Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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President Poroshenko has officially legitimized Ukrainian nationalists' makeshift blockade of the Donbass republics, approving a National Security and Defense Council directive to terminate all freight traffic to the breakaways. Ukrainian officials and lawmakers, Kiev's Western patrons, and all manner of experts have united in condemning the move.

On the Precipice: Poroshenko's Gov't, US, EU Attack Him Over Donbass Blockade
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703171051699643-poroshenko-donbass-blockade-analysis/

On Thursday, Petro Poroshenko signed a decree officially severing the rail connection with the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. A makeshift blockade of the railway tracks between Ukraine and the breakaways, initiated by a few radical lawmakers and nationalist volunteer fighters, had been in place since late January.

The blockade led to the disruption of the delivery of anthracite coal to Ukraine, crucial to the country's network of power plants, forcing Kiev to introduce emergency measures to avoid rolling blackouts. Curiously, however, Kiev refused to reign in the nationalists, even as it counted its mounting financial losses. Authorities from the Donbass republics formally responded to the blockade by nationalizing Ukrainian enterprises in the area earlier this month.

Before officially legitimizing it Thursday, Poroshenko had complained about the blockade's devastating effects for Ukraine's economy, and even asked the Ministry of Finance to calculate the expected losses. However, this week, something happened, and Poroshenko shifted his position 180 degrees, saying that the formalization of the blockade would somehow "ensure the restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty in Donbass," "return captured enterprises" and help in the implementation of the cease-fire.

The president's awkward shift has led to intense criticism from within the government and even within Poroshenko's own support base in parliament. Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman complained that the blockade would slow economic growth, and recalled that the radicals' makeshift blockade starting in January had caused "serious energy problems."

Poroshenko Bloc Mustafa Nayyem, a prominent Maidan activist turned-politician, also criticized the president's move, warning that the blockade puts Kiev at risk of permanently losing Donbass.

Ukraine's opposition lawmakers were even more critical, predicting that the blockade could result in up to a 10% drop in Ukraine's GDP.

Opposition Bloc MP Vadim Novinsky told Ukrainian TV that "in the metallurgical sector alone, we predict a $3.5 billion total decrease in foreign exchange earnings. These billions in funds which have not been received will put pressure on the hryvnia and may very well pull it down."

According to the lawmaker's calculations, over 150 large budget- and city-forming enterprises will suffer from the blockade directly, along with their 130,000 employees. As for the smaller and medium-sized enterprises, "their numbers will reach hundreds, if not thousands," Novinsky stressed. This is expected to lead to an increase in the unemployment rate of up to half a percentage point, pushing it up to 10.4%, he said.

Novinsky recalled that before the blockade started, Donbass enterprises had provided tens of billions of hryvnia – equivalent to several billion dollars, in tax revenues, into Kiev's coffers. "This was billions of dollars. Now, we are waiting for a $1 billion loan from the IMF as if it were a manna from heaven. Where is the logic?" the lawmaker asked.

In an interesting turn of events, Kiev's Western patrons have also criticized the president's move. On Thursday, State Department spokesman Mark Toner said that the US was monitoring the situation closely, adding that the blockade could have "serious consequences" for the implementation of the Minsk agreements aimed at ending Ukraine's civil war. France and Germany have also expressed their concern, saying that the blockade should be lifted, not turned into official policy.

Speaking to Radio Sputnik, political analyst Alexander Konkov indicated that it now looks like Kiev is actively pushing the Donbass toward complete and permanent separation from Ukraine. Nevertheless, he said that Kiev officials have their own logic. "All of this is being done to try to reset the agenda of the Ukrainian crisis – the Ukrainian conflict, in circumstances where the world's attention toward it is fading," the expert noted.

At the same time, Konkov suggested that this was "an attempt to seize the initiative and up the ante in the dialogue with the US and the EU, to stick them with another headache…Kiev wants to force others to take responsibility for those processes which Ukraine's own leaders do not want to bear responsibility for."

For his part, Radio Sputnik contributor Vladimir Filippov was even more blunt. In a punchy op-ed for RIA Novosti, the journalist suggested that Poroshenko's options are actually very limited amid the growing political strength of radicals in Ukrainian politics.

What was Poroshenko supposed to say?…That radicals have taken the upper hand, that he, as a cunning leader, decided to take charge of the protest, rather than becoming a victim of this radical lawlessness?" Filippov asked. The observer stressed that in contemporary Ukraine, "radicals are power. Therefore, Poroshenko is with them."

"And there's more," the analyst noted. "The blockade of the Donbass is not a political issue, but a question of money…The DPR and LPR's decision to introduce external management of enterprises under Ukrainian jurisdiction was the final blow to the interests of many in Kiev. Such things cannot simply be forgiven."

Ultimately, Filippov suggested that Poroshenko will probably be able to get away the blockade as far as Kiev's European patrons are concerned. "He will claim that the separatists themselves are to blame for everything – that they are the ones stifling the young Ukrainian revolution via a blockade – that they are encroaching on the democratic freedoms of the European Union, and the EU itself as well. He will again tell them that were it not for him – Poroshenko, wild hordes of Donbass insurgents and Russian occupiers would be marching through the streets of Berlin, Paris and Brussels."

What's more interesting, the journalist wrote, will be to see Brussels' long-term reaction to the current schizophrenia in Kiev. "The question worth asking is: what kind fancy footwork will the EU do to try to show the world that they were right to throw all of their bureaucratic and political strength behind the Maidan?" Filippov asked.

Ultimately, only time will tell whether Poroshenko will be forced to back down from his decision to formalize the blockade, in light of the pressures coming from all sides. In any case, what's clear is that the longer Kiev's Maidan authorities remain in power, the more Ukraine's long-term territorial integrity seems to be threatened.
 
Apparently Donbass blockade to cost Kiev 3.3 billion € in lost revenue; Donetsk coal is now rolling to Russia http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/donbass-blockade-to-cost-kiev-33.html and http://www.stalkerzone.org/tymoshenko-kolomoisky-co-still-havent-killed-poroshenko/

At the moment Ukraine is almost set to become more of a wasteland. If the energy supply is very much affected, how will they manage the nulear power stations, as some of the radioactive materials have to be cooled down during repairs.

Not only will the UA loose 3,3 billion, they will also loose jobs. Where will people go? To Russia? To Poland? But there is more than Ukraine, as has been suspected since long, the next in line is Belarus:

Belarus arrests "armed provocateurs," Lukashenko points finger at Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/belarus-arrests-armed-provocateurs.html

Next after Ukraine -- Belarus: US trains activists to promote "reforms"http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/next-after-ukraine-belarus-us-trains.html

Is the plan to make a controlled demolition of all countries along the eastern borders of Russia, to create more mayhem and regional instability on the collective level and shocked, traumatized people on the individual lever? Or is is the plan to make a demolition of most of Europe beginning in the East?

In a book (in Danish) written by a former SS soldier on the Eastern front, there are several passages, that can shine a light on the present situation. Fx:

"Without the destruction of Germany along with its overly national self-consciousness, the road for a new Europe would never have been founded. The new Germany is at the prime force for this great idea and has clearly realized that the destiny of Europe and its future is dependent on a unified Europe." [page 270 in Søren Kam. (2015) "Et liv uden fædreland" Edited by Mikkel Kirkebæk and John T. Lauridsen. København: Lindhardt & Ringhof.]

Kam is subscribing to the idea that occasional destruction is the way to creating something new. Relating this perspective to Ukraine, is the plan to smash the country in spite of supporting the present nationalists, so that later what is left will willingly give in to new colonizers from the West (or Israel, Poland, Turkey)?. What possibilities are there on the other side of the gradual destruction? At the moment some help creating it, others speculate in organizing it, others think of how to avoid the chaos,or are worried by fear, some seem to condem themselves by ignoring what is happening not so far away, but which they make not effort to resist, and some may see it is as experience from which to learn and evolve.
 
The gunman shot former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov four times in Kiev, Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko said Thursday.

Russian Ex-Lawmaker Voronenkov Shot 4 Times - Ukraine Prosecutor General
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051887422-voronenkov-shot-4-times/

23.03.2017 - According to him, around 20 shells were found on site of the murder.

Earlier reports said the suspected killer had been wounded by a security guard of the ex-lawmaker.

"The killer has two wounds to the chest and head. A penetrating shot to the head prevents us from carrying out investigation work with him now. The killer is on the verge of death. His cardiac performance is maintained artificially. He cannot be contacted at the moment," Lutsenko said at a briefing.

The Russian former lawmaker was shot dead in central Kiev.

Earlier in the day, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Putin was briefed on Voronenkov's death in Kiev. He added that Ukraine was unable to ensure Voronenkov's safety and stressed that "we hope that the killer and those who are behind those actions will be identified."

Denis Voronenkov, along with his wife, also a former State Duma deputy, Maria Maksakova, left Russia last year and soon received Ukrainian citizenship. The ex-lawmaker himself claimed political reasons are behind his departure, but the Russian Investigative Committee considered Voronenkov's move as an attempt to hide from the investigation as the former deputy was arrested in absentia over the case of an illegal seizure of a building in Moscow.

After moving to Kiev, Voronenkov testified to the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine against former President Viktor Yanukovych.


The suspected killer of Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov was wanted on charges of sham business and laundering of proceeds, the newspaper Obozrevatel said Thursday quoting informed sources.

Suspected Killer of Ex-Russian Lawmaker in Ukraine Allegedly Was on Wanted List
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051886969-voronenkov-murder-suspect/

According to the newspaper, the suspect received a gunshot wound to the head, chest and leg.

"The killer of the ex-lawmaker of the Russian State Duma Denis Voronenkov was on the wanted list…. It also became known that the killer was born in 1988. He was wanted by law enforcement officials of the city of Dnipro for committing crimes under articles 205 and 209 of Ukrainian Criminal Code (Sham business and laundering of proceeds from crime)," Obozrevatel said.


The Ukrainian president links the murder of former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov to the explosion at the arms depot in the Kharkiv region that occured earlier in the day.

Poroshenko Links Voronenkov's Murder to Arms Depot Blasts Near Kharkiv
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051883305-poroshenko-ukraine-murder-blast/

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko believes the fact that former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov was killed on the same day with the explosion at the arms depot in the Kharkiv region is not a coincidence, Poroshenko's press secretary Svyatoslav Tsegolko said Thursday.

“I do not find it coincidental that the murder occurred on the same day with the sabotage in Balakliya in the Kharkiv region,” Tsegolko wrote on his Facebook page citing Poroshenko's words.

On Thursday, a fire broke out at a large munitions depot in the Kharkiv region triggering detonation and prompting evacuation of 15,000 residents.
Ukraine's Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak said Kiev was considering sabotage as a possible cause of the blaze.


Two people were injured overnight after a munitions depot in eastern Ukraine caught fire, causing the weapons to detonate, the local 112 Ukraina television channel reported on Thursday, citing police sources.

Arms Depot Blasts Injure 2 in Ukraine's Kharkiv Region – Reports
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051883971-arms-depot-ukraine-injured/

A huge blaze and ensuing explosions at the military facility in the city of Balakliia in the Kharkiv region prompted 15,000 people to evacuate, according to the State Emergency Service of Ukraine. Investigators are looking into a possible sabotage.

Kharkiv Governor Yuliya Svitlychna told the broadcaster earlier in the day there were no reports that anyone had been killed or injured in the incident.


On Tuesday, a group of representatives from the United States, Spain and the Czech Republic arrived in Lviv for a three-day examination of Ukrainian military facilities.

West 'Anxious' Trying to Find 'Way Out' of Ukrainian Conundrum
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051871528-west-ukraine-problems/

"A multinational inspection group arrived to Lviv to inspect a defined location under the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE)," the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

The ministry added that the goal of the inspection was to control the observation of troop ceilings set by the treaty.

The CFE Treaty was agreed during the last years of the Cold War and was signed in 1990 between 16 NATO member states and six Warsaw Treaty states. The document established limits on the main categories of conventional military equipment in Europe. In particular, the treaty was aimed at preventing a military potential for a surprise attack or large-scale offensive actions in Europe.

In an interview with Radio Sputnik, Rostislav Ishchenko, head of the Center for Systemic Analysis and Prognosis, drew a parallel between the current situation in Ukraine and the situation in Afghanistan, back when the West used it in the standoff against the Soviet Union.

In terms of relations with the West, Ukraine resembles Afghanistan to some extent. Back in the day, the West fueled the turmoil in Afghanistan to irritate Moscow," Ishchenko.

However, according to the analyst, there is a difference between the two situations.

"As for Afghanistan, the West achieved the goal for 10 years, and only then Afghanistan became a headache for them. But the Ukrainian scenario did not work and Ukraine immediately turned into a problem for the West," he pointed out.

He added that the West understands that and is now trying to find a way out.

The West is not trying to use Ukraine to screw over Russia. They are struggling to get out of this mess. The West understands that Ukraine is in a deep political crisis and the situation could reach the point of no return already this year. The West is anxious because it wouldn’t like the consequences,"
Ishchenko concluded.


Ukraine's parliament passed a resolution on Wednesday, asking the United States to grant it the status of a major non-NATO ally.

Ukraine Asks US for 'Major Non-NATO Ally' Status
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703221051836422-ukraine-us-ally/

The resolution, addressing US Congress, was backed by 232 lawmakers and cleared the parliament after previously failing to attain the required 226 votes.

"In line with the spirit of the Bucharest Memorandum [on Security Assurances] and the developing strategic partnership between our states we ask the US to consider a defense agreement with Ukraine and grant it the status of a major non-NATO ally," the resolution said.

The Ukrainian legislature cited successful military alliances of this kind between the United States and a number of non-NATO countries, including Australia, New Zealand and Japan, as an alternative to full NATO membership.

In December 2014, Ukraine cancelled its non-aligned status, confirming its intention to join NATO. Poroshenko said a referendum on NATO membership would be held by 2020, after all NATO requirements are met.

In February 2017, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko voiced his plan to hold a referendum on the issue of NATO membership.
 
In a post on Stalkerzone.org they refer to a Polish film by Wojciech Smarzowski which is set at the time of the Volyn massacre: _http://www.stalkerzone.org/volyn-massacre-polish-film-ukrainians-not-ready-see/ With the following trailer with English subs:
There is a full Russian subtitled version here: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSBeiM1PNE it is 2:23 One can read about the film here _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia_(film) from where one reads:
Reception in Poland
In Tadeusz Sobolewski's opinion, Volhynia is a movie without precedents in Polish cinema after 1989.[11] Piotr Zychowicz and Pawel Lisicki praised the movie, underlying its authenticity and historical accuracy.[12][13] Grażyna Torbicka and Tomasz Raczek both expressed surprise the film had not received the main award at the 2016 Gdynia Film Festival in Poland.[14] Jakub Majmurek wrote that Volhynia has met his high expectations and is one of the best movie describing the history of the "bleeding lands." The author also believes that the director of the movie, Smarzowski, presented the relations between Poles and Ukrainians honestly, and the notion of the movie is a warning against any form of radicalism.[15] Ewa Siemaszko, who cooperates with the Institute of National Remembrance to uncover the historical facts of the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, thinks that the movie shows the events accurately. She quoted opinions of witnesses of the genocide, who said the movie is like a documentary on the events in Volhynia. Ewa Siemaszko additionally remarked that the massacres of Poles in Volhynia was genocide with exceptional cruelty – "genocidium atrox". It was a fierce, cruel and terrible genocide.[16]

Reception in Germany
According to Gerhard Gnauck, Volhynia is the movie the Polish society has been waiting for a very long time. On the occasion of Volhynia's premiere, Gnauck recalled the history of the region and the Polish-Ukrainian relations. The author cited expectations of some political experts that the movie may cold the relations, arouse negative emotions in Ukraine and be exploited by the Russians to unleash anti-Ukrainian propaganda. Gnauck has underlined the episode of Zosia and her child seeking shelter around a unit of the German Army. In Gnauck's opinion, the movie is very good and balance the rights of both sides.[17]

Film banned in Ukraine
Following the recommendation of the Ukrainian ambassador to Poland, Andriy Deszczyca, the film's showing in Ukraine has been banned.
Reportedly, the censorship was rationalized by the Ukrainian authorities alleging that the film "could cause unrest on the streets of Kiev." The head of the Ukrainian Association in Poland, Piotr Tyma, supported the ban asserting that the film undermines the Polish-Ukrainian reconciliation efforts. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian media accused the director of making a biased movie without seeing it.[18] The first such screening was planned by the Polish embassy in Kiev. It was to have been followed by a discussion with the director. Among the Ukrainian guests invited to attend was the country’s president, prime minister and some MPs. However, Ukraine’s foreign ministry strongly recommended that the Polish embassy call off the screening for the sake of "public order". Accordingly, the Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Rafał Sobczak said that the introductory screening had been cancelled. Talks might be held about possible new date of limited viewing.[19] The Polish Institute in Kiev followed the recommendation from Ukraine's foreign ministry and called-off the presentation of a film set against the backdrop of World War II massacres.[20]
During the production of the film some Ukrainian actors, invited to play characters, rejected the offer after reading about them. They refused because they thought the movie propagates hate.[21] Nevertheless, the film received positive reception from Nadiya Savchenko, member of the Ukrainian parliament, who welcomes the opportunity to talk about painful events of the past while noting many positive developments in Polish-Ukrainian relations of today.[22][23]
Nadiya Savchenko apparently knows something about pain, she knows that one can't always run away from it, belittle it, or suppress it, she knows that one can work with it and evolve.
 
What do you think when seeing the pictures from Balakleya? When I see the explosions, I am happy it does not explode somewhere else...
There are rumours of increased radiation in the background _http://www.stalkerzone.org/poroshenko-calls-natos-help-demine-balakleya/. At least Poroshenko is worried and asks NATO to help demine the area; a bit weired, if it was just ordinary ammunition that went off with no heavily polluting stuff. Or is Poroshenko using the opportunity to ask for replacements for all the wares they have destroyed?
 
thorbiorn said:
What do you think when seeing the pictures from Balakleya? When I see the explosions, I am happy it does not explode somewhere else...
There are rumours of increased radiation in the background _http://www.stalkerzone.org/poroshenko-calls-natos-help-demine-balakleya/. At least Poroshenko is worried and asks NATO to help demine the area; a bit weired, if it was just ordinary ammunition that went off with no heavily polluting stuff. Or is Poroshenko using the opportunity to ask for replacements for all the wares they have destroyed?

Thanks for Posting the video, Thorbiorn. Do you think Poroshenko has something to do with the fire and explosion? And why does Poroshenko "find it coincidental that the murder occurred on the same day with the sabotage?" Was Denis Voronenkov and his Wife, both former Russian lawmakers who also attained Ukrainian citizenship - a threat to Poroshenko staying in power? I am getting the feeling, the fire and explosion at the military depot was meant to give cover for Voronenkov's assassination? Voronenkov's body guards killed the assassin, so it's more complicated to uncover the motive?

Poroshenko Links Voronenkov's Murder to Arms Depot Blasts Near Kharkiv
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051883305-poroshenko-ukraine-murder-blast/

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko believes the fact that former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov was killed on the same day with the explosion at the arms depot in the Kharkiv region is not a coincidence, Poroshenko's press secretary Svyatoslav Tsegolko said Thursday.

“I do not find it coincidental that the murder occurred on the same day with the sabotage in Balakliya in the Kharkiv region,” Tsegolko wrote on his Facebook page citing Poroshenko's words.
 
The video is no longer available, apparently. It has been removed by the YT user. :evil:

Does anyone know a suitable alternative ?
 
Palinurus said:
The video is no longer available, apparently. It has been removed by the YT user. :evil:

Does anyone know a suitable alternative ?
The Saker has published a report that contains several videos:
http://thesaker.is/balakleya-munitions-depot-disaster-ukraine-sitrep/ .
 
Palinurus said:
The video is no longer available apparently. It has been removed by the YT user. :evil:

Does anyone know a suitable alternative ?

That is interesting. I was able to view it about 2 hours ago, Palinurus. Fort Russ is featuring 2 short video clips of the fire/explosion. In the first video, it shows a night time scene of the fire and then - what looks like a missile flies above the smoke and lands a distance away. The video that plays right after it, which is 5 minutes long, shows a day time view and you can hear the detonations going off. In the second video listed below, day time view and sounds of continuous explosions and sirens. A very dangerous situation with ammo going off in all direction.

Ukraine's largest weapons depot up in flames, exploding (PHOTOS+VIDEOS)
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/03/ukraines-largest-weapons-depot-up-in.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCjUPvxiwdU (0:50 min.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hml9svZM6zs (2:02 min.)

Early Thursday morning, inhabitants of the small town of Balakleya in Ukraine’s Kharkov region woke up to explosions. As it turned out, the country’s largest munition depot, carrying a total of 138,000 tons of shells, located just outside the city has caught fire and is exploding. This has since been confirmed by Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense.

20,000 local residents have been evacuated from the warehouse area. “People just took their documents and ran out of their homes,” local residents told media. No one has been reported as injured.

The first wave of the evacuation has been completed. The bulk of the population has been evacuated by buses. Now the buses are returning to evacuate the rest. Specialists are now going from house to house to check who’s left,” Balakleya’s district administration has stated.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also released a statement: “Today, March 23rd, at 2:45 A.M., a fire started in certain areas of the weapons base located in the city of Balakleya in the Kharkov region. All measures are being taken to contain and extinguish the fire on the spot.”

Ukraine’s military prosecutor, Anatoly Matios, has declared a “security zone” in the area and called the incident an act of sabotage.

A government commission is being sent to the area including Deputy Defense Minister Igor Pavlovsky, officers from the Ministry of Defense and General Staff, and Prime Minister Vladimir Groysman. Heavy fire-fighting forces are working at the scene, but so far the disaster has not been quelled.
 
griffin said:
Palinurus said:
The video is no longer available, apparently. It has been removed by the YT user. :evil:

Does anyone know a suitable alternative ?
The Saker has published a report that contains several videos:
http://thesaker.is/balakleya-munitions-depot-disaster-ukraine-sitrep/ .

Thanks for Posting the additional information and two videos, Griffin. The videos featured by Saker really shows a vivid display of the projectiles flying out of the flames and landing a distance away. Very dramatic. I would be concerned - that the projectiles would spread the fire by burning down homes in other locations? And the only thing that Poroshenko is worried about is having NATO come in to de-mine?
 
angelburst29 said:
thorbiorn said:
Thanks for Posting the video, Thorbiorn. Do you think Poroshenko has something to do with the fire and explosion? And why does Poroshenko "find it coincidental that the murder occurred on the same day with the sabotage?" Was Denis Voronenkov and his Wife, both former Russian lawmakers who also attained Ukrainian citizenship - a threat to Poroshenko staying in power? I am getting the feeling, the fire and explosion at the military depot was meant to give cover for Voronenkov's assassination? Voronenkov's body guards killed the assassin, so it's more complicated to uncover the motive?
Poroshenko Links Voronenkov's Murder to Arms Depot Blasts Near Kharkiv
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201703231051883305-poroshenko-ukraine-murder-blast/

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko believes the fact that former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov was killed on the same day with the explosion at the arms depot in the Kharkiv region is not a coincidence, Poroshenko's press secretary Svyatoslav Tsegolko said Thursday.

“I do not find it coincidental that the murder occurred on the same day with the sabotage in Balakliya in the Kharkiv region,” Tsegolko wrote on his Facebook page citing Poroshenko's words.
Just like medias and many politicians in the US and Europe blame any event, no matter how unprobable, on Russia, so does Poroshenko. He needs to interpret all events as if they are related to an external threat, because it helps him to convince others that at least as far a Ukraine is concerned, he is in full control. But what if the murder was just a criminal act, or if the fire occurred as a result of drunken stupidity or even sabotage among the UAF soldiers? Then Poroshenko would not appear as a strong leader that is worth keeping for the sake of the future, he would appear as the leader of a country where there is no law and order and where the soldiers have a low moral. Poroshenko can't afford such a situation.

Another small observation was that the murder and the fire came after Ukraine denied the Russian Eurovision 2017 singer, Julia Samoylova, entry into Ukraine. I had wondered how the medias in Western Europe would react to the banning of perhaps the first wheel chair bound singer in the history of the contest, but they turned out to be totally indifferent:
_http://tass.com/politics/936921 said:
Diplomat points to Kiev’s ban on Russian Eurovision singer as ‘moment of truth’ for EU
March 22, 18:42 UTC+3
Kiev’s intelligence agency has barred Russian wheelchair-bound contestant Yulia Samoilova from entering Ukraine for the next three years
MOSCOW, March 22. /TASS/. Ukrainian Security Service’s entry ban for Russia’s Eurovision contestant Yulia Samoilova is a watershed for the European community, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on Facebook on Wednesday.
"I think it is a moment of truth for the European community: whether it will toe the line of Ukraine’s Security Service and will motivate Ukrainian radicals to conduct further ‘exploits’ … or will prove that Europe with its fundamental values, which Ukrainian politicians have been always supporting in words, is still alive," Zakharova said.
[...]
Earlier on Wednesday, reports came that the SBU barred Russian singer Yulia Samoilova from entering Ukraine in the next three years. The SBU claims that performing in Crimea in the summer of 2015, Samoilova violated Ukrainian government’s resolution obliging foreigners to receive permits for visits to the Black Sea peninsula.
_http://tass.com/society/937193 said:
European broadcasters investigating options to ensure Russia’s participation in Eurovision
March 24, 2:37 UTC+3
On Wednesday, Ukraine issued a three-year entry ban against Samoilova for her performance at a festival in Crimea
_http://tass.com/world/937152 said:
Ukraine forbids Russian Eurovision contestant to perform via satellite
March 23, 19:35 UTC+3
The European Broadcasting Union was disappointed with Ukrainian authorities’ decision and urged Kiev to find a compromise solution

Now, it was of course very convenient that the the focus could shift from Ukrainian absence of benevolence to the usual themes of blaming Russia, with the murder and the explosion in Balakleya...
About the murder there is something suspect, since the person the Ukraine authorities had framed is alive. First there was this report where Kiev spins a story:
More:_http://tass.com/world/937248 said:
Kiev reveals identity of Russian politician's killer
March 24, 12:19 UTC+3
Ex-Russian State Duma member Voronenkov was gunned down in a shootout in Kiev on Thursday
[...]
Gerashchenko says that "in Russia, before returning to Ukraine he (Parshov) underwent a course of special training at a school for saboteurs created by the NKVD security police during Stalin rule."

The official confirmed that Voronenkov’s killer "served for one year in a National Guard unit but took no part in combat operations and retired of his own accord in August 2016." He said the investigators were probing into all circumstances related to the preparations for and planning of Voronenkov’s murder.

"The investigators have found out a lot over the hours since the moment of the killing,"
he remarked.

Denis Voronenkov was murdered in Kiev on March 23 in a brief shootout at the entrance to Premier Palace Hotel. The head of Kiev’s police Andrey Krishchenko said the incident occurred at about 13:00 Moscow time, when Voronenkov was leaving the hotel in the company of his bodyguards. At that moment the attacker approached him and fired several shots with a handgun. Voronenkov’s bodyguard returned fire. The bodyguard and the attacker were injured and taken to hospital. The killer died in hospital hours later.
But they had not found out much! Much of what he said was a lie, a complete lie:
_http://tass.com/world/937248 said:
KIEV, March 24. /TASS/. Ex-Russian MP’s suspected assassin’s ‘double’ pops up in Ukraine
March 24, 16:59 UTC+3
Earlier, Kiev confirmed that the murder was committed by a Ukrainian citizen Pavel Parshov who served in the country’s National Guard
Ukrainian citizen Pavel Parshov, deemed the suspected killer of former Russian State Duma lawmaker Denis Voronenkov, is alive and is confused about the situation, Ukraine’s Vesti newspaper wrote on Friday citing the man’s lawyer.

[...]
Media reports said the suspected assassin of Voronenkov had been placed on a wanted list by Ukraine’s law enforcers for illegal activity such as fraudulent deals and money laundering. The information on Parshov is right, and Ukraine’s law enforcers will have to find out if this is just a coincidence or the killer "stole" the biography of another man.

Voronenkov, the former State Duma member from the Communist Party, was gunned down in a shootout near the entrance to Premier Palace Hotel in downtown Kiev on Thursday. The attacker approached him and fired several shots with a handgun. Voronenkov’s bodyguard returned fire. The bodyguard and the attacker were wounded and taken to hospital. The killer died in hospital hours later.

In December 2014, Voronenkov was stripped of his parliamentary immunity in connection with criminal proceedings over the seizure of a building in central Moscow. In October 2016, Voronenkov fled to Ukraine. In February this year, he was formally charged with fraud and put on an international wanted list.
Now, they are looking for a second person:
_http://tass.com/world/937201 said:
Police search for second suspect in Russia’s ex-MP murder in Kiev
March 24, 2:45 UTC+3
All further information on the issue is withheld for investigative purposes
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I saw in one article that only 1 in 10 crimes are solved in Ukraine. My guess is that this murder is not going to be one of them if the political narrative is better than the factual.

What do the Russian commentators think?
http://tass.com/pressreview/937225 said:
Press Review
March 24, 13:00 UTC+3
Top stories in the Russian press on Friday, March 24
Media: Kiev rushes to blame Moscow for ex-MP’s murder

So far, Thursday’s killing of former Russian lawmaker Denis Voronenkov who had testified in the case of ex-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich, still remains an unsolved mystery. However, the incumbent Ukrainian leader, Pyotr Poroshenko, predictably dubbed his murder "an act of terrorism on the part of Russia," Izvestia writes. Yet, some experts and politicians believe Kiev could have orchestrated the murder, subsequently laying the blame on Moscow, others say that “criminal showdowns” were the true motive.

Former Ukrainian Prime Minister Nikolay Azarov told the paper that Voronenkov was in no way linked to Yanukovich and dismissed Poroshenko’s theory as "idle talk." Verkhovna Rada member Yevgeny Murayev said in an interview with Izvestia that the killing could have both the political and "commercial" implications.

"Voronenkov had fallen out with some senior officials in Russia’s special services and moved to Kiev, where he began to give testimony hinting that he has a large amount of information, which means that he was a threat to some security officials in Russia," Ukrainian political analyst Vadim Karasyov told Vedomosti.

His Russian counterpart, Nikolay Petrov, told the paper that, while a number of people in Russia may have been dissatisfied with the former MP, those were not necessarily Moscow and the Kremlin. "I believe the first version is connected with Voronenkov’s business and the reasons that prompted him to flee Russia and seek Ukrainian citizenship, while his political statements were a means of acquiring Ukrainian citizenship," he said.

Meanwhile, Professor Oleg Matveichev from the Higher School of Economics, emphasized in an interview with Izvestia that "everything is going on according to the same plan," Kiev seeking to vilify Russia at every turn. "Kiev needed Voronenkov not because of some secrets or testimony. The only benefit he held for Kiev was his elimination, and consequently blaming Moscow for everything, while launching into a tirade about it," the expert explained.
Apart from these reasons there could also be a third force, not directly related to Ukraine, or Russia but who has an interest in keeping the heat high.

The link I posted before to the ammunition depo Balakleya is dead. Here is one from Euronews, which of course is parroting blaming Russia, but the picture is ok: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrKGyNUueI Notice that the reporte uses the expression "apocalyptic scenes"
Here some drone footage which actually gives a better view: _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi1Qg-r7axE
From the drone it does not look like all will go up in flames, but it sure is burnng. Interestingly, the title of the song by Julia Samoilova was "Flame is Burning" _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu5kSWkZqOI If anything it has symbolic meaning.
 
This video is in Ukrainian (reporter) and Russian (some people)
He says the military base covers 350 hectars and that 125.000 tons of artillery amunition stored in the place. Local people are interviewed and one lone man says that they heard a drone in the night and that this is the second time, same tale as on Wikipedia.

In the next video, all in Russian, they say that there are 140.000 pieces of artillery ammunition, but that the exact figure is secret. He says that three aresenals are affected. The fire began in an area where large calliber artillery ammunition was stored. In the video they say that the military command already has deemed it a saboatage, as I understand, but the reporter mentions that since the year 2000 this is the 8th such event at a Ukrainian military installations. (People who are better in Russian can verify.) They say only 2 people are reported wounded, but the reporter doubts it, considering the extent of the damages. Some local expects the fire to carry on for 5-7 days. Loads of fire engines are parked away from the event.

In the next video, the reporter is just a few hundred meters from the explosions, he walks around and takes a look at still smoking shells. He mentions that local people says a military commission had arrived the day before the fire began, apparently to prepare to send some stuff off to the ATO zone, as it is called in UA lingo. And then, that part begins around 3:50, he mentions the unblievable coincidence that this fire occured. He walks around, films artillery shells going high into the air, then something explodes behind him and one hears glass being broken. From his own estimate he is closer than some of the soldiers who hide behind cars, and I believe it.

One guy, obviously living nearby, explains that they woke up at 2:02 AM, which means the fire began earlier than reported in several other places. At 7:30 in the video, what I hear is that there are western military (west Ukrainian or "instructors"?), and the guy blames their carelessness for the fire and for the local people now having broken homes. Everyone has left apparently but this guy does not care much about artillery shells. However he is not alone, there is also a woman, although I am not sure they are related. She explains that they did not receive much help, it was a big confusion when people packed their bags and ran away at 2 in the morning.

So far, I have seen two testemonies about what cause of the fire. One had a drone hypothesis and the other a carelessness hypothesis. A military installation is well guarded, I think the military do know the real reason in all probability. Considering that there have been so many mishandling fires in previous years, and based on the opinion of the last witness, I would give the mishandling/human error a better mark. A drone does not do it, even if you drop a small bomb from a drone, that should not be enough to blow up the depos which most likely is protected with iron concrete. It is more likely the event began from within the depo in some way. True, sabotage is also possible, but I doubt it. It is not possible to just go into a guarded ammo depo and put a charge, otherwise it would have happened long ago. Maybe someone mismoved some of the shells, drank some vodka and smoked at the same time, near a leaking petrol truck. Or maybe a forklift dropped a pallet of ammunition?
 
Found another eye witness report in Russian, which support the mishandling hypothesis. The person who is interviewed explains that the soldies at the base are know for a lot of drinking, and he thinks this is behind the problem. The conclusion is that the generals have been negligent. He explains that shops were closed for a day, but people are returning.
 
I often have problems with verifying content in this Pravdar website, so I don't know how reliable the information is but the article features a short video clip of the murder scene.

Killed Russian MP Voronenkov wanted to surrender to Russia (Video)
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/hotspots/crimes/23-03-2017/137200-voronenkov-0/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVjuHm3XYM (0:31 min.)

Former Russian MP Denis Voronenkov, who was killed today in Kiev, said yesterday that he wanted to return to Russia and surrender to the authorities. This was revealed by a Moscow businessman Otariy Kabahidze, who is recognized as victim in Voronenkov's criminal case. T

he entrepreneur claimed that he had a conversation with Voronenkov a day before. According to him, a stranger was waiting for him near the office, and handed him over a cell phone. Voronenkov 'introduced himself and said that he wanted to come back to Russia and surrender to the authorities. He asked me to connect him with investigator directly and discuss this possibility,' Kabahidze stated. Meanwhile the killer of Voronenkov has died at the Kiev hospital, covering the traces. It was a 29 y.o. criminal with Ukrainian passport. He was wanted in Kiev because of fictitious entrepreneurship and money laundering.

The Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko though was in time to declare it as 'an act of terrorism from Russia'. So, there is no doubt that investigation will be biased. Leonid Kalashnikov, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on the CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots, commented Pravda.Ru on the issue.

'From the political viewpoint he was hardly interesting for somebody. He really did damage to Russia, but there was no reason to kill him. He did everything he could for his new masters. I believe it was done by either a patriot from some nationalist organizations (there are a lot of such in Kiev now), or it's some kind of a Ukrainian game. I admit that they could do that to compromise Russia. Most probably, these were former accomplices of Voronenkov, who had been in jail before. Some of them provided evidence against him. It might be connected with business.

Russia had no sense to kill him. It would be more reasonable to kill some fled intelligence officers, like Rezun or Kalugin for example, but not Voronenkov, who was no great shakes. He did not know anything special, any secrets. It seems to be a provocation'.
 
angelburst29 said:
I often have problems with verifying content in this Pravdar website, so I don't know how reliable the information is but the article features a short video clip of the murder scene.

Killed Russian MP Voronenkov wanted to surrender to Russia (Video)
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/hotspots/crimes/23-03-2017/137200-voronenkov-0/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVjuHm3XYM (0:31 min.)

Former Russian MP Denis Voronenkov, who was killed today in Kiev, said yesterday that he wanted to return to Russia and surrender to the authorities. This was revealed by a Moscow businessman Otariy Kabahidze, who is recognized as victim in Voronenkov's criminal case. T

The entrepreneur claimed that he had a conversation with Voronenkov a day before. According to him, a stranger was waiting for him near the office, and handed him over a cell phone. Voronenkov 'introduced himself and said that he wanted to come back to Russia and surrender to the authorities. He asked me to connect him with investigator directly and discuss this possibility,' Kabahidze stated. Meanwhile the killer of Voronenkov has died at the Kiev hospital, covering the traces. It was a 29 y.o. criminal with Ukrainian passport. He was wanted in Kiev because of fictitious entrepreneurship and money laundering.

Major propaganda - Alert!

The U.S. media spin on Voronenkov's death and the circumstances leading up to it - is pure fabrication. They back up their claim with a 22 minute video that "totally demonizes Putin" and places blame on Russia? Poroshenko was quick to classify his murder as "an act of terrorism on the part of Russia," and I surmise - Pravda's elaborate report (above) and twisting of a story line was the ground work that was further built upon in the American press?

The coincidences mount, as another Putin critic is shot dead (Video)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-coincidences-mount-as-another-putin-critic-is-shot-dead-221243934.html

An outspoken critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin was shot dead in broad daylight in Kiev Thursday, just two days after a lawyer for the family of a slain Russian whistleblower was injured in a mysterious fall from his fourth-story apartment near Moscow.

Denis Voronenkov was a former Russian Communist Party member who’d become increasingly critical of Putin’s policies after fleeing to Ukraine in 2016.

In light of his murder, which Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called an “act of state terrorism by Russia,” the Washington Post’s Moscow Bureau Chief David Filipov compiled a list of nine other Putin critics “who died violently or in suspicious ways.”

As it has after similar incidents, the Kremlin swiftly rejected any suggestion it was involved in Voronenkov’s murder. Still, Filipov argued, the people on his list had more in common than simply disapproving of the president.

“There’s a specific group of people who have ended up dead in suspicious circumstances,” he told Yahoo News and Finance Anchor Bianna Golodryga Friday.

Whether they were journalists, oligarchs or former KGB agents, almost all of the people on Filipov’s list had either been investigating alleged human rights abuses by the Russian military in Chechnya or the suspicious 1999 Moscow apartment bombings that prompted Russia to declare war on Chechnya and ultimately paved the way for Putin to become president in 2000, or they were raising questions about deaths of other people who’d tried to investigate these things.

“Essentially, it’s all about the rise to power of Putin in the late ’90s and the Chechen [war] that provided the sort of impetus” for his presidency, said Filipov.

This pattern, he said, compounded by the fact that these cases have never been solved, creates a perception that “if you criticize the Kremlin, you’re risking your life.”

However, despite plenty of “circumstantial evidence that critics of Putin end up dead,” Filipov clarified that it’s impossible to say whether he actually ordered that they be murdered or, in some cases, even wanted them dead.

For example, Putin expressed shock and outrage over the mysterious shooting of former political ally-turned-opposition leader Boris Nemtsov outside the Kremlin in 2015, vowing to ensure punishment for “the perpetrators of this vile and cynical crime.”

Over the course of Putin’s presidency, Nemtsov had become increasingly critical of the government, speaking out against human rights abuses in Chechnya, corruption, and, shortly before his death, Russian military involvement in Ukraine.

Still, Filipov said he believes Nemtsov’s murder, with four shots to the back outside the Kremlin, was not orchestrated by Putin.

“One thing people have to always consider when something goes wrong in Russia: While Putin might be ultimate authority, there are people going around hoping to get Putin’s approval,” he said, suggesting that this interest may drive people who run private security companies or work for oligarchs to think, “If we get rid of this guy, it will be good for the boss.”

“The way they say it in Russia is, ‘Nothing happens until one guy makes up his mind, but there’s 10 guys standing in line with a piece of paper saying, please make up your mind in my direction,’” Filipov said. “One theory is people do things to get attention, to get [to] the head of that line.”


Ukraine accused Russia of "state terrorism" after a former Russian lawmaker and key witness in a treason case against former leader Viktor Yanukovich was shot dead in broad daylight outside a hotel in central Kiev on Thursday.

Russia called the allegation "absurd".

Ukraine accuses Russia of 'state terrorism' after former MP shot (Photos - Video)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-murder-idUSKBN16U19O

Former parliamentarian Denis Voronenkov was killed by an assailant who was armed with a pistol and later died in hospital after being shot in the chest and head by Voronenkov's bodyguard, police said. The assailant's identity was not disclosed.

Voronenkov fled to Ukraine last year and was helping the Ukrainian authorities build a treason case against Yanukovich, Ukraine's pro-Russia former president.

Voronenkov had also spoken out against Russia's annexation of Crimea in March 2014, although he voted for the move at the time.

Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko said the killing "is an act of state terrorism on the part of Russia, which (Voronenkov) was forced to leave for political reasons."

"Voronenkov was one of the main witnesses of Russian aggression against Ukraine and, in particular, the role of Yanukovich regarding the deployment of Russian troops to Ukraine."

Relations between Kiev and Moscow are at an all-time low after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula in March 2014 and the subsequent outbreak of separatist fighting in Ukraine's eastern Donbass region, which has killed more than 10,000 people.

Poroshenko said it was "no accident" that Voronenkov was shot on the same day as a warehouse storing tank ammunition was blown up at a Ukrainian military base.

Moscow denied any involvement Voronenkov's murder.

"We believe that all the falsehoods that can already be heard about much-hyped Russian involvement are absurd," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying about the killing.

Voronenkov, 45, had been placed on a Russian federal wanted-list in connection with an alleged $5 million property fraud. He came to Ukraine with his wife, opera singer Maria Maksakova, who was also an MP.

Voronenkov was gunned down on his way to meet another former Russian parliamentarian, Ilya Ponomarev, who was the only member of the Duma who voted against the annexation of Crimea.

"There's an obvious theory - I've said that Voronenkov wasn't a crook, but a deadly dangerous investigator for Russian officials," Ponomarev wrote on Facebook.

Television footage showed Ponomarev and Maksakova leaving the scene in a car together with Ukraine's General Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko.

Lutsenko called the shooting a "cynical murder".

"He had provided investigators of the military prosecutor's office with highly important (witness) testimony for the case. This was a typical show execution of a witness by the Kremlin," Lutsenko said.

Yanukovich fled Ukraine during the 2013-2014 Maidan street protests, which he said were tantamount to a "coup" organized by armed nationalist radicals.
 
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