CICNS Documentary - Anti-cult France -

[Bo]

Hi all,

in this thread Perceval asked if someone could translate a french video to English, I tried googling every possible name of that video to check if perhaps an English version could exist, and I came across this following documentary:

the title is:

CICNS Documentary - Anti-cult France -

it has 3 parts, (total 120 minutes - french video with english subtitles)

I skimmed through the first few minutes where they say:

New spiritualities, esotericism, personal development, New Age...
alternative health of educational methods, alternative ways of living together.
This list is not exhaustive but most of the victims of repression…
that we will discuss in this film will find themselves on it.
What these people have in common is…that they have all one day been
stigmatized by the use of the word ''cult''.

_http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5855/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-1.aspx

"At 6 a.m., 5:45, they arrived; there were sixty gendarmes."

"In the end, they broke down the door. They came in screaming."

"They aimed at me when I had my little one-year old daughter in my arms and I had another child with me who was three years old."

"They hit me, twisted my arm, put me on the floor, a pistol to my head."

"I think there are countless victims."

"The gendarmes who came were convinced that they had to save the interns from a collective suicide that would not fail to happen in the days to come."

"Any group, of any kind, can become a 'cult group' if you want to cause some trouble for it."

"Myself, personally, I don't understand what is happening in France.
I find it unacceptable."

"It’s an attempt to demonize people.
So, in order to demonize them, we say they belong to cults.
It's easy that way, we reject them as a group and there is no more discussion about it."

there is also a youtube link of this video

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFOJA4Dnzw

Description: Disclaimer: this documentary has been created and produced by the CICNS, an independent French organisation not connected to Kenja or any other group.

 

[Niall]

Great find Bo! Do you know where Parts 2 and 3 are?

I can't find them on YouTube. The 3 parts are listed here, here and here, but the videos are unavailable for some reason.

ADDED: I see a DVD of the docu is for sale here, so maybe CICNS didn't upload all three parts deliberately.

 

[Tigersoap]

I can access the second video with this direct link but not the third one.

_http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5887/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-2.aspx

Edit :

The transcript of the third part is here, just in case :

_http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5891/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-3.aspx

 

[Niall]

I got a response from KenjaCommunication, who uploaded the docu to YouTube:

Hello

You can find part 2 here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5887/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-2.aspx

part 3 will have the subtitles in 1 or 2 weeks

but you can find the translation here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5891/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-3.aspx

Both part 2 and 3 will be available in Youtube soon after translation has been cleaned up

I'm still unable to see part 2 at that kenja link. I'm getting this message:

"Sorry, the creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain. This is a Vimeo Plus feature."

I don't want to embed it, I just want to see it! Anyway, they'll be up on YouTube soon.

 

[Laura]

Somebody needs to tell them that if they want this info spread far and wide they better get it up there and accessible fast! My computer doesn't like Vimeo, so it needs to be on Youtube and to be embeddable.

 

[Bo]

I got a response from KenjaCommunication, who uploaded the docu to YouTube:

Hello

You can find part 2 here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5887/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-2.aspx

part 3 will have the subtitles in 1 or 2 weeks

but you can find the translation here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5891/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-3.aspx

Both part 2 and 3 will be available in Youtube soon after translation has been cleaned up

I'm still unable to see part 2 at that kenja link. I'm getting this message:

"Sorry, the creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain. This is a Vimeo Plus feature."

I don't want to embed it, I just want to see it! Anyway, they'll be up on YouTube soon.

that´s weird, maybe it has to do with your computer settings? Because I can watch them(part 2 and 3 on their site) and Embed them aswell.

 

[Voyageur]

Thanks Bo, have just reviewed the first part. As the others have said, good find, important documentary thus far, especially coming from sane people in France where this evil has found its political nest.

Couple of things in Part 1:

Olivier Martin - speaking of the police invaders “we have all the powers to make your life miserable.”

Me Jean-Marc Florand - "The Political Parties do Psychological manipulation…The credit companies do Psychological manipulation…The monasteries when they are recruiting, the churches do Psychological manipulation. Everyone in that case, does Psychological manipulation."

Waco and even Terranova - “How could the police have gotten there, unless carried away by the psychosis at the scale of an entire society?"

Commission of Inquiry report - Rougelet Patrick former Dir RG – of his book “The RG did not have much on the issue. In a disaster, it was necessary to manufacture a report.

The craft of the report is that it is “Information Only” but it is applied and cannot be refuted as it in essence does not exist in law. “The document is thus an invincible weapon of discrimination”.

When thinking back on Guyana (social collective shock), Waco (same) and OST (same) especially and how it was presented/prescribed and manipulated to a worldview, to parents who as always carry vulnerabilities of worry for their children as they grow and of their parents who worry for them, the weapon has been a potent carrier for the last three plus decades with a few new shocks and boogie men to help make humanity as pliable as possible for the PTB. These forces that dream up these machinations and perpetuate the fears are indeed the plague of our times.

 

[Niall]

I got a response from KenjaCommunication, who uploaded the docu to YouTube:

Hello

You can find part 2 here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5887/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-2.aspx

part 3 will have the subtitles in 1 or 2 weeks

but you can find the translation here
http://www.kenja-attacked.com/cicns-5891/cicns-documentary-anti-cult-france-part-3.aspx

Both part 2 and 3 will be available in Youtube soon after translation has been cleaned up

I'm still unable to see part 2 at that kenja link. I'm getting this message:

"Sorry, the creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain. This is a Vimeo Plus feature."

I don't want to embed it, I just want to see it! Anyway, they'll be up on YouTube soon.

that´s weird, maybe it has to do with your computer settings? Because I can watch them(part 2 and 3 on their site) and Embed them aswell.

Ok, I've got a solution to this now: I had to change my settings in Firefox to 'Enable Sending Referrers'. For anyone else having this problem, there are instructions for Firefox at the following link:

http://codex.wordpress.org/Enable_Sending_Referrers

 

[Voyageur]

After watching part 2 tonight, in continuation of this documentary, with what is known of these inquisitor associations, with their connections to industries and of their allies promoting full state blessing and cooperation, my god, with the voices of reason shining light on their baseless arguments they surely are being protected by a strange french High Cabal.

When educated reason is conveyed to the gang, like when Jean-Yves Dupuis answering about why there are not many negative reports about Jehovah Witness children, he said “Indeed, we don’t report that sort of thing” for which George Fenech replied with the most evil looking face says, “why not?” JYD replies, “Because we don’t find them to really be threatened.”

The story of the small Christian community, Tabatha’s Place, where Fenech himself attended, saying what he said to them in support and then flying back to Paris to give his pathological press statement with words like “psychological imprisonment” was very sad.

Near the end Me Bernardo Biro, Lawyer, say’s:
“We have a huge arsenal that we use to run like Tartarin after the beast that haunted the public forest. We have not found dangerous animals and it has produced disastrous effect in the population, particularly this collective phobia that has gripped the country, and behind this collective phobia a plethora of trials that have nothing to do with it, such as divorces, where one person accuses the other of being in ‘cults’. So that is the assessment, a totally disastrous assessment.”

Thank you for the documentary and transcripts, it should be seen by all.

 

[Bo]

it should be seen by all.

They have said that they will upload all the parts on YouTube, they are working on cleaning the subtitles. I am keeping an eye on their YouTube channel daily so i can grab the videos when they are online.

in the meantime I continued searching on Miviludes and Georges Fenech and came across this following file in google's cache.

_https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:oa3kBkXyh4EJ:_www.hrwf.net/Joom/images/forbnews/2009/france%25202009.pdf+&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiJtFoydd6Hm4sQPjO8DdIOefwZJNKf9egttWdRSU2j2QIaaBhWyAVxfqFVWg3M9ws1fhYARNiOWhOKdSu_IsYGKFfMYFM_N7R0sgBtA4UyFkcoik-OYQLPCUYeE1Zg9M2pK5S7&sig=AHIEtbRUi8k8kw2Qh3aJtT-y2eUYo1gTMQ&pli=1

There is A LOT of stuff in there,I am still weeding through it, also a lot mentioning Miviludes, but I thought this was quite interesting:

Miviludes' head Georges Fenech liable to a suspended six-month prison term

HRWF (14.02.2009) - Website: _http://www.hrwf.net - Email: _info@ hrwf.net - On
Wednesday 11 February, the Procurator of the Republic demanded a suspended six-
month prison term for Georges Fenech, a former magistrate and now president of
Miviludes, for his alleged role in the Angolagate.

The procurator stated that Mr Fenech "had a duty of vigilance" on the origin of the funds
transferred to the magistrates' association he was heading.

In 2001, Georges Fenech was indicted for accepting a check of 100,000 Francs (15,000
EUR) from the company Brenco whose director, Pierre Falcone, was involved in illegal
sales of weapons to Angola. He was then the president of APM (Association Professionelle
des Magistrats).

In 2004, the Socialists elected at the Court of Justice of the French Republic had asked
for his withdrawal from the jurisdiction of which he was the deputy chairman.

In 2008, Georges Fenech, now a member of the National Assembly (Sarkozy's party),
was declared ineligible for one year for violating the articles of the election code dealing
with the direct expenses of the election campaign of the candidates. He then asked for
his re-appointment in the magistracy and he was affected to the central administration of
the Ministry of Justice. In June, PM François Fillon commissioned him "to assess the
judicial provisions meant to fight with more efficiency against sectarian deviations." This
was the prelude to his appointment at the head of MIVILUDES.

Sources: Le Parisien, 13 February

The more I read into this guy, the more I want to trow up...

perhaps a little offtopic, but I found this one below interesting as well:

HRWF (16.03.2009) - Website: _http://www.hrwf.net - Email: info @hrwf.net - On 5 March
2009, the 17th correctional chamber of Paris sentenced Mr. Cossu, webmaster of the
website "Prevensectes" to a symbolic fine of 1 EUR on the grounds of defamation towards
an organization teaching the esoteric philosophy of Gurdjieff. (Ref.: Tribunal de Grande
Instance de Paris, 17e Chambre, Affaire No 0713423011).

Mr. Cossu had been prosecuted by the Ltd Liability Company "L'Ermitage" alias "Libre
Université du Samadeva édition L.U.S "after he had reproduced on

_www.prevensectes.com an article from the quarterly newspaper Bulle, published by
the anticult movement Unadfi. The article was saying that several techniques used by
L'Ermitage "could lead to psychological disorder or be used by a trainer or a network of
trainers to subjugate people outside the well-being center."

Mr. Cossu resigned from Prevensectes.

It is not the first time that website managers or bloggers have been sentenced on the
grounds of defamation towards faith or belief communities in France. On 17 April 2008,
the Mandarom won its lawsuit in a similar case before the same 17th correctional
chamber of Paris. (Ref.: Tribunal de Grande Instance de Paris, 17e Chambre, Affaire No
0515023051).

Footnote: A copy of both judgements can be obtained from HRWF

 

[Voyageur]

[quote author=Bo]...I am keeping an eye on their YouTube channel daily so i can grab the videos when they are online.

in the meantime I continued searching on Miviludes and Georges Fenech and came across this following file in google's cache.

There is A LOT of stuff in there,I am still weeding through it, also a lot mentioning Miviludes, but I thought this was quite interesting:[/quote]

Miviludes' head Georges Fenech liable to a suspended six-month prison term

Thanks for the update Bo, surely there are likely many personal bones buried from his former deeds somewhere.

The more one reads about this inquisitor monster-my god, its like this guy is Me Teflon, like he has a good coating of DGSE somewhere in his past. It is almost like people in the system are intensely scared of him and his ilk and without question, will answer to any demands made. And of the end purpose, after the Judiciaries have heard the cases, seems more to be one of the creation of fear, like the DHLS does in general, to the local communities around the events and creating a soft point in people where they will report what never before needed reporting or responding to; and then the black clad enforcers show up.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Yeah, and another thing that strikes me as I read recently about these suspended sentences is that even when they're caught committing crimes and found guilty they get a "suspended prison term" instead of doing real time for their crimes. Not unusual in the worldwide Pathocracies, but REALLY infuriating!

 

[bngenoh]

Bo,

This documentary just flabbergasted me, i mean really, no seriously REALLY.