Conscious Attention

Buddy, you know in Chapter 8 of A&E The Impudent Brat Hussain, Dares to Call Men "Slugs". How could he do such a thing? He was lucky that men couldn't get their hands on him.

Plato in the cave analogy writes:

Socrates] And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the cave, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable) would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death.

Again, the same situation. This poor guy gets a glimpse of reality and is crushed by the "experts." Simone adds:

"Rome is the Great Beast of atheism and materialism, adoriing nothing but itself. Israel is the Great Beast of religion. Neither one nor the other is likable. The Great Beast is always repulsive."
- Simone Weil, Prelude to Politics, completed shortly before her death in 1943
the Simone Weil Reader, edited by George A. Panichas (David McKay Co. NY 1977) p 393


This would go over like a lead balloon at an Interfaith group meeting. Slugs, the Great Beast, How insulting! They should be boiled in oil. Yet for the minority who can move beyond personal insult, perhaps they can profit by becoming aware of the human condition as described above. Those like me can never belong in a situation that mentions the Work where this observation is scorned. It is natural for it to happen in the outside world but without this foundation there is even a danger. Research how Helen Shucman, the founder of A Course in Miracles died in a state of possession

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071202013258AA3qNjJ

Is it true? I don't know but it can be true. If is true it is only because the premise of Man's nothingness is denied and a thought form is built upon a false foundation. I feel safe in introducing Simone and the questions she raises because she denies self importance produced by sleep. That is why the World will hate her and yet a minority will be moved by her. Since I've become aware of the human condition by experiencing the conscious vertical direction and the potential it offers Man, I speak honestly of it regardless of the normal reactive condemnation.

Did Simone acquire anything from her non-conformism. Who knows. Gustav Thibon believes she did as he experienced her shortly before her death.

"I had the impression of being in the presence of an absolutely transparent soul which was ready to be reabsorbed into original light. I can still hear Simone Weil’s voice in the deserted streets of Marseilles as she took me back to my hotel in the early hours of the morning; she was speaking of the Gospel; her mouth uttered thoughts as a tree gives its fruit, her words did not express reality, they poured it into me in its naked totality; I felt myself to be transported beyond space and time and literally fed with light."
Gustav Thibon
 
Nick_A said:
Yet for the minority who can move beyond personal insult, perhaps they can profit by becoming aware of the human condition as described above.

Perhaps they can profit...? What is the difference between calling a man a slug and, let's say, calling him a sleeping, cave-dwelling being with no conscious attention AND THEN not showing him a (the) way out? Even Krishnamurti has the good sense to just describe the landscape and stick with simple things because, although he, himself, may be enlightened (maybe he was born that way) he can't tell us "how to get there." You, yourself, are playing a dangerous game and you cannot see this for some reason.

Nick_A said:
Research how Helen Shucman, the founder of A Course in Miracles died in a state of possession

Schizophrenia mediated by an illusory "unity" of a barely stable false personality is one view of the human condition as I understand it. Schizophrenia can happen when something disintegrates the "strange attractors" that organize their superficial, structured sense of self and the world around them.

It may well be that all that is "Buddy" or "Nick_A" is pure fantasy tacked onto an aggregate of universe quanta detecting and recognizing itself within the sophisticated nervous systems of beings able to form concepts like "ego" and thereby assume ownership of consciousness (my conscious, my attention, my, my, mine) and everything else it 'sees', but my point is somewhat different and might be conveyed thusly:

1) A Sufi master once said that he realized he had a compulsion to teach, so he stopped teaching until the compulsion was gone.

2) The need to teach others Truth is inversely proportional to understanding.

This conversation has never been about Simone Weil, it has been about you and how you are being perceived here and now. As concerns Simone Weil, I have been aware of her work for quite some time and feel like I understand her better than most people. The problem lies in the domain of pragmatics. She is nowhere near the only person who has ever expressed despair, desperation and other emotions related to crises of conscience. Others have as well. Some of those have been directly victimized by the behaviors of psychopaths and sociopaths.

The orthodox literature on those subjects combined with all the new information that continues to pour out from people who are awakening to a very real source for the kind of personal pain that Weil expresses, represents the pragmatic angle of our work on here.

Would you care to join that?
 
You seem to keep missing that there's no way to try to get out of the Cave/"sleep" UNLESS one is aware of the fact. We keep pointing to you that the Work only BEGINS by realizing that one is asleep/in the Cave. And you keep repeating that we're in the Cave/asleep. See?

You joined this forum years ago, made some posts about Weil, went dormant for several years, came back and started making posts about Weil. While before and after your dormant period, and before your joining the forum, in fact, the forum has been doing something about the human condition, and you've been in the same groove of the broken record.
 
SeekinTruth said:
You seem to keep missing that there's no way to try to get out of the Cave/"sleep" UNLESS one is aware of the fact. We keep pointing to you that the Work only BEGINS by realizing that one is asleep/in the Cave. And you keep repeating that we're in the Cave/asleep. See?

You joined this forum years ago, made some posts about Weil, went dormant for several years, came back and started making posts about Weil. While before and after your dormant period, and before your joining the forum, in fact, the forum has been doing something about the human condition, and you've been in the same groove of the broken record.

hi, your words reminded me of a song

so this song is for Nick , he seems being stuck :)

( "Get me out of my mind")

"You got these little things that you've been running from ; You either love it or guess you don't
You're such a pretty thing to be running from anyone; A vision with nowhere to go

So tell me right now, you think you're ready for it ; I wanna know why you got me going
So let's go, we'll take it outta here ; I think I'm ready to leap, I'm ready to live
I'm ready to go (Get me out of my mind, get me out of my mind)

You got these little things you wanted something for them; You'll either get it or guess you won't
What does it really mean to get nothing from anyone ; There's a million ways it could go

So tell me right now, you think you're ready for it ; I wanna know why you got me going
So let's go, we'll take it outta here ; I think I'm ready to leap, I'm ready to live "

http://vimeo.com/26568161
 
Amy said:
[...]
So tell me right now, you think you're ready for it ; I wanna know why you got me going
So let's go, we'll take it outta here ; I think I'm ready to leap, I'm ready to live "

Oh, my! Such a clear expression of something I have been feeling inside but not yet put to words. Lovely! Thanks for that. :)
 
Nick_A said:
I agree. I do learn from it. I can easily become Mr. Wonderful by use of a lie. Salesmanship sells. Give me a direct question and I'll answer it. there is nothing to hide. The other side of course is if you can accept it.

I think all of your posts thus far prove this is a false statement.

Kris
 
Buddy said:
Amy said:
[...]
So tell me right now, you think you're ready for it ; I wanna know why you got me going
So let's go, we'll take it outta here ; I think I'm ready to leap, I'm ready to live "

Oh, my! Such a clear expression of something I have been feeling inside but not yet put to words. Lovely! Thanks for that. :)

Hehe ! So you are very intuitive - I have been thinking !

The song was also true for me, I used to think I was in a Cave ( with vision of no where to go)
that "the system was locking me up; the world was pushing me down" ,...
for awhile thinking how to be free, how to get freedom,
one morning my mind as if went BANG to have so clearly realized that
I was indeed stuck in my own thinking/perceptions/mind.

When I became more opened, I saw all the possibilities to learn /transform were there,
all the potentialities to create and improve were there
that I should focus on those, instead of trying to get freed from the problem!
As There will be PROBLEMS always anyway , no matter where and when I am ,
Problems/ Obstacles give us chance to learn and to realize things ...

You will smile if you remember the Cs' words when facing a problem :
"CHALLENGES ARE ECSTASY IF VIEWED UNDER PROPER PERSPECTIVE".
All is fun when perceived Correctly.

Learning to be humor in every situation is hard
it's a big challenge. ..
 

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