Costa Concordia

[MK Scarlett]

[...] otherwise you're never going to move one centimeter from where you currently are.

" moving of assembly point" from Castaneda? :/ I am so sorry if it is not the good term, I do not have Castaneda in English...

 

[stellar]

My concern was, this event is insignificant compared to larger-scale events (everything can be said to be "symbolic"). Scale-wise, collapsing cranes everywhere warrants more attention than one sunken cruise liner blown up by the media. However, like SeekinTruth said, something can be learned from this (in my opinion, tiny) event. So, scale may not really matter.

And in my opinion, everything is symbolic in our lives, as above so below, as within so without. A messy home, for example, may be symbolic of the owners' inner state. No matter how simple or in your face the situation is, I think one can learn to 'see' something and learn a lesson. Just my experience. :/

 

[anart]

[...] otherwise you're never going to move one centimeter from where you currently are.

" moving of assembly point" from Castaneda? :/ I am so sorry if it is not the good term, I do not have Castaneda in English...

No, I meant it in a more down to earth way than that. (I don't completely buy many of Castaneda's theories, by the way, though he makes several very valid observations in his books ;) ) What I meant is that unless Muxel can learn to truly question his own thinking, he will never develop past the point he is now - esoterically, spiritually, intellectually, in all ways actually. The key to learning, in my experience, is deeply understanding how ignorant you really are and how your own mind leads you astray most of the time. Until you viscerally grasp the concept that you are nothing, that you know nothing, that you understand nothing, you can't begin to move in an 'upward' direction. It's not metaphor, it's reality.

 

[luc]

what I find interesting is the media attention to this.

Haven't you noticed that some news are spreading like wildfire through out all branges of the media (TV, Radio, News Papers etc) for days even weeks ? and some news are not considered by any media ? it is like there is a agreement between TV stations Radio, News Papers etc. to what item gets coverage, in wich ammount and for how long.

This seems to be an important observation - isn't this the new form of censorship in the age of information overflow? You don't have to censor anymore, just make sure you control what is run as the "big stories", the rest gets ignored anyway. That also means one should pay close attention to these "big stories" and what they may reveal about the state of affairs, osit.

As for the mechanism behind it, I guess it is less an agreement and more an inner circle of "leading media guys" that set the agenda, and all others just follow the trend.

This is a whole topic of its own, sorry if that was a bit OT.

 

[Palinurus]

And in my opinion, everything is symbolic in our lives, as above so below, as within so without. A messy home, for example, may be symbolic of the owners' inner state. No matter how simple or in your face the situation is, I think one can learn to 'see' something and learn a lesson. Just my experience.

That's my experience as well.
In fact all those tiny little daily things that mostly go unnoticed, can provide a very good training ground to practice discernment. It's the Sherlock Holmes way of observing reality from an empathetic point of view, I would say (got that one from Laura somewhere). Can be quite revealing at times when you get the 'knack' of it. Helped me to get out of dire straits (or prevent me from stumbling into those) numerous times. Very important, osit.

 

[Esote]

what I find interesting is the media attention to this.

Haven't you noticed that some news are spreading like wildfire through out all branges of the media (TV, Radio, News Papers etc) for days even weeks ? and some news are not considered by any media ? it is like there is a agreement between TV stations Radio, News Papers etc. to what item gets coverage, in wich ammount and for how long.

It's exactly how the main stream medias seem to deal with the information they display: Focus on a few areas/events and forget about much of what is happening. An agreement between them ? May be more like imitation imo. Plus the facts that there are very few info sources and much less big boss who are in charge.
Nevertheless the symbolism is quite interesting. Who knows ? Always learning...

 

[MK Scarlett]

[...] otherwise you're never going to move one centimeter from where you currently are.

" moving of assembly point" from Castaneda? :/ I am so sorry if it is not the good term, I do not have Castaneda in English...

No, I meant it in a more down to earth way than that. (I don't completely buy many of Castaneda's theories, by the way, though he makes several very valid observations in his books ;) ) What I meant is that unless Muxel can learn to truly question his own thinking, he will never develop past the point he is now - esoterically, spiritually, intellectually, in all ways actually. The key to learning, in my experience, is deeply understanding how ignorant you really are and how your own mind leads you astray most of the time. Until you viscerally grasp the concept that you are nothing, that you know nothing, that you understand nothing, you can't begin to move in an 'upward' direction. It's not metaphor, it's reality.

Thanks anart for helping, because I know nothing, I understand nothing, I still am something but I am working on it, I just am learning and sharing. I realise we also learn from others members' mistakes... So I guess we have to accept comments relating a mistake (our own mistake or not) as a gift, something to help to grow... As a new way to explore outside from our usual meaning. Without be "personally" disappointed.

Cannot metaphor be real? In a kind of way?

 

[Andromeda]

So if the sinking of Concordia is symbolic of a sinking of peace, prosperity, and health, then we are in dire straits (pun intended :P).

The Titanic disaster announced somehow great changes in the distributions of power and some dire consequences upon humanity, an given the possible time loop effect in the case of Costa Concordia, it is possible that the Universe, or something in the Universe is telling us something of the same nature? This is just a hypothesis, so wait and see, or maybe we will have other signs from other events.

What do you think?

I think it's an interesting supposition and worth noting. Funny enough, just the day before the Concordia sank, a few of us here were discussing a passage from You Are Not So Smart by David McRaney that talked about coincidences surrounding the Titanic.

In 1898, Morgan Robertson wrote a novel titled Futility. Given that it was written fourteen years before the Titanic sank, eleven years before construction on the vessel even began, the similarities between the book and the real event are eerie. The novel describes a giant boat called the Titan which everyone considers unsinkable. It is the largest ever created, and inside, it seems like a luxury hotel—just like the as yet unbuilt Titanic. Titan had only twenty lifeboats, half of what it would need should the great ship sink. The Titanic had twenty-four, also half what it needed. In the book, the Titan hits an iceberg in April four hundred miles from Newfoundland. The Titanic, years later, would do the same in the same month in the same place. The Titan sinks, and more than half of the passengers die, just as with the Titanic. The number of people on board who die in the book and the number in the future accident are nearly identical. The similarities don’t stop there. The fictional Titan and the real Titanic both had three propellers and two masts. Both had a capacity of three thousand people. Both hit the iceberg close to midnight.

McRaney thinks that coincidences are nothing more than coincidences - but I don't think that's always correct. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens!

 

[Laura]

There's actually more to Andromeda's remark that just the day before we were discussing the Titanic at breakfast (in the context of McRaney's book). The next day, she and Perceval had to drive to Marseille on business and were on the waterfront admiring the giant Med cruisers and talking about how nice it would be to take a cruise. AT THAT VERY MOMENT the Concordia was going down.

 

[Gawan]

In 1898, Morgan Robertson wrote a novel titled Futility. Given that it was written fourteen years before the Titanic sank, eleven years before construction on the vessel even began, the similarities between the book and the real event are eerie. The novel describes a giant boat called the Titan which everyone considers unsinkable. It is the largest ever created, and inside, it seems like a luxury hotel—just like the as yet unbuilt Titanic. Titan had only twenty lifeboats, half of what it would need should the great ship sink. The Titanic had twenty-four, also half what it needed. In the book, the Titan hits an iceberg in April four hundred miles from Newfoundland. The Titanic, years later, would do the same in the same month in the same place. The Titan sinks, and more than half of the passengers die, just as with the Titanic. The number of people on board who die in the book and the number in the future accident are nearly identical. The similarities don’t stop there. The fictional Titan and the real Titanic both had three propellers and two masts. Both had a capacity of three thousand people. Both hit the iceberg close to midnight.

McRaney thinks that coincidences are nothing more than coincidences - but I don't think that's always correct. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens!

Thanks for sharing, I was reading it yesterday myself and also thought that there must be some exceptions to it as well.

 

[Cosmos]

There's actually more to Andromeda's remark that just the day before we were discussing the Titanic at breakfast (in the context of McRaney's book). The next day, she and Perceval had to drive to Marseille on business and were on the waterfront admiring the giant Med cruisers and talking about how nice it would be to take a cruise. AT THAT VERY MOMENT the Concordia was going down.

all these "coincidences" that happen almost daily are kind of funny.
I'm used to it now for quite some time.

It is hard to find out if there is a meaning behind them and if so wich and from wich direction it "comes from".
the universe is really communicating if you choose to listen. but again some of those coincidences could be a planed distraction from higher realms.

 

[Laura]

all these "coincidences" that happen almost daily are kind of funny.
I'm used to it now for quite some time.

It is hard to find out if there is a meaning behind them and if so wich and from wich direction it "comes from".
the universe is really communicating if you choose to listen. but again some of those coincidences could be a planed distraction from higher realms.

There was another one about a week before the Concordia thing. We decided to watch a DVD and the selection (made by me) was "The Ghost and the Darkness." After it was over, we talked a bit about the story it was based on, the reviews the movie got, that Val Kilmer was attacked by whoever, which led to talking about Val Kilmer movies. There were a couple people present (we had guests) who had not seen "Top Gun." And one of our household hadn't seen it either... she thought it was a western! We didn't have a copy on DVD, so I ordered one. Two days later, the DVD arrived and we planned to watch it that night. I went up to check my email and there was a news alert about Top Gun pilot murder suicide!

That sort of got my attention.

There were a couple other weird coincidences over the next few days, it was all just sort of making my hair stand up so I was paying attention.

What I usually think about when these things happen is that "someone or some thing is changing the program" (The Matrix: black cat walks by twice thing). I generally figure that it means that something isn't going the way it is supposed to go according to some 4D template, and things are being meddled with.

But that's just one way of looking at it. Mainly, we usually can't know what such things mean ultimately, but they do get our attention and maybe that is what they are supposed to do? To make us alert and careful; that the wolf is circling, trying to find a way in, so caution is in order.

 

[Yozilla]

But that's just one way of looking at it. Mainly, we usually can't know what such things mean ultimately, but they do get our attention and maybe that is what they are supposed to do? To make us alert and careful; that the wolf is circling, trying to find a way in, so caution is in order.

Maybe those "incidents" are manifestations of STS control system "bugs" that could not be dealed with... Maybe (again!) so much additional variables (The Wave and The Awakening of more and more people - I so hope so...) must be in-calculated in Matrix in NO TIME that it makes just impossible, even for "almighty" 4D STSes to maintain the full stability and efficiency of "System of Drain" ...

 

[Weller]

There is something interesting in these varying “scales” of symbols/signs. I wonder if at certain times we are more attuned to these coincidences, when in reality they are going on all the time, but we tend to notice the ones that are more emotionally charged or somehow capture our curiosity. If I take the time to review carefully, a certain theme or idea sometimes runs through my day or week that I wouldn't notice otherwise–if I'm not emotionally invested in the theme, I barely notice it, or don't dwell on its possible relevance and quickly forget it.

Or could it have to do with the capturing of the emotion of a critical mass of people at once? Maybe there are emotional /psychic “tremors” due to either natural or other causes prior to a particularly charged event that makes us more likely to select a certain movie, or direct a conversation toward a certain topic? This gets to the goal of the HPH web-bot project I guess–which seems to have had mixed results at best.

 

[nofretete1969]

Here in Germany I could read, that the Concordia want to bow to isle Giglio (fleur de lis).

Other scripture and religious literature in which the lily symbolizes purity and chastity also helped establish the flower as an iconographic attribute of the Virgin.

A/to victim for purity and harmony.

Interesting, at present I read the book The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future by Riane Eisler.