Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

[SeekinTruth]

Russia doesn't want the conflict escalated at all. But there will be no direct attack on Russia by NATO. As all war games show what would happen to the NATO forces very quickly. The mid-level military officers (e.g. colonel) that know the most (much more than generals, etc.) would not want to start such a conflict - they may even refuse orders, as it can quickly escalate to tactical nukes and then strategic nukes which would result in the utter destruction of every major western city (including in the US) by Russian superior missile delivery systems.

The attack on Transniester can be a very dangerous provocation, as if a number of Russian peacekeepers get killed and injured, Russia may retaliate in a lightning attack to defuse future such attacks on its troops (as it did in South Ossetia when Georgia attacked in 2008). That would make the situation so dangerous that, again, the West would either have to back down or face a devastating defeat and/or utter nuclear destruction (of pretty much most of the planet). So, IF this is a preparation for such a dangerous provocation, most likely it would be for the propaganda and sanctions escalation rather than a hot shooting war between NATO and Russia - we all better hope, anyway.

 

[Altair]

The leader of Pridnestrovie said about possible provocations within the Republic (26 of February, 18:31)


Leader Yevgeny Shevchuk said about possible provocations in the near future inside the unrecognized Republic.

"in the face of external pressures on the country, with the explicit desire of our partners in Chisinau and Kiev change the political course of the Republic should expect a series of provocative actions inside the country," said Shevchuk on the last working day of the week in his annual message.

according to his statement, according to the special services of Transnistria, information sabotage, disturbing the public against the country, its leadership, well funded both outside and inside the country ' who the current government was forced to pay into the state budget more than $ 100 million over the past 3 years ".

The leader of the PMR noticed that in the conditions of socio-economic problems "pop up" so-called " defenders of the people ", " patriots ", can propagate gossip and yielding more uncertainty." with lies and manipulation they try to rise to the problems of people using objective difficulties as a step to increase the importance or conservation in the ranks of the authorities or bodies of local self-government, and to destabilize the country in General, " said Shevchuk.

He brought the initiative to the Transnistrians to be more than careful and cautious in this difficult period and to grasp the underlying causes of those who speculates slogans, without offering anything constructive instead of wreaking strong hostility and discord ".

Transnistria, 60 percent of its inhabitants are Russians and Ukrainians sought to secede from Moldova even before the collapse of the USSR, fearing that the wave of nationalism Moldova joining Romania. In 1992, after the failed attempts of the authorities of Moldova force to solve the problem, Transnistria was in fact not controlled by the Chisinau area.

Source: _http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///93893/

 

[Nević Nenad]

Great video. With english subtitles.

Я Русский Оккупант | I'm a Russian Occupant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

 

[Keit]

Breaking news: Boris Nemtsov was killed in the center of Moscow.
http://www.sott.net/article/293212-Preparing-the-ground-for-Russian-Maidan-Opposition-politician-Boris-Nemtsov-killed-in-the-center-of-Moscow

Now we will see the whole charade unfolding before us.

 

[thorbiorn]

Kiev is doing everything, it seems, to destroy Ukraine, it is absurd.

2/26/2015

800 rebelling Volhynia coal miners are sent military draft notices

By Oleg Tyshkevich

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk

The coal miners of Western Ukraine who threatened a large-scale rebellion due to the three- month delay of salaries are being inducted into the army.

800 rebellious miners received notices directly from military commissars who delivered them to the coal mines.

According to the deputy mayor of Novovolynsk, Eduard Savik, the notices were delivered to coal mines no. 1 and no. 9 in Novovolynsk, which the state is planning to close. That’s where the majority of rebellious miners is employed.

The miners blocked highways several times this winter to protest government policies which does not finance the mines, but instead wants to close them and is not even paying coal miners’ salaries.

Several hundred miners are planning to stage a protest in Kiev on March 3 to force the government to pay them.

“They are taking revenge for strikes—they decided to simply draft the rebels. Many of my comrades who were blocking highways and were preparing to picket the Ministry of Energy and the Cabinet of Ministers, received draft notices,” says Aleksey, a miner from Novovolynsk. “This is even worse than the 1990s. There was hunger, but there was no war. Now it’s total chaos.”

J. Hawk’s Comment: The post-"Dignity Revolution" Ukraine is, for all intents and purposes, under martial law. The mobilization is a wonderful tool of political repression under a different name. This tactic can be applied to literally anyone in the country. I suppose the irony here is that Volhynia is Western Ukraine. Political repression: not just for Novorossia "vatniks" anymore. That’s the real usefulness of the war—if the war goes away, you couldn’t get away with this. It doesn’t necessarily mean there has to be any actual fighting. An Orwellian “1984”-style fake war, intended to keep the proles in line, will suffice. It seems to be sufficing for the junta. So that part makes perfect sense.

This one, however, does not. Somebody try to find sense in all of this: Ukraine’s coal powerplants are shutting down due to a shortage of coal, so the government is…closing coal mines in order to reduce government expenditures to meet IMF requirements, which in turn is forcing it to…buy imported coal which is now insanely expensive due to the drop in the value of hryvnya which...will force the government to actually spend more money than if it simply kept the mines open. Somebody nominate these people for a Nobel.

As an aside, the weak hryvnya makes Ukrainian coal very competitive internationally. There is every reason to keep these mines operating. But no. So the junta knows perfectly well how to employ political repression and start wars. When it comes to running an economy, however, it's a different story. As the old saying goes…

But maybe Poroshenko after all understands that something has to be done to save the economy, as it is reported he tries to limit the power of warmonger Olexandr Turchinov, who allegedly has tried to sabotage the Minsk 2 by sending the Azov battalion into battle: http://fortruss.blogspot.dk/2015/02/poroshenko-moves-to-limit-turchinovs.html

Therefore it seems that the power structure in Kiev is far from unified.

One thought that crossed my mind was, why so much equipment was left by the Ukrainian army inDebaltsevo. It is true that the there was an offer to leave the weapons intact and surrender, but some left the weapons without surrendering. Why? The reason could be that there were sections of the army or volunteer batallions or the National Guard whose task was to shoot people if they withdrew from the battle. Under such circumstances there would be no other option for a responsible commander who wished to save his soldiers than to withdraw quietly and quickly without blowing up the equipment and ammunition thus giving away his withdrawal.

 

[thorbiorn]

Considering that some jewish oligarchs in Ukraine apparently are aligned with or support radical Ukrainian nationalists it needs to be said that there fortunately are Jews who disagree with the radical nationalism in Ukraine and other Eastern European countries who have tried or even succeeded to rewrite the history of the past:

Russian Jewish community blasts Ukraine and Baltics nations for glorifying Nazi collaborators
Published time: February 27, 2015 12:27

And when we mention the Baltic states something interesting reportedly happened during a TV show in Lithuania:

82% of Lithuanian viewers support Russia
February 25, 2015 Mikle1
Translated by Kristina Rus

Lithuanian TV station TV3 held a survey which aimed to discredit Russia, but the results were just the opposite.

The viewers were asked: "Do you see a growth in Russian propaganda in Lithuania?".

The vast majority of viewers (82%) replied that "It is not propaganda. Russia is telling the truth". 12% of viewers agreed with the channel. The others didn't notice much at all.

These results even confused the news anchor Renata Shakalite-Yakovleva, who didn't know how to comment on it, and quickly passed the word to a colleague. Then she finally said "technicians of the portal are very suspicious of the active response to the survey."

The survey was timed with the statement of the Department of State Security of Lithuania that intelligence agencies are observing Russia's increasing efforts to incite the information war.

Of course we don't know which segment of society saw this show, or at what time it was aired, or in which part of the country, and we don't know if it was indeed rigged in some way. But if we assume for a moment that it is correct within 10 % then it gives hope that although it appears the US has succeeded with the propaganda sufficiently to have governments in place who support the US, some people are still thinking.

 

[Jo Bugman]

Breaking news: Boris Nemtsov was killed in the center of Moscow.
http://www.sott.net/article/293212-Preparing-the-ground-for-Russian-Maidan-Opposition-politician-Boris-Nemtsov-killed-in-the-center-of-Moscow

Now we will see the whole charade unfolding before us.

Unbelievable. I just watched a travel show about Russia this morning and they had an interview with him in it.

Here's a scene of it ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EbtlpmdS4o (Poor quality though).

I remember sitting there thinking, "Who is this guy", and now he's dead.

 

[Inquorate]

The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Looks like the western methods is trying to frame Putin for the spring death of an opposition leader in Moscow.
_http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-28/boris-nemtsov-shot-dead-in-russia/6270716

"Mr Nemtsov had been quoted as saying he was concerned that the president might want him dead over his opposition to the conflict in Ukraine"

 

[mkrnhr]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

If he really did say that then he's (was, whatever) an idiot because it's an open invitation for murder to any opportunistic party that wants to frame Putin with an assassination red flag operation. The western propaganda machine will soon be on the march with some nonsense again.

 

[s-kur]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

I don't want to be compromising or something else, really, but I wonder if there's any opportunity of RuGov's participation to killing the person? I mean as Putin's government as well betrayers that sat in Kremlin? I was thinking about it because we can observe partly falling of western propaganda, and that event might cause amplification of people's fret and comrehension of world situation.
Anyway B.N. was a propag-man having defended Navalny and Co. Just another used agent.

Probaly, such an option most likely nonsense, just wanted to share thoughts.

 

[mkrnhr]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Actually it would be completely idiotic for any government to do such a thing, especially to a nobody on the political scene, and certainly not in broad daylight in the streets of the capital. This guy will become a symbol of "liberty", "freedom", "democracy" for the western media presstitutes, and for the ignorant masses, which is yet another symptom of the depths of lies this world is plunging into.

 

[Siberia]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Actually it would be completely idiotic for any government to do such a thing, especially to a nobody on the political scene, and certainly not in broad daylight in the streets of the capital. This guy will become a symbol of "liberty", "freedom", "democracy" for the western media presstitutes, and for the ignorant masses, which is yet another symptom of the depths of lies this world is plunging into.

Indeed. Nemtsov news is already on top of Twitter and 99% of tweets are 'anti-Putin' and 'pro-liberty.' Sickening.

I agree with the Saker that it's yet another MH17 against Putin which is even stronger than Politkovskaya and Litvinenko combined (in terms of ponerizing people's minds).

 

[Inquorate]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/27/nemtsovs-assassination-propaganda-attack-putin/

 

[whitecoast]

Russian opposition leader shot dead in Moscow

_https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/27/russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov-reportedly-shot-dead-in-moscow/


"Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, 55, a leading critic of President Vladimir Putin, was shot dead in central Moscow early Saturday, according to Russian media reports. He was reportedly shot four times in the chest, while walking home near the Kremlin, by several assailants who opened fire on Nemtsov and a woman with him."


As you can predict, pre-cognitive twittersphere knows who the culprit is before the Kremlin does, and is blaming Putin for it. Hearing the type of policies and causes he's supported (such as in 2012 asking for NATO sanctions against individuals in Putin's government -- PRE-MAIDAN, and demanding that Russia stop invading Ukraine), I'm not going to lose sleep over him. He could have been killed by thugs for being so overtly dishonest and treasonous. He could also have been killed by the west to "prove" that Putin is Literally Hitler. Money's on the latter, but who knows.


He is always portrayed as The Opposition Leader of Russia, which isn't the case by any means. The lead opposition is the Communist Party, NOT the Liberals. That they are propped up an bolstered as the western media's Darling is very telling.

 

[Korzik18]

Re: The War against Putin; Russian opposition leader, shot dead in central

Yes, my first thought - Nemtsov made sacrificial sheep by his owners. And then in the morning news broadcast on the channel RBC (not pronounced, but the opposition = unobjective channel) with sorrow in his voice comrades BN has no evidence accuse the Kremlin, Putin, and from America are screaming about the increasing pressure on Moscow because, that was killed by Putin's main enemy.
Here's a coincidence: BN killed the day before the long-planned opposition march "Spring" (now it will march memory Nemtsov)!