Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip

Rabelais

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Here's a disturbing development from our pal, Marco de Beast.

Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in
15 formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

_http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Perhaps this is a bit alarmist, or maybe not alarmist enough, but it appears the path is now cleared for this agenda. I have not had the opportunity to read the full bill (above link), but I did check the statement quoted.

Story found here:
_http://www.syzygyjob.com//index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=35&board=15;topic=257376.0#msg422350
 
Man...they're trying everything to get us all micro-chipped.

In fact it's really not a surprise to see that obamacare would be used as the channel to distribute RFID chips.

If they manage to get started chipping people left and right, although they already do chip people, it's gonna

create a bigger mess than already is.
 
abstract said:
Man...they're trying everything to get us all micro-chipped.

In fact it's really not a surprise to see that obamacare would be used as the channel to distribute RFID chips.

If they manage to get started chipping people left and right, although they already do chip people, it's gonna

create a bigger mess than already is.


It also makes me wonder what will happen to those people who cannot tolerate a foreign body inserted under the skin or a tatoo.

(Which I can't.)

Are they going to start collaring people like dogs? :rolleyes:
 
Gimpy said:
It also makes me wonder what will happen to those people who cannot tolerate a foreign body inserted under the skin or a tatoo.

(Which I can't.)

Are they going to start collaring people like dogs? :rolleyes:

A sharp entrepreneur could merge function with fashion and have them lining up to get tagged :cry:
 

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Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information."
Lie- this is stated nowhere in the bill. Apparently the guy made it up.

The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."
Lie. The data is collected from various sources to evaluate the safety of a medical device, it is not collected from a medical device. The entire section is about creating a registry to evaluate the safety of medical devices. What kind of medical devices?

There’s a new rumor going around about the Democrats’ healthcare bill that’s so absurd and off-base that I hesitate to even bring it up here in order to debunk it. The rumor, which is being spread mostly in online forums and hasn’t yet received any kind of validation from a national political figure, is that the bill would require all Americans to get a microchip embedded in their body so the government can track them.
Or, at least, I think that’s what they are claiming. I’ve seen a few variations, including claims that everyone would need to get the microchips, only people who enroll in the public option would have to get it, and that the bill doesn’t require the implants, but it leaves it open to the government to decide after it is passed if they want to require them. You can view forum threads on the topic here, here, here and here, for examples. The rumor first came to my attention when someone wrote into the OpenCongress Facebook group asking for information on it.
The portion of text people have been referencing to support their claims can be read here, in Title V, Subtitle C – “National Medical Device Registry.” If you read the actual bill text, it’s very clear that this microchip rumor is just completely made up.
What this section of the bill actually does is call on the Secretary of Health and Human Services to “establish a national medical device registry to facilitate analysis of post-market safety and outcomes data” on all Class III medical devices and all “implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining” Class II medical devices that have been used on a patient. In other words, it establishes a registry designed to gather data on the effectiveness and safety of the most highly-regulated medical devices.
The key to understanding this section is knowing what these different classes of medical devices are. The Food and Drug Administration has divided up all medical devices that are used on patients into three classes according to their potential to cause harm. Class I devices include things like tongue depressors, latex gloves and handheld surgical instruments. They are subject to very little control from the FDA. Class II devices are a little more sophisticated, but still not subject to a great amount of FDA oversight. They include things like wheelchairs, surgical needles and x-ray machines. Class III devices require the most FDA oversight, including pre-market testing and approval. They include things like implantable pacemakers, silicone breast implants, and replacement heart valves.
The registry that would be set up by the bill is aimed at tracking the safety of Class III devices and some of the most critical, borderline-Class III devices that are technically classified as Class II. The bill specifies Class II devices that are “implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining,” which is lifted almost verbatim from the FDA’s own definition of Class III devices. Class III devices “usually sustain or support life, are implanted, or present potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury,” the FDA writes on their website. From my limited knowledge of the matter, Class II devices that would be tracked in registry would include things like dental implants, IV bags and catheters.
This rumor about the bill requiring people to have microchips implanted in them by the government seems to be based on a combination of fear of government, paranoia and simply the appearance of the word “implantable” in the bill text. There’s no real analysis going into the rumor, so it’s hard to come up with a more thorough debunking beyond saying that it’s baseless and simply not in the bill.
For more debunking of false rumors about the healthcare bill see this post linking the rumors to the actual bill text.
_opencongress.org/articles/view/1202-The-Latest-Healthcare-Rumor-Microchip-Implants

Don't worry- the NWO isn't going to force anyone to get dental implants or catheders this time.
;)
 
I've just read the document. Implantable devices include pacemakers, bionic ears, artificial hips, breast implants and the like.

Type 2 are anything from stitches, sutures and ......surgical drapes!

It's merely keeping track of material (for want of a better word) used in surgery and modern prosthesis and bionics etc.

Class II and II devices listed at wiki

Class II: General Controls with Special Controls

Class II devices are those for which general controls alone are insufficient to assure safety and effectiveness, and additional existing methods are available to provide such assurances. Therefore, Class II devices are also subject to special controls in addition to the general controls of Class I devices. Special controls may include special labeling requirements, mandatory performance standards, and postmarket surveillance.[2] Devices in Class II are held to a higher level of assurance than Class I devices that they will perform as indicated and will not cause injury or harm to patient or user. Devices in this class are typically non-invasive and include x-ray machines, PACS, powered wheelchairs, infusion pumps, surgical drapes, surgical needles and suture material,acupuncture needles.

[edit] Class III: General Controls and Premarket Approval

A Class III device is one for which insufficient information exists to assure safety and effectiveness solely through the general or special controls sufficient for Class I or Class II devices. Such a device needs premarket approval, a scientific review to ensure the device's safety and effectiveness, in addition to the general controls of Class I. Class III devices are described as those for which "insufficient information exists to determine that general controls are sufficient to provide reasonable assurance of its safety and effectiveness or that application of special controls ... would provide such assurance and if, in addition, the device is life-supporting or life-sustaining, or for a use which is of substantial importance in preventing impairment of human health, or if the device presents a potential unreasonable risk of illness or injury."[3]

Examples of Class III devices which require a premarket approval include replacement heart valves, silicone gel-filled breast implants, implanted cerebral stimulators, implantable pacemaker pulse generators and endosseous (intra-bone) implants (with the exception of root-form endosseous dental implants which were recently reclassified as Class II).

So my impression of Marco de Beast, is he's fabricating the story on some dodgy assumptions. I mean the document screams IMPLANTABLE :scared: and guys like this go off on a tin-foil hat tangent. It's grey propaganda... Bad guys don't have to worry about implants with everyone carrying around a cellphone.

Just for fun let's see which disinfo sites run with it. I find stories like this more interesting from their meme value. It shows those sites of ill repute, don't do their homework and put it on their website. Gurdjieff's susceptibility in action.

Here's the text from the document, go have a look at it. I skipped to the end page and worked back.

_http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Subtitle C—National Medical

10 Device Registry

11 SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.

12 (a) REGISTRY.—

13 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal

14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is

15 amended—

16 (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as sub17

section (h); and

18 (B) by inserting after subsection (f) the

19 following:

20 ‘‘National Medical Device Registry

21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med22

ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the

23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and

24 outcomes data on each device that—

25 ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

‘‘(B) is—

2 ‘‘(i) a class III device; or

3 ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable,

4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

5 ‘‘(2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall,

6 in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs,

7 the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid

8 Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordi9

nator for Health Information Technology, and the Sec10

retary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods

11 for—

12 ‘‘(A) including in the registry, in a manner con13

sistent with subsection (f), appropriate information

14 to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by

15 type, model, and serial number or other unique iden16

tifier;

17 ‘‘(B) validating methods for analyzing patient

18 safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and

19 for linking such data with the information included

20 in the registry as described in subparagraph (A), in21

cluding, to the extent feasible, use of—

22 ‘‘(i) data provided to the Secretary under

23 other provisions of this chapter; and

24 ‘‘(ii) information from public and private

25 sources identified under paragraph (3);

1 ‘‘(C) integrating the activities described in this

2 subsection with—

3 ‘‘(i) activities under paragraph (3) of sec4

tion 505(k) (relating to active postmarket risk

5 identification);

6 ‘‘(ii) activities under paragraph (4) of sec7

tion 505(k) (relating to advanced analysis of

8 drug safety data); and

9 ‘‘(iii) other postmarket device surveillance

10 activities of the Secretary authorized by this

11 chapter; and

12 ‘‘(D) providing public access to the data and

13 analysis collected or developed through the registry

14 in a manner and form that protects patient privacy

15 and proprietary information and is comprehensive,

16 useful, and not misleading to patients, physicians,

17 and scientists.

18 ‘‘(3)(A) To facilitate analyses of postmarket safety

19 and patient outcomes for devices described in paragraph

20 (1), the Secretary shall, in collaboration with public, aca21

demic, and private entities, develop methods to—

22 ‘‘(i) obtain access to disparate sources of

23 patient safety and outcomes data, including—

24 ‘‘(I) Federal health-related electronic

25 data (such as data from the Medicare pro-
 
Preliminary research shows that a great deal of "implantable chip bill hysteria" roads are leading back to Alex Jones' Prison Planet.

Why am I not surprised???? :rolleyes:
 
Johnno said:
Preliminary research shows that a great deal of "implantable chip bill hysteria" roads are leading back to Alex Jones' Prison Planet.

Why am I not surprised???? :rolleyes:

I too tried to find an original report of this, but it all seems to link back to Prison planet, this idea that the bill is covertly talking about chipping.

I too went to read the original bill itself at opencongress.com, where it says under

Subtitle C--Food and Drug Administration

PART 1--IN GENERAL


in regards to an "implantable device":

‘National Medical Device Registry

‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--

‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

‘(B) is--

‘(i) a class III device; or
‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

So it sounds to me that they are referring to a device like a pacemaker, which is implantable, just like you say Johnno.
 
Hey Rabelais; Niiice. Here's mine from several years back.
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Bad guys don't have to worry about implants with everyone carrying around a cellphone.

LOL. Sometimes I forget how controlled things already are, and now I realize that they don't even need the cellphones!

Television by itself was enough to turn my brain into mush for quite a while....

You're right, the idea of implanting a microchip in everyone is also a little too risky for them, it's easier to track people with their

cellphones, record conversations, etc.
 
Thanks for getting to the bottom of that, folks. It seemed a bit over the top, and I hadn't worked through the whole bill. I am doing that now. It is odious enough as it is. Big payday for pharma and insurance.

A Type II device could include an implantable chip, though, if I am reading it right. But give a bit like that to Alex Jones and he will run with it for all it's worth, which it appears he has done. Apologies for carrying his noise over here.

Edit: Marco de Beast is a nom de pun that I used for this post. To my knowledge it belongs to no one living or dead.

Also, had the chip item, as reported in the story, been as the writer hypothesized, the right wing media talking heads (you know who they are, Sean Beckbaugh et al) would have been all over it, 24/7.
 
If I may, there is no need for an implanted chip, as in Belgium, for example, we already have this system for years.
A simple chipped card works just as fine with all your medical information on it, which could be very soon directly linked to our ID chipped card.

FYI.
 
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Bad guys don't have to worry about implants with everyone carrying around a cellphone.

LOL. Sometimes I forget how controlled things already are, and now I realize that they don't even need the cellphones!

Television by itself was enough to turn my brain into mush for quite a while....

You're right, the idea of implanting a microchip in everyone is also a little too risky for them, it's easier to track people with their

cellphones, record conversations, etc.

True, we are way past '1984'.
 
Everything you wanted to know about (RFID) chips, but were afraid to ask:

http://www.michaeljournal.org/newtechno.htm

ps: I'm sticking to Fish 'n' Chips! :lol:
 
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