COINTELPRO, disinformation and who to believe on the internet

[Fifth Way]

Recently there have been various posts in regards to the validity of various alternative media providers (such as ATS, Rense, Dr. Greer etc). I think it would be a good idea to dedicate a new forum to this subject matter so people can share in one place insight, experience, feedback and most importantly questions in regards to the many alternative web sites. Maybe even create categories such as

Government Agents:
COINTELPO:
Manipulated:
Uniformed/naive:
To be taken serious:

(obviously open to any better suggestions)

I was prompted to write this post by something I saw on http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ , in specific a comment from its founder and publisher DOUG THOMPSON to be found at http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/03/bush_declares_war_on_freedom_o.html titled:"Bush declares war on freedom of the press".

The article is flowed by endless reader comments, like I have not seen before. Basically calling for revolution now and armed resistance. A totally new level of how people speak out. (Interestingly enough the article and the comments are from that critical 'conciseness-battle' March 6th timeframe)

What I want to know is; is Thompson for real or is he an 'inflamer' to get people to reveal themselves in order to be easier targeted later.

Within the comment thread is a link about the army setting up prison labor camps? If you click on it it will immediately download a 34 page document apparently from the Headquarter Department of the Army in Washington D.C., outlining the proposed installations for a "Civilian Inmate Labor Program" http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf

But again, for me, there is no way to determine whether this document is authentic as you will not go to any site.

Any feedback is appreciated.

 

[Cyre2067]

I don't quite get it. Is this a new program or one already in effect? Are they taking people from current prison's or is this some new prison system. I can't read lawyer, i'm a scientist.

 

[Fifth Way]

The down-loadable document is dated 01/14/2005

I gather it is for Katrina-victim type people. Think; next false flag attack as pretext to martial law / Katrina-type-FEMA-behavior, to round up anybody the government sees fit i.e. people who refuse to take mandatory vaccinations - whatever.

 

[Laura]

What I want to know is; is Thompson for real or is he an 'inflamer' to get people to reveal themselves in order to be easier targeted later.

Well, I can't answer that because I don't know him personally. I know that we often publish his "rants" and I've always had a generally positive view on his take though I consider his views to be somewhat circumscribed. He's not into anything "highly strange," and I don't recall him talking about 9/11 being an inside job. (He may have, I just didn't read it.) So, he's pretty straight as far as I can see.

I WAS quite amazed at the outpouring of comments that you also noted. I think it was more venting than anything else. I don't think that Doug could have expected it himself. I even took the opportunity to add one myself and a link to our Ponerology article.

So, no, I wouldn't put Doug Thompson in a cointelpro classification. I would put him in the more "mainstream normal" kind of guy who sees a lot, but hasn't been able to follow what he sees to its logical conclusion. You might want to add another classification: somewhat informed, somewhat naive.

 

[Fifth Way]

Thanks.

I would put him in the more "mainstream normal" kind of guy who sees a lot...

I that case the style of comments seems even more unusual. If he is somewhat of a mainstream normal guy he may have somewhat of a mainstream normal readership. In which case the whole American collective subconsciousness is in an entirely different state than what I would have hoped for.

Once again: Let's just all keep going.

PS: I think that piece on how to behave under martial law was quite insightful. Even though the author did not referred directly to the pathocratic behavioral patterns, he was pretty on target as how to deal with them (like; avoid any contact whatsoever). Makes me think of Labaczewski describing how 'normal' people start to unite prompted by an intuitive understanding on how to protect themselves against to Ponerologists. Wouldn't it be great if that would happen before everybody is deported to the gulag.

Good call on your part to post the link!

 

[anart]

My take on the Army prison camp document is that it is authentic, but, also, that this is simply a program to utilize a cheap labor resource, i.e. those people who are in minimum security prisons. The Army can get these people to do menial labor for free, thus getting things done very cheaply. It is being presented as a plan to install prisons on army bases, which, if you read the document, is not what the document states. I think that it is a plan to provide cheap labor to Army bases and that is all. I do agree that the guidelines presented could be used in other ways, because they do mention using secure sections of certain bases to house the prisoners who come from distant prisons who will work on a long term project, but, again, my take on it is that this is not quite as sinister as it is being presented. It seems to be presented in such a way as to frighten people, when all it really seems to be, at least at the time of the writing of the document, is an issue of cheap labor. I trust the military-industrial complex about as far as I can throw it, so I'm not saying that it could not be used in a negative way, I'm just saying that this particular document is pretty innocuous; or so it seems to me.

(send me a cake with a file in it if I'm wrong and end up in one within the next 5 years)

 

[Danny]

Reading this thread ,I am reminded of a phrase I read.It's Russian I believe.
"When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

 

[Guest]

My take on the Army prison camp document is that it is authentic, but, also, that this is simply a program to utilize a cheap labor resource, i.e. those people who are in minimum security prisons. The Army can get these people to do menial labor for free, thus getting things done very cheaply.

Well if I was a power-mad pathocrat manipulating world economies to turn the whole labor force into cheap labor, I would debate with my psychopathic pals "Cheap labor!? Why not FREE labor? Who needs workers when we can have SLAVES!? We can recirculate our waste and feed them with that, and if they die off, we'll just have them breed more! And if they can't breed anymore we'll make them ourselves! The world is OUR oyster!!! It'll be like the good old days. We can all have temples and be worshipped, and have our own toy-soldier slaves, worker slaves, sex-slave and any kind of people-toys you can dream up. Why we don't even have to pull the wings off of flies and shove fire-crackers in frogs's butts anymore when we got people to play with!"

As with everything else "they" seem to be trying to implement this little phase of the plan in gradual stages, steps too small to cause a ruckus, but definite steps all the same.

 

[Fifth Way]

As with everything else "they" seem to be trying to implement this little phase of the plan in gradual stages, steps too small to cause a ruckus, but definite steps all the same.

I agree. I'd like to quote my favored line from the movie "Strange Days":

The question is not whether to be paranoid. The question is whether you are paranoid ENOUGH!

 

[solamente]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

Doug's new 9/11 article was a flop. Almost all his registered members disagreed with him. But I think it was just a clever move on his part so that the issue will be discussed in the open. I don't think a sensible man like him is stupid enough not to know it. But then who really knows what in his mind?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/03/911_conspiracy_theories_dont_p.html

 

[on_strike_usaexpat]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

Well that completely discredits everything he writes from this point on in my book.

Can you say coercion, mind control, OP? I'm glad he made it easy for the rest of us who "get it" to decide the reliability of this alternative news source.

Oh, and I know witnesses that think otherwise regarding the Pentagon (see my post in The Pentagon Strike section).

 

[Guest]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

I was at the Pentagon the day the plane hit, taking pictures and interviewing witnesses. I talked to the cab driver who saw the plane swoop low over Columbia Pike, knocking down a light pole that fell on his cab. I talked to the driver of the car behind him, an Arlington businessman still haunted by the nightmares of what he saw. I interviewed dozens of others who saw the plane hit. I smelled the burning jet fuel.

I don't think this amounts to a clever move. He places himself as a credible intimate with the "lack of evidence". He "smelled the jet-fuel", after all. Isn't it interesting that a few weeks ago he was complaining about getting nasty letters from the government threatening to shut him down.

And in this article he doesn't have his usual fire. To me he sounds like he is writing with a gun pointed at his head. I thing the PTB, judging from other events such as the death of a young 9/11 researcher, and the shootings in Seattle, as well as the recent fiasco with abovetopsecret here, is on a damage control rampage. Interestingly enough we have actors coming out and even Alex Jones apparently participating in this.

The damage control team is obviously well versed in techniques of psychological manipulation, and those that cannot be manipulated have "accidents" (probably to serve as examples to others). If Thompson was faced with the choice of turning over a new leaf or becoming another 9/11 martyr, I think he would choose the former (if not out of weakness, at least to buy time and consider his next move).

The PTB damage controllers are out on the prowl and they will probably leave no stone left unmolested. Who wants to be a hero? Not many I gather. Who wants to make a few bucks instead? I think I see a show of hands among former dissenters.

 

[Guest]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

I guess another things this says is that now the PTB knows just how many of Doug's readers and forum members believe in the official story: NONE (well...almost none, and there are also a few scratching their heads now because they trusted this guy). Maybe they'll trace them all down too.

Still, I don't remember Thomson addressing this issue before, and wonder what prompted him to do so now?

 

[Yossarian]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

WoW! Interesting is all I can say. I was under the impression that this Thompson guy was straight up. What a bunch of non-sense he wrote! If I had the time I'd do a line by line analysis of that tripe. I'm not too familiar with his work, but it doesn't seem possible that it could be logically consistent with his other material. He claims to be an insider and to know well how the system works; and now he's saying that we should trust and believe everything that they say re: 9-11 in the face of nearly overwhelming evidence that what they are saying is false. Huh?

Either Thompson had NO integrity from the get go--or the illegal surveillance blackmail scam got to a big skeleton in his closet--or they used a more powerful form of blackmail, like a plausable threat to his family--or he was a mk Ultra plant and has been activated--or they've used very powerful fast acting mind control techniques/drugs-- or they took out the real guy and put in a simulcra (fake Doug Thompson). I don't know which, but this is a strange, mysterious, deceptive and dangerous world that we live in! We know it's going to get worse and this is just another rather large "Sign of the Times." IMO Thanks for pointing this out!

 

[solamente]

Doug Thompson's 9/11 article

I was at the Pentagon the day the plane hit, taking pictures and interviewing witnesses. I talked to the cab driver who saw the plane swoop low over Columbia Pike, knocking down a light pole that fell on his cab. I talked to the driver of the car behind him, an Arlington businessman still haunted by the nightmares of what he saw. I interviewed dozens of others who saw the plane hit. I smelled the burning jet fuel.

I don't think this amounts to a clever move. He places himself as a credible intimate with the "lack of evidence". He "smelled the jet-fuel", after all. Isn't it interesting that a few weeks ago he was complaining about getting nasty letters from the government threatening to shut him down.

And in this article he doesn't have his usual fire. To me he sounds like he is writing with a gun pointed at his head. I thing the PTB, judging from other events such as the death of a young 9/11 researcher, and the shootings in Seattle, as well as the recent fiasco with abovetopsecret here, is on a damage control rampage. Interestingly enough we have actors coming out and even Alex Jones apparently participating in this.

The damage control team is obviously well versed in techniques of psychological manipulation, and those that cannot be manipulated have "accidents" (probably to serve as examples to others). If Thompson was faced with the choice of turning over a new leaf or becoming another 9/11 martyr, I think he would choose the former (if not out of weakness, at least to buy time and consider his next move).

The PTB damage controllers are out on the prowl and they will probably leave no stone left unmolested. Who wants to be a hero? Not many I gather. Who wants to make a few bucks instead? I think I see a show of hands among former dissenters.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Doug, by writing an article about 9/11 debunking the unofficial theory, was actually *intentionally* opening up a can of worms in his website for all to see. Don't know how many readers he has to have some real effect. He's too smart I think to actually "debunk" using the reasons in his article. They are too "shallow". So unless he's a countelpro, then I think he's actually implicitly saying, "okay, now that I've started this in my column, it's up to you to follow this up with all you've got" without being labeled a nutcase by the establishment.