbic, vagus nerve, or cold induced through the central nervous system. I haven't quite got my head around it all but the links are clearly there. Animals naturally release and tremor out their nervous system tension after trauma, we humans need a bit of assistance to get the mechanism going again. When we are kept in a fight flight state chronically it is easy to control use our resilience is decreased we are afraid of the shadows.

To sum it up these are the things I think that help us to rid the body of this tension:

1) Ketogenic diet and feeding our healthy gut bacteria, through the gut brain connection

2) Cold adaptation which induces tremoring and raises core body temperature increasing resilience

3) Neurogenic tremoring instigated by trauma release exercises

4)Body therapies that gently communicate with the central nervous system through fascial proprioception that also creates a trauma/tension release, particularly when focused on the iliopsoas muscle

5)Breathing techniques that stimulate the diaphragm (EE) and relax the oral facial muscles (pipe breathing)

6)Placing the tip of the tongue firmly into the roof of the mount this protects the oesophagus and the throat can open relaxing the oral facial muscles which allow the sphenoid bone to freely move with the cranial-sacral rhythm, hydrating the brain and balancing the endocrine system.
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Clearly, to get sick with a bad flu looks like another way to cause huge tremors. If it is "releasing neurogenic trauma" while fighting to suppress the poisons, or just a look alike reaction. And it fluctuates between the chills and the fevers that kindly envelope you and release the tension and the eyes are burning, but you are glad that the tremors stopped...

SlavaOn
 
SlavaOn said:
One of the most severe effects of doing cold water baths and showers is the stage when the muscles of the body will start cramping and spasming. That would continue even after the cold is changed to heat. I understood that it is a side-effect of some process that strengthens the immune system and after proper protocol will make a person able to tolerate even strong infections. Wim would be the good example.

I have been sick for a week already; a couple of days I was experiencing exactly the same symptoms: crams, chills and back muscle spasms. Even a slight change in outside temperature would easily trigger that reaction. At this time, I believe, it is an immune systems fighting the toxins and ill-effects of the infection that causes it.

I am concluding, based on this similarity, that exposing yourself to cold water, one tries to trigger the similar response in order for the body to get used to that condition (strengthen) and eliminate or reduce the harmful actions of future infections.

Your thoughts, please?

SlavaOn
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Hi SlavOn.

Do you know what temperature water you were using, and for how long were the showers/baths?

If you've gone at this exercise too hard and too fast, you may have given yourself mild hypothermia. I've found it's best to increase the time spent in the cold water by a minute or two each time, depending on the temperature of the water. I imagine this gives your body chance to adapt.
 
I have remembered, from reading somewhere, that in medieval times, doctors were using cold baths as a common form of treatment. Also, wrapping the sick people in wet linens and have them dry was another similar form of cure. I bet, these treatments were causing severe muscle cramps. The modern medicine thinks such treatments is a bunch of boloney. I wonder, if those medieval doctors were trying to stimulate the healing effect that Cs are talking about? Or, just to bring down a fever?

SlavaOn
 
SlavaOn said:
I have remembered, from reading somewhere, that in medieval times, doctors were using cold baths as a common form of treatment. Also, wrapping the sick people in wet linens and have them dry was another similar form of cure. I bet, these treatments were causing severe muscle cramps. The modern medicine thinks such treatments is a bunch of boloney. I wonder, if those medieval doctors were trying to stimulate the healing effect that Cs are talking about? Or, just to bring down a fever?

SlavaOn
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I think that it could be that your body is telling you to take it easier on your cold water adaption. You say that you bet that these medieval doctors were causing people they were treating muscle cramps. But you don't KNOW that this was the case. You are just creating narratives to make you think that what you are doing to your body is helping.

Laura, and the Cs, have said to get out of the cold water once you start to get chills, or less if you have physical problems, are older or have hardly any fat. Don't go to extremes in this.

So, as Immersion has asked, do you know what temperature the water is and how long are you staying in it? I think that what you are doing could be bad for your body and it is telling you that.
 
Nienna said:
SlavaOn said:
I have remembered, from reading somewhere, that in medieval times, doctors were using cold baths as a common form of treatment. Also, wrapping the sick people in wet linens and have them dry was another similar form of cure. I bet, these treatments were causing severe muscle cramps. The modern medicine thinks such treatments is a bunch of boloney. I wonder, if those medieval doctors were trying to stimulate the healing effect that Cs are talking about? Or, just to bring down a fever?

SlavaOn
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I think that it could be that your body is telling you to take it easier on your cold water adaption. You say that you bet that these medieval doctors were causing people they were treating muscle cramps. But you don't KNOW that this was the case. You are just creating narratives to make you think that what you are doing to your body is helping.

Laura, and the Cs, have said to get out of the cold water once you start to get chills, or less if you have physical problems, are older or have hardly any fat. Don't go to extremes in this.

So, as Immersion has asked, do you know what temperature the water is and how long are you staying in it? I think that what you are doing could be bad for your body and it is telling you that.
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Until very recently I was working high up in the mountains (over 4000m) and was doing cold showers every other day (water was around 4 - 5 deg C). I would often start shivering around the 3 min mark and was able to prolong the showers to max. 3 1/2 min, by which time I was violently shivering. After that it took me up to two hours to rewarm, unless I was running up a ridge. Part of the problem was that the house I was living in was unheated, and it was always very cold (that alone might already have been enough to cold adapt).

Even though I thought I was doing OK, I was getting progressively weaker and developed a bronchitis with a cough, first dry, but eventually productive, with yellow phlegm. I was getting sicker and sicker until the time I had to resort to antibiotics to clear up the infection - believe me, I tried my hardest not to.

So in summary, the whole cold shower thing spectacularly backfired for me. I probably overdid it massively, and up to now I have been unable to get back into it.

This reminds me of one of the things Jack Kruse emphasises in his cold adaptation protocol, namely that you have to take care not to drop your skin temperature below around 10 deg C. I always thought that to be a bit strange, but now I think that he might be on to something here. I never really found a good explanation in his work as to why he recommends this.

Maybe the crucial thing is to absolutely avoid any degree of hypothermia - something that I got into every single time I took a cold shower. I am planning to restart the cold showers once I have "recovered", but this time I will monitor water temperature, but also skin temperature, just to make sure I don't drop that too far anymore.

Hope this helps!

So I think that if you jump in headlong (as I tend to do), you may actually make things worse.
 
Guys.

Your concerns are misplaced. I am a chicken and the only time I took a cold bath was by kneeling into it.
My showers are running at whatever the temperature of the water is. I would wash in a warm water before I flip the handle to the right and get a blast of cold. I estimate that I do not spend more then 1 minute there. I spin al the time and let the water sprinkle over, except on the head.
With these precautions, I am safe.
Thank you for your concern!

SlavaOn
 
Some people on the Forum have said that it helps to start Pipe breathing before turning the water to cold, what happens when you pass the "hypo" stage, for example breathing heavily, kind of in shock?

Like others have said, maybe you're doing it a little too harshly! try working your way up from slightly cold, and onwards... it's even harder in the winter!

Sometimes my partner and I test each other and see which one can last longest, or even put songs on and sing them all the way through, I actually started dancing in the shower the other day!

Hope you eventually overcome these physical difficulties :)
 
Quick question regarding the cold showers/baths. Are people using thermometers to check the temp of the water. I believe the recommended temp is 10 - 15 degrees c. I would like to start at 15 to try this out so thermometer required.
 
Thebull said:
Quick question regarding the cold showers/baths. Are people using thermometers to check the temp of the water. I believe the recommended temp is 10 - 15 degrees c. I would like to start at 15 to try this out so thermometer required.
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We use our fat bomb cooking thermometer.
 
I use a bath thermometer (not a digital one).

I have buy 5 of those "same" brand thermometers. I notice that some indicates a temperature 2°C higher than others...
 
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