citizen hearing on disclosure

[crystal]

_http://www.citizenhearing.org/
are we approaching alien disclosure by the government??....is this true??

 

[Rich]

_http://www.citizenhearing.org/
are we approaching alien disclosure by the government??....is this true??

To me it looks to be more of a marketing tool for a cocumentary release. The text is written in such a way to make one think that this is a discussion before Congress. It isn't. "witnesses will testify for thirty hours over five days before former members of the United States Congress.". It could well be interesting but I question the reliability and agendas of the promoters of the 'Government alien disclosure is coming...' story.

 

[crystal]

Re: citizen hearing on disclosure update

update.._http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/citizen-hearing-on-disclo_0_n_3175272.html
Above is the link to know more and its already webcast live here..._http://www.citizenhearing.org/webcast.html...
leave ur feedback here regarding ur thoughts on this...

 

[sacriface]

I just came across the disclosure hearings before retired congressmen a day or two ago, have been listening to them since.

I found them to be amazing accounts of sightings, investigations and discussions. Many respected specialists from the field have lectures, like Linda Moulton Howe and more. Very often they are just everyday americans, sincere and disturbed, one can see they're afraid, it actually seems like nearly all of them, including congressmen are quite uneasy. Some of the congressmen seem to have had no idea how vast the topic is and how comprehensive is the information gathered around it and struggle to get their head around it all of a sudden.

Also they don't seem to go off into fantasy too much, for instance, one of old air force staff called out Dr.Stephen Greer for being boastful and stupid for his approach to the matter along the "we can take the UFO's home" lines. Other witnesses have their theories that aren't far fetched even in the light of data from this forum, some show lack of good information, or lack of criticality in regards to what's out there in the UFO field. Some, of course talk a lot without saying anything, but some do opposite.

After hearing a couple of hours of lectures, testimonies and Q&A I found this to be an amazing piece of information on the topic, observing how different people react to the idea, how far each was willing to go down the rabbit hole and what they brought back from there.

There isn't anything ground breaking in terms of knowledge, that would extend Laura's books and the kind of knowledge provided by the C's and pursued on this board. Nevertheless it seems to broaden the perspective on how people think and react to this kind of information + lots of interesting stories from people who seem to be very sincere, and don't even have enough information to construct an agenda.

So interesting to see that they were all human, some likely misinformed, some in part-denial, some quite critical, but all facing this one huge problem and cognitive dissonance regarding public/human awareness.

Disclosure itself isn't necessarily worth much attention, but these hearings are a gem, IMO.
And importantly, they are not to be mistaken with Disclosure Project!

Have more forumers come across this?
I'm even sort of surprised there is so little regarding these hearings on the forum, despite knowing the forum itself and QFG are few milestones ahead of that.

 

[Ennio]

I think that one of the reasons these different Disclosure events no longer holds much interest for many is that the more prescient disclosure would seem to be about psychopathy. As in: who needs aliens when you have psychopaths? Reminds me also a little of what Castaneda says about the sorcerers of other times needing to deal with petty tyrants in their (3D) level, but who sometimes made the mistake of trying to deal with 'evil' on other levels first, and failed as a result.

The session excerpt below greatly informs and is informed by this and, I think, is one of the reasons why these disclosure-type events are not of as much interest as they may have once been.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18906.0.html

A: Remember we once told you that people would unite against the "invasion" at the time just before the earth changes?

Q: (L) Well, yeah. We were talking about the Nephalim and their stun guns and that sort of thing. But it looks like psychopaths are the new Nephalim, and they're already using stun guns - tasers. And then we asked if they were going to try to stage a fake alien invasion. All of this disclosure business is trying to point people in the direction of alien invasions, trying to get them prepared for some kind of fake alien invasion. Then you said yes, but a real invasion might take place first or earth changes would happen. Now, it's just been pressing on my mind, becoming more and more clear, that we don't NEED an alien invasion with psychopaths ruling this world as their transdimensional agents. And it has occurred to me that when you said that way back when, that basically the invasion has already occurred! It's here, now. It's psychopaths in power!

Everybody is looking and waiting for some kind of aliens; well, aliens are a supernatural phenomenon. Yeah, there is a certain physicality to it, but it strikes me that that physicality doesn't have... what do I want to say? Endurance? It doesn't "vibrate" right in our reality. It can come and go, but it doesn't stay here. So they need agents. They've always needed agents. They've always needed human-looking beings to control, to manipulate, or to even "download into" in a funny sort of way, like a possession or an activation. It's like they're sitting at some control console in some hyperdimensional place controlling their agents the way we control remote control toys.

So anyhow, this is what I've been thinking. Everybody's waiting for something to happen, like disclosure, or after disclosure. But it's already happened. It's here NOW! Any so-called “disclosure” will be a fraud unless they come out and say that it is a supernatural or hyper-dimensional phenomenon, which they are NOT going to say because that completely counters their entire world view that worships the physical universe. That’s where the whole Darwinism, material science, exclusion of scientific study of the paranormal, and so forth, comes from. That sort of thing can NEVER be studied honestly because it would destroy their reality construct.

(Perceval) That's a great screen.

(L) Yeah, they're trying to prepare people for physical, material aliens – “Disclosure” - because they're going to TRY to pull the alien invasion trick or the "alien god" trick and they'll say, "Worship the alien god! Join behind us! We're his high priests!" But it's not going to work.

(Perceval) It's almost like that's been held in reserve if it's necessary. They've prepped people with the idea of aliens.

(L) It's like this gigantic counterintelligence program. And the main thing that I've seen them working to counter is the idea, the concept, the understanding that this phenomenon is a supernatural one. To make that clear, what we have always called supernatural, which is not necessarily "supernatural", is really just hyperdimensional. We've been aware of these things – this other reality – for millennia. They come and go. It's like the finger in Flatland. We're Flatland! Am I on to something with this?

A: About as accurate as you can get without making direct predictions.

Q: (L) Who was it, this scientist guy... Was it Werner von Braun who said they were going to create this illusion about an alien invasion, and that it was all a big lie and a big fraud? And the real reason he said it was that he knew that it was a paranormal or a hyperdimensional phenomenon. Is that what he meant?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Because that fits. We've already been invaded. It's already a done deal. (Perceval) An invasion of psychopaths. (L) Yeah.

So it's not that these disclosure events are un-interesting necessarily - they can be - but for now, perhaps, the 'bigger picture' - of psychopaths in positions of power - is in some ways more necessary and practical to focus on. That said, there may be a time when it will become imperative to pay more attention to what truths get eeked out by the public or the ptb...

 

[sacriface]

I think that one of the reasons these different Disclosure events no longer holds much interest for many is that the more prescient disclosure would seem to be about psychopathy. As in: who needs aliens when you have psychopaths? Reminds me also a little of what Castaneda says about the sorcerers of other times needing to deal with petty tyrants in their (3D) level, but who sometimes made the mistake of trying to deal with 'evil' on other levels first, and failed as a result.

I agree with that entirely.
But, on the other hand, I found that the issues brought up during these hearings are very often targeted at the humans who govern the ET, or UT affairs whatever they might be. And on that note, some speakers have indeed hinted at their abilities of time travel, space warping, multidimensionality, etc. While it isn't nearly enough to be actually noticed in the midst of things, it's a slight improvement. I don't necessarily have any hopes regarding the disclosure itself, I just found that the directions their discussions take are often highly collinear to what Sott, QFG and all others here work towards.

The whole problem of military industrial complex, the personal and global injustice that it causes leads many 'witnesses' and researchers to the conclusions regarding the moral condition of people themselves, the fact that they don't stand up and against not even the aliens themselves but the people and institutions, including the government, who are connected to this issue and play dirty.
The secrecy, blackmail, lies and cover-ups that are the vehicle of the people (psychopaths) seem quite often to be the main thing bugging those gathered.

They discuss the ramifications of these phenomena in regards to religion and economy, the political modus operandi of 'divide and rule' that is the basic technique of psychopaths.

So, while psychopaths themselves aren't called out by their name, and no one (in circa 10hrs I listened to so far) seems to be aware of this possibly "direct" relationship, the initiative of most of them is in the end targeting first and foremost the very psychopathic nature of our social systems that prevent the "alien" data from surfacing. The idea of 'them' being the very creators of our reality doesn't dawn to 99% of the speakers and congressmen, it's mainly the anger at people who cover them up for whatever reason.

In other words, while trying to get at the UFO issue in the current state of affairs it is our 3D psychopaths who could be taking the biggest blow along the way. OSIT.

 

[Ennio]

In other words, while trying to get at the UFO issue in the current state of affairs it is our 3D psychopaths who could be taking the biggest blow along the way. OSIT.

Yeah, at least in the realm of awareness that many well-intended disclosurites have. If they knew, however, that this was a problem of psychopathy, and called the problem by name, then the tenor of the discussion could be very different I think. Not that the 3D psychopaths would necessarily be taking a blow by this - but maybe in some sense they would be.

On a related matter it's interesting to see that for all Richard Dolan's exposure to this forum and research, he still seems unwilling to make the link in his talks and writings. His new book certainly doesn't seem to go there based on the table of contents.

In other areas of public discourse there seems to be a little progress. A few years ago I went to a townhall-style meeting on the subject of Israel's aggression in Gaza. There was a panel of activists, writers, Cynthia McKinney, and the actor Vanessa Redgrave there. At one point Ms. Redgrave was weighing in on the matter and she came right out and said that she believed that the aggression was indicative of psychopathy. Or words to that effect. I may have been doing some projecting at the time, but when she said this there was a murmuring of recognition among the audience that sounded like nothing I heard before or after she made the statement that night. It was as if this one statement had a weight and an impact that little else had. A light had been lit there. And you can also read Chris Hedges and some other good writers incorporating the words 'pathology' and 'psychopathy' into their analysis in recent years.

 

[sacriface]

Yeah, at least in the realm of awareness that many well-intended disclosurites have. If they knew, however, that this was a problem of psychopathy, and called the problem by name, then the tenor of the discussion could be very different I think. Not that the 3D psychopaths would necessarily be taking a blow by this - but maybe in some sense they would be.

I'd say the 3D psychopaths would definitely take a blow if out of all branches, the discosurites would call them out, perhaps their power could at least start eroding instead of presently seen constant strengthening. Just a hopeful guess. That only if disclosure got any interest in the general public, though.

Recalling what a backlash Laura experienced when she got onto that topic, it seems that approaching the matter from this angle is quite dangerous, but potentially most efficient. However, when I listen to those mostly entirely clueless (still-open minded and fair play for that) congress people trying to assimilate the information provided to them in such volume, there is a very long way to go before anyone in the public will consider that the ill intentioned 'aliens' have the world's elites as puppets, not only the black budget militia.

Also, despite one's opinion regarding ET's, or UT's, and hopes regarding the disclosure, or lack thereof I found slightly depressing that the hearings, which are the most legit way (not counting few disinformators) of breaking down the topic to a layman in our history have the count of Youtube hits between 3-7 thousand over 9 months. I found it just plain sad. Maybe the topic of psychopathy alone has more chance to come through, as you mentioned it resonating with people who are concerned with the state of things around us.

However, I found the hearings to be a great material. When you're aware of most researcher's work, even on the surface, the hearings are a great review of years of research, an exercise to look for hooks in the testimonies of those of questionable reputation, catch all the slight allusions and some suspicions of the congressmen. Listen in and observe how they react to this information. It's a bit like a real life spectacle, really interesting and fun. Might post this in the Movies section actually :)

On a related matter it's interesting to see that for all Richard Dolan's exposure to this forum and research, he still seems unwilling to make the link in his talks and writings. His new book certainly doesn't seem to go there based on the table of contents.

Funny you mention this. I've even had a slightly suspicious feeling after listening to some of Dolan's recent presentations. After reviewing the results of his fact-based research he only goes as far as to consider a whole array of possible disclosure "what if" scenarios, where some of them don't even take into account the well known nature of PTB. This is not to accuse him of disinformation, but he indeed seems unwilling to further than a series of 'neutral' guesses for whatever reason.

I'm familiar with some of Chris Hegdes' opinions, but might delve further into his work, thanks for the recommendation.
On that note, the "Political Ponerology" is a must read also.