Chinese Spy balloon?

Pretty interesting stuff but who knows what the truth really is as it seems to be nothing more than a poorly written show. Maybe a way to ease the populace into seeing more strange happenings in the sky? Maybe to promote more anti-chinese sentiment? Dunno, can't say I care that much either way to be honest.

What really interests me is that a guy I work with was down at Myrtle beach fishing off the pier while all this was happening in real time; when I asked him how people were reacting to it, he described a lot of them were actually in a state of fear as they watched it being shot down, possibly worried it could be 'biological' as well.

Seems to be a decent testament to the current mental state of people around us.. the uneasiness, the fear surrounding and perpetuating itself into all facets of our lives.

Anyways, much love as always,
 
Whatever the case, it has exposed the US govt. as the bunch of hysterical nutjobs they really are, and more importantly, provides an opportunity for those interested in damaging US/China relations to further their agenda.
That's a good point, because I kept on thinking about the fact that, if they really wanted to "avoid panic" they could've simply not said anything and let people think it's a US balloon... who was going to fly and see if the stickers on the equipment said "Made in America"?

Specially with the whole celebratory flavor they gave the shooting down of it, beyond the fact that it was such an easy target, seriously, watching a kid hit a piñata should be more exciting, at least the kid is blindfolded, but the patriotic flavor they gave it, was probably part of the deal. Who knows? I wonder if all the democrats realize they're celebrating Biden acting as Trump would potentially have.

Or it could also be a way to continue to potentially tarnish Biden, as scape goat not fit for the job, should they eventually need a scape goat.
 
Its the new lunar year of the Water Rabbit and we have a Chinese Spy Balloon- think big floppy ears- and this transpired as the Moon grew full.

On Monday, NORAD commander Gen. Glen VanHereck told reporters that spy balloons entered US airspace three times during the Trump administration, but "that we did not detect those threats," calling it a "domain awareness gap."

As the legend goes, the Jade Emperor challenged all of the animals in the Kingdom to a “Great Race.” Whoever arrived at his Palace first would win his favor. Known for his speed, the Rabbit was sure that he would win the race, and was particularly positive that he would beat the Ox, his slowpoke neighbor. On the day of the race, the Rabbit got a head start at dawn. He was in the lead but exhausted, so thinking that he had the race in the bag, he decided to take a nap. When he woke up though, three other animals had already crossed the finish line, including the Ox.

“Greek lago-, lag-, from lagos, ‘hare’, which stands for Greek lag)-us)-os, and literally means ‘the animal with the flapping ears’. The first element of this compound is related to Greek lagaros, ‘slack, hollow’, and cognate with Latin languere, ‘to faint, weary’. The second element is related to Greek ous, genitive otos, ‘ear'” [Klein].

Greek lagos is from the Indo-European root *slég ‘To be slack, be languid’. Derivatives: slack¹ (loose, indolent, careless),

Some people have seen rabbit outline in the moonscape

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FWIW, John Helmer published an article about the balloon!

If the US Government, including the President and the Pentagon, have been telling the truth, the Chinese balloon incursion over US territory for a week has proved to be one of the most effective spy missions ever attempted against US air and missile defences in recent memory.

If the Chinese Government has been telling the truth, and the balloon was nothing more than a “civilian unmanned airship” out of control due to force majeure, the outcome is exactly the same. It is also the same outcome if the Chinese have been lying, and the balloon was a military intelligence operation.

And if US officials have been lying, concealing what they knew and when they knew what they have publicly announced about the balloon’s mission, the conclusion remains the same: the balloon has exposed fundamental warfighting weaknesses of the US against both Russia and China to its enemies; and equally to the US allies on the Ukrainian battlefield, in Japan, Korea, Canada and Australia to see for themselves.

 

It is amazing how "suspicious" and "irrelevant" the media has become over a silly weather balloon. This report from CTV. I can't believe the comments reported here. Please read. And to think we wasted air time and good intelligent info for this.


Hey JT, can we get our tanks back, please? We need to defend our air space against vile, intrusive and spying weather air balloons from Asia! Now what would Danielle think about that???

And now from Canada folks:

Why wasn't the suspected Chinese spy balloon shot down over Canada?​



Authorities are divulging what they knew about China's alleged spy balloon and how others may have avoided initial detection.
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Former NATO Task Force commander Denis Thompson says the Chinese balloon would've been shot down if it was a military threat.
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Expert: Chinese balloon is an 'error in judgment'​



Published Feb. 6, 2023 7:29 p.m. CST

Critics say the U.S. and Canada had ample time to shoot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon as it drifted across North America for a week, although it's unlikely Canadian jets could have done the job.
"This was an outrageous intrusion," Conservative defence critic James Bezan told CTVNews.ca. "If we were tracking this from the time it entered Alaskan airspace, the question is, why didn't Norad take action sooner?"
Two hundred feet tall, manoeuvrable and with a payload of sensors the size of three school buses, the alleged surveillance balloon initially approached North America near Alaska's Aleutian Islands on Jan 28. According to officials, it crossed into Canadian airspace on Jan. 30, travelling above the Northwest Territories, Alberta and Saskatchewan before re-entering the U.S. on Jan 31.
The presence of the balloon was made public on Feb. 1 as it flew above Montana, home to one of three U.S. nuclear missile silo sites. On the afternoon of Feb. 4, an American F-22 fighter jet finally brought it down with an air-to-air Sidewinder missile over the Atlantic Ocean near South Carolina. U.S. President Joe Biden has said he wanted it shot down sooner, but was advised to wait until it was above water to minimize potential damage and injuries from debris.

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WHY WASN'T THE BALLOON SHOT DOWN SOONER?​

In the U.S., Republican leaders have criticized the Biden administration for not downing the balloon as it traversed remote waters, vast tundra and sparsely-populated wilderness.
"It defies belief to suggest there was nowhere between the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and the coast of Carolina where this balloon could have been shot down right away without endangering Americans or Canadians," U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a Feb. 5 statement.
"What if it had been weaponized?" Bezan, a Manitoba member of Parliament, added. "I think they had an opportunity to take it down over the Pacific… Why wouldn't we have shot it down there before it even got to any populated regions?"
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Norad commander Gen. Glen D. VanHerck offered his rationale.
"It was my assessment that this balloon did not present a physical military threat to North America, this is under my Norad hat," VanHerck, who heads the joint Canada-U.S. air defence group, said. "And therefore, I could not take immediate action because it was not demonstrating hostile act or hostile intent."
VanHerck also confirmed that Canadian fighter jets were deployed to search for another potential spy balloon.
"There was some speculation about a second one," VanHerck explained. "I launched Norad fighters, Canadian CF-18s and we were not able to corroborate any additional balloon."
In a statement to CTVNews.ca, a spokesperson from Canada's Department of National Defence provided a similar explanation.
"While the object was moving, analysis ruled out the possibility the balloon posed an imminent threat and further steps were taken to analyze it in collaboration with the U.S. and Norad," the Canadian defence spokesperson said. "Canada closely engaged with American counterparts on the decision to bring down China’s high-altitude surveillance balloon, and unequivocally supports this action."
Andrea Charron is an associate professor of political studies and the director of the University of Manitoba's Centre for Defence and Security Studies.
"Time was likely needed to assess its capabilities," Charron told CTVNews.ca. "Had there been a military risk, it would have been brought down sooner but it would have caused considerable damage on land even if it didn't kill anyone."

COULD CANADIAN CF-18 FIGHTER JETS DO THE JOB?:phaser:

Even if Canada had wanted to bring the balloon down, we likely would have needed help from our U.S. allies to do so by air.
"Why didn't Canada take stronger action when it was in our airspace?" Bezan said. "It speaks to capabilities that our current fleet of CF-18s can't fly that high and target it."
With a normal service ceiling of around 50,000 feet, Canada's aging CF-18 fighter jets might have had trouble reaching the balloon, which was reportedly travelling at altitudes of around 60,000 feet. The U.S. F-22 that got the job done can reach heights of approximately 65,000 feet – and has among the highest service ceilings of any American fighter jet. By comparisons, commercial jets usually don't fly above 42,000 feet.
In 1998, a pair of Canadian CF-18 fighter jets also failed to shoot down a rogue weather balloon near Newfoundland, despite firing more than 1,000 cannon rounds into it. Air-to-air missiles – like the one used on the Chinese balloon – were ruled out at the time.
"Citizens would not have appreciated having a missile blowing over their heads," a Canadian air force spokesperson told the Associate Press following the incident. "Also, it might be overkill spending a couple of hundred thousand dollars on a missile to shoot down a balloon that's drifting away."
According to the BBC, the hole-riddled balloon survived assaults from British and American aircraft before eventually deflating in the Arctic Ocean.
Canada's new F-35 fighter jets, which will begin arriving in 2026, also have a reported service ceiling of above 50,000 feet.

WAS THE CHINESE BALLOON ALSO SPYING ON CANADA?:lol2:

While the balloon flew above sensitive military sites in the U.S., it's unclear if it did the same over Canadian military facilities, which could have included CFB Cold Lake and CFB Suffield in Alberta, and CFB Moose Jaw in Saskatchewan. To rapidly respond to incoming threats from the north, the Canadian military also maintains what are known as forward operating locations, or FOLs, in Yellowknife and Inuvik in the Northwest Territories. Although the balloon's exact route has not been disclosed, Norad says it was tracked throughout its journey.
Julian Spencer-Churchill is an associate professor in political science at Concordia University in Montreal whose research focuses on security and strategic studies
"Technically, there is no international law indicating the height of national sovereignty," Spencer-Churchill told CTVNews.ca. "I don't know if it overflew any of those bases. Even if it did, they could have more easily driven and up and into the base… bases in Canada are not under as serious a lock-down as U.S. facilities."
China has denied that the balloon was collecting intelligence.
In his briefing with reporters on Monday, Norad's commander disclosed that four other Chinese balloons dispatched during both the Biden and Trump presidencies initially went undetected.
"This comes down to Norad modernization and whether or not it's capable to deal with the entire threat environment," Bezan said. "Who would have thought a balloon flying around at 55, 60,000 feet – it was even at times above that – would become a potential threat to continental security?"

WAS CANADA'S RESPONSE ADEQUATE?:welcome:

Bezan says the government has kept Canadians in the dark about the incident, who are relying instead on information from the U.S.
"I'm disappointed that the minister of defence, Anita Anand, and the prime minister have been both tight-lipped on this," the opposition lawmaker told CTVNews.ca. "Why didn't the Government of Canada tell Canadians what was in Canadian airspace, especially when Canadians could see it? Why did it wait until it was in Montana before this became public information?"

Charron from the University of Manitoba also wants to know more about how the incident was handled.
"I would want to know if any western parts made up the balloon and if allies or other U.S. combatant commands saw (the) balloon and either did or did not pass along info," she said.
Spencer-Churchill from Concordia University believes that the Canadian response has been appropriate.
"(L)ikely there was deference given to the Pentagon, which would have referred the issue to the Secretary of Defense, who would likely have informed the U.S. Armed Services Committee," he said. "Consequently, Canada's response was perfect, given that it passed through domestic and alliance consultations."
With files from the Canadian Press and the Associated Press
 
About the path of the weather balloon...

There are graphics circulating showing the approximate path of the balloon, and shows the balloon being in close proximity to Alaska's most populated region.

So, Alaska is heavily reliant on air transport. It is a stopover for all flights to Asia. Then, you have the military installations, bush traffic... Lots of air traffic. So, if the path shown is even close, it would have been spotted and discussed by air traffic control, aviators, ect. So, it looks like a weather balloon, and probably dismissed as such. And its presence investigated to a certain extent. With the recent weather extremes globally, you'd think there would be international cooperation.

So, Joe Biden is being investigated, people are shouting him down at his speeches: 'f$&# Joe Biden! f$&# Joe Biden!' and we have a crisis of national legitimacy. So focusing on and causing distraction is the course of action: incidents of police brutality, shootings, China, Russia, San Diego, problems everywhere! 'Just look at it all, and never mind the corrupt govt'.

So, China is no stranger to its population revolting, and America turns a blind eye to its policies, in return China plays along with Americas revolt - at the level of govt. they cooperate, but in the public eye, adversarial. Just like Republican/Democrat divide. A show.
 
Perhaps it's because I've re-watched "Burnt by the Sun" movie (Wiki) by Nikita Mikhalkov recently, or because there is a similar tragicomic aspect to that recent US/China balloon incident, but when I first heard about it, the below frame came to my mind straight away:

Burnt By The Sun baloon.jpg

Only that the scene in the movie was more tragic and the incident more comical.
 
The US being seriously concerned about spying with a balloon seems so silly.

First, the US and big tech have been spying on US citizens for a very long time, and even before that, think about project shamrock, and the opening up of mail and the like during the Cold War.

If China, or any other nation, was spying on the US, and its citizens, they would not be doing it with a very slow, impossible to control, very noticeably large balloon. So, this whole thing feels like posturing with the aim of maybe starting a kerfuffle with China.. and probably Taiwan is in the mix.
 
So, this whole thing feels like posturing with the aim of maybe starting a kerfuffle with China.. and probably Taiwan is in the mix.
I think the west Are ramping up the Anti China narrative again. Only yesterday on one of the UK mainstream breakfast shows were they encouraging us to stay away from Tik Tok as China is spying/mining the data
Exactly what apple and Google have done for years. I found it annoyingly, hypocrisy.
Seems like the Americans don't like competition.in the market place. Look what happened to Huiwei and all feeds the China is dangerous narrative probably leading up to the next planned western provocation.
 
China wants its balloon back

Beijing has called for the US to return debris from its alleged surveillance aircraft, which was shot down over the Atlantic

The Chinese Foreign Ministry has requested that President Joe Biden’s administration return debris from the air balloon that the US military shot down off America’s east coast on Saturday, saying the airship 🎈 “belongs to China.”

Speaking at a press briefing on Tuesday, ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning was asked whether Beijing had asked for the balloon debris to be returned. “The airship does not belong to the US,” she said. “It belongs to China.”

I saw this on Telegram, I had the thought that the US probably won't fully cooperate in the return of the balloon. Then it occurred to me that they might not be honest about the instruments that they retrieve from it. They could exaggerate the military surveillance aspect, or outright lie about it even if it turns out to be a normal weather balloon.
 
More to this story?

Did Biden Tell China to Send the Balloon?

Starting in 2002, select nations could fly unarmed spy planes over America’s military bases, including its nuclear weapons sites. Under the Open Skies Treaty, any signatory nation could begin an overflight with as little as 72-hours’ notice. The aim was to reassure parties to the treaty that none were preparing a surprise attack.

“If we’re going to attack,” the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark A. Milley, told Red China’s top general in 2020, “I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.” China then had only Milley to reassure it because China never signed the Open Skies treaty. But Russia did. Between 2002 and 2020, Russia made dozens of flights over the United States.

President Trump pulled out of the Open Skies treaty in 2020 after Russia refused the United States flights over Russian bases in Kaliningrad and Georgia. Enter Joe Biden. Notoriously pro-China and anti-Russia along with the rest of the leftist Western regime, how would he and his administration have viewed a request by China to overfly military bases in the continental United States?

“There not bad folks, folks . . . they’re not competition for us,” said Joe Biden about China in 2019—by which time China had apparently funneled millions to him, his brother, and his beyond compromised and crack-addled son, Hunter. Yet Russia was an “enemy,” Biden wrote the year before. So why should Russia, China wondered—just as a leftist neocon did in The Atlantic mere hours after the balloon’s reveal—have had 18 years of flights over American bases but China not even one? A Biden Administration, one viewing a Chinese economy towering over Russia’s as an asset—personal if not national—could only answer in China’s favor. And, that could explain the many and varied features of last week’s bizarre balloon saga.

Take the Pentagon’s response: there was none. At first, some supposed that the balloon slipped through early-warning radars. But it didn’t. The military refused to say when, exactly, it started tracking the balloon, but admitted that it had a track on it by the time it neared American airspace over the remote Aleutian Islands off the southern tip of Alaska. Yet, the administration kept the balloon secret for days and planned to keep it secret forever.

Take the State Department’s response: none there, either. At first, some supposed that Secretary of State Antony Blinken canceled his trip to Beijing to protest China’s balloon invasion. But he didn’t. He postponed—but did not cancel—his planned meeting in Beijing with China’s dictator, Xi Jinping, only because the White House feared how bad it would look to American voters if Blinken were kowtowing to Red China while Beijing’s army airship stalked the American heartland on a red carpet. The administration told the public about the balloon as it hovered about a nuclear-missile base in Montana, but only because the Billings Gazette published a photograph of it that afternoon and the jig was up.

And then there’s the most bizarre thing of all: that the Pentagon kept calling it a “spy balloon.” Why was it so sure? All the American public could see was a huge balloon carrying a big box. That slow, simple balloon could have been the perfect way to deliver a nuclear bomb over American soil to detonate in the atmosphere before America knew it was under attack: a floating Trojan Horse that would cause an electromagnetic pulse, destroying the electrical grid and frying electronics across swaths of the American continent.

Did the Pentagon know the balloon was instead a scheduled overflight, permitted by Joe Biden himself? What else explains its irritating insouciance?

The Constitution requires agreements like the Open Skies treaty to be ratified by the Senate. Both Obama and Biden, whose administrations include many of the same officials, believe that there is little for which a president needs to ask permission from Congress to do. That includes making backdoor treaties like Obama’s Iran nuclear deal, which Biden seeks to revive.

So, how would Biden and his administration have reacted if Xi asked to fly spy balloons over America’s military bases? Biden and his drippingly pro-China administration, Milley included, probably would have said “welcome to our open skies.” And, they probably would have thought that they could open the door to China, in secret, without asking Congress.

No American should ever have to wonder whose side the president or the Pentagon is on. Congress and the press must get real answers explaining why China’s balloon made it over the American homeland. If Joe Biden committed or abetted a crime or a crime-like act to aid a Chinese military mission, he must be impeached and removed from office. The usual hot air from Joe Biden and his flacks won’t fly this time.
 
More on what this may be about:

Four Months Ago, A Chinese Spy Balloon Crashed Off The Coast Of Hawaii

According to more mainstream media reports, a mere four months ago, a Chinese spy balloon crashed off the coast of Hawaii. U.S. officials reportedly confirmed that a Chinese spy balloon crashed near Hawaii four months ago, Fox News reported on Sunday, however, this wasn’t mainstream news until now.

Does that mean the war rhetoric is ramping up? Most likely.
According to the above tweet, Chinese spy balloons are actually pretty common.

This report comes after Pentagon officials said that similar balloon activity occurred once more during both the Biden administration and at least three times under the Trump administration. The crashing of the balloon near Hawaii and the other balloons that entered the U.S. under the Trump administration was never shared with the public.

Why? Because it never happened? Because we’re looking for excuses to promote a third world war? We had better really start to use our critical thinking and discernment or the ruling classes of this slave planet will soon have us killing each other while they sit in their ivory towers and laugh.
The Pentagon declined to comment to the Washington Examiner on the report. However, Craig Singleton, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told the Associated Press that several balloons have been spotted near military bases in Hawaii, but did not specify when.

The divide and conquer scheme is in full effect too.
Some GOP officials acknowledged that balloons crossed into U.S. territory while Trump held the White House, but believe it never would have crossed so far into the mainland as the most recent one did after floating over the Alaskan Aleutian Islands and eventually into Montana before being shot down in South Carolina.Washington Examiner

This situation seems like it is meant to rile up the public while ginning up support for a massive war with China. It’s going to soon be up to us whether we start world war three and lose our humanity in the process.


Chinas Spy Balloon Reportedly Part Of Global Surveillance System; Photos From Wreckage Released

The U.S. intelligence community has reportedly linked the Chinese spy balloon that was shot down late last week to a vast surveillance program being conducted by the Chinese military against numerous foreign nations.
The Washington Post reported that the balloon surveillance program operates out of the Hainan province in southern China and has targeted military assets in countries that are in Beijing’s crosshairs, including Japan, India, Vietnam, Taiwan, and the Philippines.

The Chinese military has operated the spy balloon over five continents, the report said. U.S. officials are now alerting military officials in other countries that they have been targeted by Chinese surveillance.

The Chinese military identified the opportunity to conduct surveillance from balloons that fly above commercial jetliners at an altitude of 60,000 to 80,000 feet. It’s unclear why China conducts the program since they can reportedly collect the same intelligence from their military satellite system, the report said.

The news comes after the U.S. military used an F-22 Raptor on Saturday to shoot down the spy balloon over the Atlantic Ocean using a single air-to-air AIM-9X Sidewinder missile that was fired at an altitude of approximately 58,000 feet. The decision to shoot down the spy balloon came after President Joe Biden allowed it to fly thousands of miles over the continental U.S. last week.

The U.S. Navy released photographs Tuesday of the spy balloon as naval forces recovered it off the coast of South Carolina.
 
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