Conscious cells

[Crystla24]

"But the last statement has to be qualified further, for even a passive (i.e., an unanabolizable) impression serves in some sort as an indispensible form of food. Without oral food we can live for days, without nasal food for minutes, but it has been calculated that, in the complete absence of passive sensory impressions, no human being can survive beyond the duration of 1/30,000 second. This is because at least passive impressions are demanded for survival, and they enter the body at about 30,000 per second; thus there must be at least one every 1/30,000 second if the body is to continue to live. If, however, such impressions enter only passively, they will not permit of fully human living but merely of the kind of life experienced by animals.

Accordingly, the impressions of which we shall treat now in describing the third form of human food, will be activated impressions which alone can serve the nutritional function. Our usual passive impressions will not be significant. But how will the latter be rendered active neurologically?" ~ C.Daly King, pp. 105-106

I found this information about impressions being a 'food source' very interesting because it is something that I have been afraid to talk about until I learned more about what I have been experiencing. I will expand more on this later if welcomed and when I have more time. But I wanted to point out...you know how Laura talks about "a burning question" (may not be Laura'a interpretation). When that question is held in the conciousness for long periods of time maybe it is easier to spot impressions relavant to your "evolution" for lack of a better word. Right now I am reading a book The Celestine Prophesy: An Experential Guide (Will do book review when finished :) ) and there is a part in there that talks about bringing your question forward conciously and you can have an experience such as this- If you decided you wanted to plant a nice flower garden in your backyard you might start thinking of what kinds of flowers or designs, themes etc. that you may want to use. So now, when you are driving through the neighborhood you start noticing all the nice flowers and setups that your neighbors have that you would have never and hadn't noticed in the past to take the time to be aware of it in anyway, until you started wondering about it. Really makes alot of sense to me and I having been experiencing this essentially, but am still working on learning what exactly It is before I talk more about it.

 

[anart]

The Celestine Prophecy has been discussed several times on the forum, if you'll use the search function, you can find those threads. It's basically a newage adventure tale and little else, but good for entertainment...

 

[liffy]

I haven't read The Celestine Prophecy or the threads regarding it, but I seem to recall that the book was being mentioned in a session with the C's. I think the question was whether parts of the book showed a decent representation of 4D, and the reply was that it was quite accurate; given the 3D limitations the author, that is.

I guess this means that it can be of some use, other than just entertainment.

Not saying that people should read it without a sceptic point of view, though. :)

 

[anart]

I haven't read The Celestine Prophecy or the threads regarding it, but I seem to recall that the book was being mentioned in a session with the C's. I think the question was whether parts of the book showed a decent representation of 4D, and the reply was that it was quite accurate; given the 3D limitations the author, that is.

I guess this means that it can be of some use, other than just entertainment.

Not saying that people should read it without a sceptic point of view, though. :)

Read the threads! ;)

 

[liffy]

Consider it done :)

 

[Crystla24]

Yes I had already read the threads and they talk about people's personnal reviews of the first book and movie. Apparently there are two other sequels that I know of, the one I'm reading being one of them. I have not read the first book, but have read the book I am reading referencing back to it. The first book does sound a little bit odd combining fiction with what may be non-fiction. This Experiential Guide I am reading is quite straightforward and from what I can tell to be true in my experiences. It is a little love/ lighty, but it also touches on dangers that one should look out for. It is a little "create your own reality"ish, but in a better sense of using Will and not just wishful thinking. Honestly, I whipped through the first 1/2 of the book because I was excited that something was explaing what I have been going through...but then I realized that I was already beyond most of what it had to say and find myself having trouble finishing it just due to boredom that I am not learning much new. This book is quite simple and to the point. I would recommend it to love/light people to break new news gently or to an individual who is pretty spiritual but not quite intellectual enough to follow alot of the psycological aspects of the Work. In all, I did agree with the material it offered.

P.S. It also offers a section on Conscious Cells , lol maybe I will have to flip through it and quote some of it here :) This book does lay a bit of a scientific foundation for what it has to offer as well.

 

[anart]

Yes I had already read the threads and they talk about people's personnal reviews of the first book and movie. Apparently there are two other sequels that I know of, the one I'm reading being one of them. I have not read the first book, but have read the book I am reading referencing back to it. The first book does sound a little bit odd combining fiction with what may be non-fiction. This Experiential Guide I am reading is quite straightforward and from what I can tell to be true in my experiences. It is a little love/ lighty, but it also touches on dangers that one should look out for. It is a little "create your own reality"ish, but in a better sense of using Will and not just wishful thinking.

Have you had much time to read through the Channel Watch and New Age Cointelpro section of the forum yet? It sounds like you like this book because it reflects your current level of understanding - that's not unusual at all. It might really benefit you to look into the difference between objective information and information that feeds illusion and comfort - this way you can begin to develop a level of discernment that will help you enormously in the future. fwiw.

 

[Crystla24]

Yes I had already read the threads and they talk about people's personnal reviews of the first book and movie. Apparently there are two other sequels that I know of, the one I'm reading being one of them. I have not read the first book, but have read the book I am reading referencing back to it. The first book does sound a little bit odd combining fiction with what may be non-fiction. This Experiential Guide I am reading is quite straightforward and from what I can tell to be true in my experiences. It is a little love/ lighty, but it also touches on dangers that one should look out for. It is a little "create your own reality"ish, but in a better sense of using Will and not just wishful thinking.

Have you had much time to read through the Channel Watch and New Age Cointelpro section of the forum yet? It sounds like you like this book because it reflects your current level of understanding - that's not unusual at all. It might really benefit you to look into the difference between objective information and information that feeds illusion and comfort - this way you can begin to develop a level of discernment that will help you enormously in the future. fwiw.

I was not prepared to make a full review of this book yet, I do not even have it with me at the moment. With what I was commenting on earlier about the impression food is a point I have been wanting to make. And honestly, you Anart have actually helped me to come up with more objective theories than I had had to begin with. Not only what you have said to me, but also to others in the music section or talking about authors and books. People get to thinking that the information is relating sooo much to the individual that they believe that the artist/author had to be thinking what they are/were or on "on the same level" of some sort. When in fact, that type of thinking IS very subjective. But if you look at it this way:

"But the last statement has to be qualified further, for even a passive (i.e., an unanabolizable) impression serves in some sort as an indispensible form of food. Without oral food we can live for days, without nasal food for minutes, but it has been calculated that, in the complete absence of passive sensory impressions, no human being can survive beyond the duration of 1/30,000 second. This is because at least passive impressions are demanded for survival, and they enter the body at about 30,000 per second; thus there must be at least one every 1/30,000 second if the body is to continue to live. If, however, such impressions enter only passively, they will not permit of fully human living but merely of the kind of life experienced by animals.

Accordingly, the impressions of which we shall treat now in describing the third form of human food, will be activated impressions which alone can serve the nutritional function. Our usual passive impressions will not be significant. But how will the latter be rendered active neurologically?" ~ C.Daly King, pp. 105-106

I found this information about impressions being a 'food source' very interesting because it is something that I have been afraid to talk about until I learned more about what I have been experiencing. I will expand more on this later if welcomed and when I have more time. But I wanted to point out...you know how Laura talks about "a burning question" (may not be Laura'a interpretation). When that question is held in the conciousness for long periods of time maybe it is easier to spot impressions relavant to your "evolution" for lack of a better word. Right now I am reading a book The Celestine Prophesy: An Experential Guide (Will do book review when finished :) ) and there is a part in there that talks about bringing your question forward conciously and you can have an experience such as this- If you decided you wanted to plant a nice flower garden in your backyard you might start thinking of what kinds of flowers or designs, themes etc. that you may want to use. So now, when you are driving through the neighborhood you start noticing all the nice flowers and setups that your neighbors have that you would have never and hadn't noticed in the past to take the time to be aware of it in anyway, until you started wondering about it. Really makes alot of sense to me and I having been experiencing this essentially, but am still working on learning what exactly It is before I talk more about it.

Maybe we are activating impressions and actually becoming more aware of our surroundings and reality. Or using our surroundings to open ourselves to more. With practice, active immpressions can start manifesting at a more rapid rate to where you start looking at reality as a whole quite differently. I think maybe some of the parables we come across and possibly (I've been wanting to study more on this) how the tarot works to a degree. Because we ending up seeing what we need to see to answer our deep questions. I have yet to figure whether these things are manifesting from a deep sub-conscious level or actually the/a higher self possibly. These are MY experiences and still have much picking apart of them to do...

 

[anart]

Maybe we are activating impressions and actually becoming more aware of our surroundings and reality. Or using our surroundings to open ourselves to more. With practice, active immpressions can start manifesting at a more rapid rate to where you start looking at reality as a whole quite differently. I think maybe some of the parables we come across and possibly (I've been wanting to study more on this) how the tarot works to a degree. Because we ending up seeing what we need to see to answer our deep questions. I have yet to figure whether these things are manifesting from a deep sub-conscious level or actually the/a higher self possibly. These are MY experiences and still have much picking apart of them to do...

Just realize that what you are describing can also be illusion - just because you are becoming aware of things does not make them true. It is a basic tenet of the 4th Way Work that impressions are food - it is elementary. The point I'm trying to make to you is that a person can be wholly lost in illusion that feeds their personal comfort and truly and honestly think they are seeing reality and opening up to aspects of the Universe that were 'hidden' before. It happens all the time and it is all a lie - and illusion - and a dream of being more awake. When a person relies so heavily on their own impressions and takes them as truth merely because they are their own impressions, they are lost.

I cannot stress this enough. You have a tendency, Crystla24, to take what you think first and foremost as truth and to put the input you get from others on a shelf as 'maybe - but they don't understand what I'm saying or what I see/think/experience' - this, while very, very common, is also unfortunate because you are blocking yourself from a deeper understanding.

You will continue to do that until you don't - nothing anyone can do about it, but please understand that until you learn to develop discernment (and this is always a painful process because sacred cows must be put to rest) that you will not be able to tell illusion from truth and illusion always initially 'feels better and more real' than truth - it is part of the human condition that this is so. fwiw.

 

[Crystla24]

I pulled these out of the self-remembering thread that Andi quoted out of the Cassiopedia:

"Another aspect of the concept relates to man's physical and psychic metabolism. Man takes in three kinds of 'food:' physical food, air and impressions. These three 'substances,' also known in the Work as 'hydrogens' undergo change and refinement in the human being. This goes in the direction of more refined, less coarse, more vivifying substances, ones more infused with information and intelligence, if one can say so. This process usually happens only very partially and the human 'hydrogen factory' is leaky and inefficient. Self-remembering, specially when done in context of shocks, assists and energizes these processes, so that finer hydrogens can be produced in greater quantity. This may have the effect of connecting one to one's higher centers. In this sense, self-remembering goes beyond a means of intellectually knowing about the self and becomes a tool for transformation and unlocking qualitatively new possibilities."


Also, another very important part of this qoute is:


"A simple exercise of self-remembering is becoming conscious of one's body, emotion and thought and then alternatingly look at objects, while holding all these present to one's attention. One notices that one very easily falls into identification, where attention is drawn to a single object from its divided state."


If I am experiencing things of which I say, I believe that this latter qoute maybe the "illusions" you speak of Anart, or if not, they are illusions that in my own sense I need to be aware of...falling out of Self-remembering into Identification accidentily. And just for the heck of it I will put the qoute about identification:

"Identification

This is a nearly constant, universal feature of man's psyche. Identification takes place when some external item catches one's attention and one forgets all else. Identification is the mechanism which makes man a machine reacting to any environmental stimulus that may match his arbitrary fancy.

The 4th Way Work seeks to oppose man's automatic and routine tendency to identify with the practice of self-remembering. It is noteworthy that man loses any semblance of self-consciousness, forgets himself, when in a state of identification.

One can be identified with anything: A thought, an emotion, one's vacation plans, any social activity, the more emotionally involving, the greater the likelihood and extent of identification and self-forgetting will be.

An additional problem is that people often think that good work can only be produced in a state of identification. One 'must give the work of art/science/social situation one's all, be passionate,' and so forth, it is said. As the 4th Way sees it, all these perceived qualities of enthusiasm, spontaneity, passion are overwhelmingly mechanical and strip one of the little free will or being one might otherwise possess.

Good work requires being present in the situation, but one cannot be present in any real sense if one is identified, mechanically pursuing some program or other which the situation happens to have invoked. Presence in a real sense is not possible without 'being' and 'being' is not possible if one is purely reacting and lacks internal cohesion.

The terms fascination and confluence are used to indicate a specially strong state of identification."

And, if I were to be correctly performing instense self-remembering like Gurdieff talks about that it is hard for the lower emotional center to hold such a state and begins to step in and start analysing the true experience from the lower centers breaking the connection. When I read about this, it made me think that these experiences I seem to be having end up being broken my lower emotional center (possibly)...that is usually when I end of typing things on this forum. I am probably reacting from the lower emotional in much of what I write and not analysing the situation correctly on the after thought. I do try to stay aware of my surrounding and what I am doing so as to not be completely submerged in what very well can be an illusion. Nothing is definate so far as I can tell until I read and have the knowledge to actually understand what is going on from a scientific, psycological aspect as well.
Also Anart, I have been reading on the Channel Watch and have bit of understanding concerning the New Age COINTELPRO. Having not responded, it was not my intention to make you feel that I discard your advise, I just felt it off subject because the book I was reading was not the direction I wanted to turn the thread, it was the substanance that I used the quoted material from to convey my experience or advise to the conversation.

 

[Crystla24]

"The connection to the higher emotional center is linked to the state of objective consciousness of self, or intense self-remembering. This may occur spontaneously in flashes of an entirely different perception but the lower centers cannot typically sustain such contact for long. One problem with this perception is the fact that the lower intellect immediately steps in the way and starts analyzing, which disrupts the immediacy of the contact. The lower intellect substitutes ideas and representations for the thing itself and replaces immediate perception with imagination. The strength of attention is not sufficient for staying with the experience. Both intellect and emotion flee into imagination and making interpretations and judgements, which is their normal automatic functioning."

 

[Crystla24]

Okay, I ran home and grabbed my book The Celestine Prophesy: An Experiential Guide by: James Redfield and Carol Adrienne and here is the section bolded

"Cellular Consciousness

What does a philodendron plant have in common with a cup of yogurt? In 1973 a book, The Secret Life of Plants, fascinated readers all over the world with stories of experimental research showing that plants possess amazing powers. Among these powers was the ability to detect what humans were thinking-even from miles away (we will explore this in a minute). Although the search for a basic substance of life has gone on since ancient Greeks, a new field of bioenergetics bagan in earnest in the 1960's, bringing to light the existence of invisible, intelligently communicating energy.
One fateful day in 1966, an American expert on polygraph examination (the lie detector test), Cleve Backster, playfully hooked up his galvanometer to his office philodendron plant. To see what kind of reaction, if any, he might record, he decided to dunk its leaves in the hot coffee he happened to be holding in his hand. Since there was no reaction, he began to think of a more serious threat to the plant. The instant that he thought of burning the leaf with a match, the galvanometer went wild. The reactions that he saw on his machine that evening led to hundreds more experiments that yielded proof that plants have the ability to "think." Plants, normally attuned to each other, seem to moniter the movements of humans and animals in the environment down to the cellular level. For example, in one experiment where a researcher purposely destroyed one of two plants, the surviving plant was able to correctly identify the culprit among six other people. In a demonstration of the plant's ability to detect even subtler acts of violence, it also reacted when a researcher was preparing to eat a cup of yogurt, the preservative in the jam caused the death of some of the live yogurt bacilli. This cellular death was picked up by the plant.

It is fact: man can and does communicate with plant life. Plants are...extremely sensitive instruments for measuring man's emotions. They radiate energy forced beneficial to man. One can feel these forces! They feed into one's own force field, which in turn feeds back energy to the plant... The American Indians were keenly aware of these faculties. When in need, they would go into the woods. With their arms extended, they would place their backs to a pine tree in order to replenish themselves with its power.^2 (referanced quote I can't quite locate in the end of the chapter)

Apparently, life retains memory and sentience- the ability to percieve-even at a molecular level. Experiments at the cellular level by Backster and cytologist Dr. Howard Miller showed that

sperm cells turned out to be surprisingly canny in that they seemed to be capable of identifying and reacting to the presence of their own donor, ignoring the presence of other males. Such observations seem to imply that some sort of total memory may go down to the single cell.... Sentience... does not seem to stop at the cellular level. It may go down to the molecualr, the atomic and even the subatomic. All sorts of things which have been conventionally considered to be inanimate may have to be re-evaluated.^3

Even though we might not be consciously aware of these miniscule connections, we are beginning to realize that we live within an intelligence greater than our own. Life, the eternal flow of energy, is the outgrowth of our intention and attention and is designed to meet our needs through the blueprint within our cellular DNA. With the power of awareness we activate our field, attracting, in due time, what we need.

 

[Oxajil]

It is fact: man can and does communicate with plant life. Plants are...extremely sensitive instruments for measuring man's emotions.

Here, the author makes quite a jump. Measuring man's emotions? What emotions, and how? How did he get to this conclusion?

They radiate energy forced beneficial to man.

Which energy forces? And how are they beneficial to man?

sperm cells turned out to be surprisingly canny in that they seemed to be capable of identifying and reacting to the presence of their own donor, ignoring the presence of other males. Such observations seem to imply that some sort of total memory may go down to the single cell....

Hmmmm, they might seem to imply that, but that may not be the case per se, also not very sure what is meant with "total memory". Sperm cells may just sense the same/different chemical composition or shape or whatever of other sperm cells, just a possibility. Nature is indeed very fascinating and interesting! But it is important to always stay critical minded. Just my thoughts on this, fwiw.

 

[Crystla24]

Oxajil, at the end of the chapters the author(s) cite their sources. The quotes are numbered and the excerps you pulled out were cited, but the citatations in the end of the chapter are not numbered, but here are where they came from, so really I'm sure the full cited books can be read individually... (As I just flipped through I realize that the end of the chapters are recommending further reading and the citations are at the back of the book so both of those excerps are cites as ^1 Peter Tomkins and Christopher Bird, The Secret Life of Plants (New York: Harper & Row, 1973), p. 27, ^2 Ibid., p.22 and ^3 Ibid., pp. 4-5

Interestingly, this part of the book was actually a prelude in the same chapter I pulled my original qoute from when I was stating my opinion on the matter, and word for word, now that I have the book in front of me goes:

"Let's say you decided to create a more beautiful area on your outdoor deck for your meditations. You decide that plants in pots look nice. You remember you have a friend with a green thumb, and so you specifically ask for assistance: "Say Barbara, do you know any good books on how to garden with containers?" She gets enthusiastic about your project, too, and now you can vividly imagine magenta bougainvillea and trellises of pink and yellow sweet peas. Expectation rises. Your awareness of different kinds of plants becomes activated as you drive through neighborhoods with yards that had seemed insignificant before. As you drive past a nursery, your eye instantly spots an array of Mexican pottery way back in the yard. Last month you probably never even noticed the nursery on that corner because your mind had not yet formulated a need for it. Then, oddly enough, your neighbors move away, leaving you with their herbal planter box. For your birthday, two friends give you geraniums and a potted lemon tree. Eventually, there comes a time, perhaps at sunset, when you look around and realize that your dream of an abundance of plants has become a reality.
The life you have at this moment is the completed picture of your current thoughts, beliefs, and past responses."

Really, I had used this qoute in my own context earlier, but the whole chapter is about the responses to cellular activity along with awareness and such. This really is an interesting book to say the least though...maybe I could just leave this book as a recommendation :) And I did forewarn it is a little "make your own reality"ish, but in context of the full book I would not simply write it of as such.

 

[larsman]

What is consciousness? And how is it related to impressions as food?

Many years ago I noticed how driving could be quite automatic for me at times. That I often daydreamed and was unaware of my surroundings as I drove a one-ton vehicle a mile a minute down the road. Then some movement on the road, another car or an animal, would catch my attention and driving quickly became a different experience.

This is the functioning of the moving center. But that's where awareness begins. Thoughts and feelings can be divorced from the body in the sense that both can be someplace else other than in a given moment: fantasy & daydreaming. But awareness, to the extent it is present in the moment, is right there with the form, with the body.

Can impressions be made food without awareness?