Conscious cells

Menna

Menna

The Living Force
"And it begins with the same thing, namely, a certain
group of cells gradually becomes conscious; then it attracts to itself
other cells, subordinates others, and gradually makes the whole organism
serve its aims and not merely eat, drink, and sleep. This is evolution and
there can be no other kind of evolution. "

"In humanity as in individual man everything begins with the formation of a
conscious nucleus."

These are quotes from ISOTM

MY question is - Is there a way to help facilitate this process of becoming conciouse, help the process of forming a conscious nucleus? Is it a natural process that happens or can we actually DO something?

If I was to answer my own question I would have to say, networking and cleaning the machine and diet are a few ways but I am not sure if these have an impact when it comes to cells becoming conscious. I read over and over again that it is very hard and very few people actually DO anything.
 
Menna said:
If I was to answer my own question I would have to say, networking and cleaning the machine and diet are a few ways but I am not sure if these have an impact when it comes to cells becoming conscious. I read over and over again that it is very hard and very few people actually DO anything.
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It is done through the Work, through conscious suffering, through fusing individual i's into one permanent and cohesive I - and all of this is done through networking with a conscious network and is a daily struggle in which one dies in order to be born. To grasp that, you must understand what each of the above phrases really mean - all of which has been discussed at length on this forum in hundreds of threads, and in articles on our associated web sites. That's the whole point of what we do here, Menna. It's important to understand that a man cannot see above his level of being, so when you think people aren't DOING anything, it's because you are unable to See them for who they really are and you are unable to See what they are really Doing.
 
I understand that one must shed their ego or sacred cows/believes in order to see things objectively. I feel I have done this to some degree. Things that have interested or motivated/impacted me before don't have the same affect. I am not saying people aren’t doing I am saying that I have read that it is very hard to do. That mechanical doing isn’t really doing anything. For me it is hard to tell whether I am mechanically doing something or consciously. At times I see a difference but at other times im not sure and I don't exactly know WHAT that difference is. Is it more thought I put into a decision coupled with knowledge? I struggle with myself daily. Sometimes I choose to fall asleep (day dream) because it is easier at the present moment. Last year when I tried to stay present all the time I became fixated in this trance like state it was terrifing. So obviously I don't know the right way to go about it.

I know that I have evolved to some degree because sometimes on this forum people answer my questions and my first reaction is to get defensive but I know that’s not why I am here and again you corrected me on my other post when I gave advice. After you corrected me I saw the narcissistic parent that came out. Thinking that what’s good for one is good for the other. Which isn’t always true. I do notice things in myself and in the world but I guess I am not sure of something’s and again how can I be if I only have myself to rely on. No one around me fully grasps this stuff or knows a fraction about what is going on or what the aim is so what I was doing here was posting quotes that said in order to evolved your cells in your organism start to evolve (made sense to me) and I was asking for a more specific example/way to do this or help the process and for a indication when something is working or when something isn't and then again I might just be asking for the cliff notes.
 
Menna, what exactly are you expecting from doing the Work? Specifically; What are you trying to achieve?
 
To be able to see each situation the way it is and respond the way I should. To rid my body of all excess and know my lifes purpose. To be able to help myslef and others do the right thing.
 
Gurdjieff pointed out to Ouspensky that there were two kinds of self-observation: one based on analysis and the other on a registration. He said the former was useless for Work, and that the latter required many "photographs" before analysis is of any use.

Work on oneself, whether it is sitting or sensing or another method, does indeed bring subtle changes to the body, particularly the brain. Even medical science verifies this to some extent. For instance among heart patients, meditation and yoga bring with them documented physical benefits.

There is a third being food that G's character Beelzebub describes as being lost to contemporary man. That we do not even recognize impressions, as this food is sometimes called, as food. C. Daly King in his book States of Human Consciousness asserts that these very impressions are dropped by the brain between the cerebellum (the front of the brain) and the cerebrum.

HTH, Joe
 
There is a third being food that G's character Beelzebub describes as being lost to contemporary man. That we do not even recognize impressions, as this food is sometimes called, as food. C. Daly King in his book States of Human Consciousness asserts that these very impressions are dropped by the brain between the cerebellum (the front of the brain) and the cerebrum.
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I thought the cerebellum was below the occipital lobe? Do you recall which it was referring to?
 
Thanks for pointing that out, whitecoast. It should've read the opposite. And even then, a one or two sentence explanation does not give justice to the complexities of the human brain.

Give me a few days and I'll see if I can't post some excerpts.
 
"The third form of natural food available to the human organism has been called 'impressions'. The term is a perfectly correct one but demands further explanation. If we consider a sensory impression, for example, this phenomenon comprises two aspects, the purely neurological aspect of its history within the human body and, in addition, its experiential aspect when it is registered in the consciousness of the 'I'-entity involved. In the present technical sense of the term it becomes an impression -- and consequently it becomes a food source -- only when it is registered actively in the subject's consciousness; the usual passive registration will fail to effect its availability as an organic food. Therefore it is necessary to distinguish between a passive impression (the usual kind that does not serve as food) and an active impression (one registered actively in the consciousness and thereby becomes an anabolizable food, comparable to the oral and nasal varieties)." ~ C. Daly King, The States Of Human Consciousness, p. 105

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"But the last statement has to be qualified further, for even a passive (i.e., an unanabolizable) impression serves in some sort as an indispensible form of food. Without oral food we can live for days, without nasal food for minutes, but it has been calculated that, in the complete absence of passive sensory impressions, no human being can survive beyond the duration of 1/30,000 second. This is because at least passive impressions are demanded for survival, and they enter the body at about 30,000 per second; thus there must be at least one every 1/30,000 second if the body is to continue to live. If, however, such impressions enter only passively, they will not permit of fully human living but merely of the kind of life experienced by animals.

Accordingly, the impressions of which we shall treat now in describing the third form of human food, will be activated impressions which alone can serve the nutritional function. Our usual passive impressions will not be significant. But how will the latter be rendered active neurologically?" ~ C.Daly King, pp. 105-106
 
Menna said:
MY question is - Is there a way to help facilitate this process of becoming conciouse, help the process of forming a conscious nucleus? Is it a natural process that happens or can we actually DO something?
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So, King comes to a similar question as Menna asks, a question that defies easy explanation. King goes on to explain over several pages his understanding of the functioning of the brain, that only a portion of the brain is used as humans exist ordinarily. He implies the cerebellum has functions beyond the perceived motor and nerve control generally attributed to it. And that the sensory input (and otherwise) entering into the brain as impressions largely through the cerebrum is drooled out between there and the cerebellum.

Whether King is correct or not does not mean as much to me as the questions he raises about the functions of the brain. As G's character Beelzebub points out to his grandson Hassein, contemporary human beings do not even recognize impressions as a food, in the chapter Purgatory. The clear implication of all this is that the human brain only functions to a fraction of its potential.

It should be noted Ouspensky cited a figure of 10,000 impressions a second according to Gurdjieff. One can only surmise how King arrived at 30,000, perhaps he figured 10,000 across the three lower centers each. Nonetheless, there is for human beings a constant stream of impressions which make their way to the brain.

And then there is the assimilation of air, the so-called second-being food, which takes place to a fuller degree than the assimilation of impressions, but that is another post...
 
With all of this information coming into the person I wonder if being more concious has something to do with recognizing or noticing these impressions as they begin to impact. Sort of like reacting "faster" to the world around you.
 
Perhaps this may help someone,

I have noticed that when I take the moment that is now, as the most important thing I've ever done and put all my being into it, then life becomes so much richer.

Doesn't matter if it's a bad experience or a good one, whatever is happening right NOW, is what the universe has given you to work with and play in or figure out etc. Fully experience and accept the NOW, and you can learn from anything that life throws at you. After all, all are lessons - life is one big school!

I personally start to feel an energy, subjective or not, that permeates life in the NOW, that you can almost tap into if you focus on the present. Thinking with your head and feeling with your heart, whatever is happening NOW, is what you should focus on for life to be experienced fully. So perhaps to receive as many impressions as possible, we should be living in the world and balanced in all centres, rather than for example, be identified with the thinking centre and over analysing everything, living our lives from that centre only. To have use of all centres for the living of life. Does this make any sense?

Hopefully others may chime in with experiences and thoughts of their own. :)
 
You're onto something there, Paragon. Awareness.

Almost as if, at least for a moment, one is standing outside oneself, impartially. Awareness that exists side-by-side with thought and feelings, a background against which those two are thrown into highlight.

We had those moments as children quite spontaneously. Such consciousness comes and goes, there is no grasping it, only a moving out of its way.
 
The readings do not give definitive answers when it comes to internal processes. Obviously what I say, but I mention this because sometimes it falls into a kind of dogmatism about teaching and writing at that point where we were wrong. The material on Gurdjieff / Mouravieff / Ouspensky may be a reference point for our hypotheses, but only know the truth about these and other readings when we have experienced one thing or another. No matter read and read a thousand times to understand something, this is experienced in the evolution of life situations.

There are writings that did not understand at the time, but after living certain situations I could understand what they said. I think it is a matter of worrying about how something is done or not. Everyone lives in a unique process, and differs from what has been said many times in books, although sometimes it may seem.

My two cents
 
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