colloidal silver: man turning blue

[D69]

just my 2 cents about blue skinn - actually silver skin

This statement is false. Argyria is the result of consuming silver salts... NOT a pure elemental silver colloid. Silver salts can be created when making an electrically isolated ionic silver preparation. This is usually the result of less than pure water or silver employed.

well , as a kid i was pretty much fascinated with chemistry and from that period i know that this mysterious silver salt is chloride. Silver Chloride if put on sun light , decomposes to silver and chlorium if i remember correctly.
So from where that silver chloride is coming ?
If u drink coloidal silver , and mix it with Chloride Acid which is present in every human stomach , then u will get pure silver chloride. Then it propagates throughout organism and eventually decompose on surface - skin , because of sunlight giving that dark grey look.

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

If u drink coloidal silver , and mix it with Chloride Acid which is present in every human stomach , then u will get pure silver chloride. Then it propagates throughout organism and eventually decompose on surface - skin , because of sunlight giving that dark grey look.

I've just been looking into colloidal silver, and what you have written above has been shown to be false. Experiments have been conducted using electrically isolated silver (EIS), and it has been determined that 90% of such silver is excreted from the body within 2 or 3 days of ingestion. This excretion continues to occur so that the remaining EIS is excreted over a period of weeks.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Many years ago, I had been interested in colloidal silver after a discussion with someone who really swore by it. I researched the net, was about to buy some on ebay when I found the following article:

_http://www.together.net/~rjstan/rose1.html

Needless to say, I was really put off. I just could not shake this picture out of my mind. The disinfo certainly worked on me at the time..

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

This is a quote I found relating to the case of Rosemary Jacobs: (from _http://www.csfacts.com/pages/contestimonies.html)

Colloidal silver, according to her own testimony before the FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, Pharmacy Compounding Advisory Committee, on May 9, 1999, did not cause her case of argyria. She states repeatedly before the committee that Argyrol, a compound containing silver, was the cause. I found it quite interesting that for some reason she does not mention argyrol as the cause of her condition in the personal testimony she offers within her website. Rather, she claims that "colloidal silver (CSP)" was the cause. All I can figure out is that she's talking about something called colloidal silver protein...a compound quite different than pure colloidal silver. What's with that? What happened to argyrol? All I can assume from her personal testimony before the committee and the information presented on her website is that she, in fact, has no personal experience with the use of or exposure to ionic/colloidal silver suspended in water through the process of electrolysis.

Another site has this: (_http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/)

[The case of Rosemary Jacobs] has been exposed as highly improbable because her symptoms developed over 50 years ago (before electrolytic colloidal silver was even available) and she admits she never drank colloidal silver in her life! She took silver nitrate nose drops, perhaps daily, for at least 3 years.

It is highly likely it was the Argyrol that caused her condition. Millions of people take properly prepared CS all the time. Yes, the disinfo certainly seems to have done its work on you! I too was a little put off when I saw the "Blue Man", but further research completely allayed any fears of CS, as the cause behind Argyria has been established as ridiculously high dosages of poor quality CS (the people never measured the ppm value of the silver in the solution), and also cheaply made electrolysis systems that use high voltages, thereby transferring electrons through the solution so quickly that huge silver particles result at the anode. Higher quality systems that use low voltage ensure that the silver particle remain extremely tiny.

 

[Seamus]

the cause behind Argyria has been established as ridiculously high dosages of poor quality CS (the people never measured the ppm value of the silver in the solution), and also cheaply made electrolysis systems that use high voltages, thereby transferring electrons through the solution so quickly that huge silver particles result at the anode. Higher quality systems that use low voltage ensure that the silver particle remain extremely tiny.

I bought some CS at the local food coop to use as an antiseptic on cuts, and I am impressed with its effectiveness. I would like to be able to produce my own in larger quantities to make salves, to use as a surface sanitizer, and to take as an oral supplement. I had considered trying to build my own CS generator (to save a few bucks), but as usual, it seems you get what you pay for. So I have looked at the Silver Puppy and SilverGen home systems as possibilities, since they were mentioned earlier in this thread:

If you wish to learn how to make your own colloidal silver SAFELY, I recommend the generators made by SilverGen or SilverPuppy. You can find links to these two well made, simple to use and rather sophisticated products for home use by googling them. The SilverPuppy will run on a wide variety of power sources. I personally own the SilverPuppy and am very happy with it. I use the products from this generator for household disinfecting, garden blights, sneaker and dog bed deodorizing and as an additive to the rinse cycle of my laundry. I use the American Biotech Labs silver sols for daily oral supplementation and have remained infection free for over eight years now… and counting. But, there may come a day when the only silver that I have access to will be that which I can make for myself. I would like that to be as high quality as possible. During a plague, any well made silver colloid is better than none, or so I think.

Does anyone else have experience with homemade CS, or any feedback about home generators? Thanks in advance,

Seamas

 

[Ellipse]

MailOnline
11th September 2009

A man who turned blue after self-medicating for a skin condition says his hue is lightening.

Paul Karason, 58, has the strange Papa Smurf look as a side effect of using a silver compound which he used more than a decade ago to treat a bad case of dermatitis on his face.

But he told NBC's Today Show that his skin is lightening because he is now using the self-administered doses of colloidal silver less.

I’m in a place right now where it’s very difficult for me to make my own, and my resources are limited and it’s very expensive,' he explained to host Matt Lauer, a year after first appearing on the programme.

Colloidal silver is a suspension of silver in a liquid base - in this case, distilled water.

Silver has antibacterial properties and has been used to fight infection for thousands of years.

But it went out of use when penicillin, which is far more effective, was developed.

It continued to be used in some over-the-counter medicines until 1999, when the FDA banned it because it causes argyria, which is a result of the silver reacting with light the same way it does in photography.

The silver collects in the skin and other organs and does not dissipate, meaning Karason will be blue for life.

Karson also revealed he has recently broke off his relationship with partner Jackie Northrup during his interview today, who he was engaged to when he last appeared on the U.S. show.

He said: '[My skin] has lightened up, it is not major but it is lightening up. I am actually going to try green.'

source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1212557/Blue-man-Paul-Karason-blue-self-medicates-silver-skin-condition.html


Comment : the story already appear first time on SOTT two years ago: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/146000-Man-turns-blue-after-using-silver-extract-to-treat-a-skin-condition

 

[moonwalker]

I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here but for balance I'll go ahead and counter this manipulative nonsense.

According to Dr. Alexander G. Schauss of the Life Sciences Division at John Hopkins University, most products contain "1/500th to 1/1000th of the amount of silver considered being a risk in the development of Argyria." Considering that true colloidal silver has 20 PPM ideally, one would have to ingest far more than the human stomach could possibly contain every day for an extended period of time in order to get the condition.

Interviews with him (Paul Karason) have determined that he not only was NOT taking colloidal silver, but was following a protocol that would almost certainly lead to his condition. First he was adding sea salt to his distilled water, and was not using any current limit. Thus what he was making was silver chloride, a silver compound well known to cause argyria, NOT colloidal silver. He had NO colloidal silver at all in his brew. Instead of being crystal clear, as properly made ionic silver is, he had so much silver chloride in it, that it looked more like milk than water. It is likely that he had 100 ppm of silver or more in his concoction, whereas 10 ppm is typical for normal CS. He did not limit current, or do any of the things necessary to make a good colloid. This is important, since argyria can only be expected when high levels of silver SALTS are taken. On top of that he applied it directly to his skin, effectively making his skin a photographic plate, and used tanning beds to "Fix" the silver in his skin.! I really don't think he could have come up with a better protocol to turn blue.

To put this in to perspective:- Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs, such as aspirin and ibuprofen "accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States" every year. Yet there is no similar campaign to prevent aspirin manufacturers from making medical claims. It's ridiculous for the FDA to claim this natural product is unsafe, when even some the safest over the counter medicines that they approve of
are far more dangerous than this supplement. Secondly, the majority of cases involve home made solutions, some of which have exceeded silver concentrations of 450 PPM, far denser than almost any reputable manufacturer sells.

So if it is highly improbable to contract argyria from a properly manufactured product, where do these cases come from? Firstly, the condition is extremely rare, even when high doses are taken, with only a handful of recorded cases in history.

Another recent and high profile case came from Stan Jones, a Libertarian Party politician from Montana. Jones was ingesting a home made solution, and later admitted he did
a number of things to make the solution unsafe, including using unfiltered water, adding salt, creating extremely high concentrations of silver, and he did not filter out insoluble compounds afterwards. In spite of acquiring the condition, Jones continues to use a safer true colloidal product today, and credits his good health to the natural supplement.

And so on and so on. It's just sad and inevitable that most people will take the Daily Mails version as correct.

 

[GRiM]

I think they call him and make an interview with him once in a while when real normal colloidal silver is mentioned in the mainstream :) He is really a posterchild with his blue face showing how "unsafe" it is.

I wonder if they use it too.

 

[Ellipse]

@Le Rhino
Thanks for these info but do you have a link?

 

[moonwalker]

Yeah sure, sorry about that.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Colloidal-Silver-Side-Effects-Will-You-Turn-Blue?&id=878270

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/pubs.html

http://www.sotainstruments.com/blue_man.asp

* When I first posted, I didn't see the other replies

 

[shellycheval]

Monday night I had all the full blown symptoms of a nasty sinus infection that I had for about a week. That night before bed I put some Colloidal Silver in a spray bottle and sprayed each nostril 3 times. I repeated the dose Tuesday morning and night—so 3 times I put 3 sprays in each nostril—most of it drained down the back of my throat and I spit it out. By Tuesday evening (24 hours) I was nearly symptom free and able to breath out of my nose!!!

Although I am happy to be better, after reading here, I am afraid that I used too strong of a dose. The silver I have is ABI brand, Colloidal Silver, 500 PPM, in distilled water. The expiration date says 07—I only used it once after I bought it for the dog and since then it has been in the refrigerator.

Does C. silver go bad?
Did I use too much?
Can I safely thin it out at home with distilled water bought at the store?

Will my nose turn blue?!!!???!!

I think now that my symptoms are significantly better, but not completely gone, I would like to dilute the spray and continue using it for a few days to eliminate any lingering bacteria.

Any reassurance that my nose will not turn blue/grey—or any color, would be much appreciated—thanks. I will be checking out those links before I use it again in the future to be sure I am using a correct dosage.
shellycheval

 

[JonnyRadar]

Does C. silver go bad?
Did I use too much?
Can I safely thin it out at home with distilled water bought at the store?

Will my nose turn blue?!!!???!!

shelly,

the "blue man" turned blue because of repeated use at high dosages over many years. i think you'll be fine. as for c. silver going bad, the silver has antibacterial properties (why it works so well) so it's not as susceptible to spoiling as other things. also, the FDA requires expiration dates, and from what i've read you can usually add a couple years onto the projected expiration date for colloidal minerals. the only reason it would go "bad" is if it were cross-contaminated with something else from the fridge, which is hard to do unless you basically leave it open in the presence of old food...

i have a friend from downstate who makes colloidal silver, and she instructs to keep it away from fluorescent lighting and anything magnetic.

however, from what you said, and if you're not feeling any symptoms or anything else funky going on a full 24 hours after taking it, you're probably fine. :)

 

[moonwalker]

Hi Shelly,
Personally I wouldn't use such a high concentration but I checked out the ABI site and they state that their silver is 0.01 microns in size and true a colloidal, so I don't think you're in any danger from 18 nostril sprays even at 500 ppm. You would probably have to drink liters of the stuff for months on end and shower in it to go blue.

 

[shellycheval]

Thank you for your reassurances. I am clearly rapidly on the mend and intend to use C. Silver again, but will research the dosage and treatment recommendations first. Thanks to for your support.
shellycheval

 

[jofus]

Anyone that has made or knows anything about making colloidal silver please give me some advise. I built my silver generator yesterday and could not produce any silver water after letting it run 12 hours. I am using 10guage .99997 pure silver wire electodes about 6" long. I have them in about 3 liter glass jar of distilled water. My power source is an ac to dc wall adapter output 5V 400mA. I also have a little aquarium air bubbler hose down to the bottom, blowing bubbles up inbetween the silver electrodes. After 12 hours, one of the elctrodes had some oxidization visible on it. My TDS meter read 0-1PPM when I started, and 0-1PPM after 12 hours, and the Tyndall effect was not changed. My electrodes are approx 3.75" apart. I am thinking maybe they are to far apart, or maybe my voltage is to low for the amount of water I have in the jar. Any help, suggestions, or insight is appreciated.

PS My TDS meter does work, I have tested it on other waters and it has been acuruate with in 1 PPM.