"Crisis of the Republic" and Pathocrats - An Exercise in Discernment

[Angelo]

The idea of children being born without an apparatus for true love is despicable to many, a heresy of the highest order. For we are all supposed to know that, "all children are innocent and beautiful'. In truth, the soulless child may be innocent by default due to its relative newness in this life, but its energetic cast is pre-determined, for it is recycled in the loop of fate. The entity fragment that enters into a human instrument through a dark body portal is indeed already 'condemned' to ignorance, for it has seen fit to enter this world through a portal built predominantly upon pain and misunderstanding.

It can be said quite easily I think that it is not so much the external environment that informs the child, but the causal imprint of its own entity consciousness, as well as that of its parents. We have all heard of children having grown up in the same household, often only a year or two apart in age, but which exhibit entirely different personal characteristics. The question of differences here can in part be observed by the conditions of 'love' at conception between parents, and what has changed in that arena over time. Often a significant alteration in parental consciousness and intention has resulted, especially after the first child.

We have in this world a gradation of entity portals, in fact, we have all entered through our own portals. Each portal carries a very specific conglomerate of energy fields which is laid out by both worldly forces and cosmic forces, through which we are molded and shaped as we enter into form. The situation as it now arises on earth is that baroque and macabre gravity bodies are proliferating at an alarming rate, we are facing an influx of 'foot soldiers' and 'guardians' such that this world has never seen. The mental environment has been so utterly polluted that few are free from its creeping effect, and the impact of this pollution has been the gradual dismantling of critical discernment and objective awareness.

The shaping of mental environments and thus etheric constructs, or energetic belief systems, is the core tenet of the 'takeover', for it is the soil of life that is being insinuated here with mere fabrications, the very fabric through which human beings view themselves. This is the first arena of control, and the final battleground.

There has been a great deal of talk about 'Indigo' children, about advanced beings finding their voice at younger and younger ages who have roles of immediate leadership. Though let it be said that no person can lead but through hard fought experience, experience gained within the framework and context of current social conditions. Children, those same children being so elevated through media saturation via stories such as Harry Potter, have only disdain for integrity and principled dialogue, for they have not situated themselves upon a foundation of understanding, which can only be gained through life observation and human reciprocity. That is not to say that very advanced beings on both ends of the spectrum are not incarnating now, but those most highly evolved understand that their fundamental role and function is to find stability through which they can work to promote more authentic and comprehensive world conceptions.


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[Angelo]

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In this global struggle for human autonomy and human sovereignty, where is the definition of 'spiritual' to be found? Now, as it stands, there are all around us armies of android warriors, negationists of the truth - the obfuscators of reality. In this arena of exchange - where the stakes are so high, and where a beautiful planet endowed with human creative potential lay on the line - there is an attempt to soften humanities collective interpretation as to what 'spirituality' really means. Many definitions have been dictated to humanity as to how a 'spiritual teacher' should act, speak and behave.

Is the idea of spirituality that has been crafted over time really true to the fully functional, discerning and actuated human being?

In the previous two posts I spoke about the role of human parents, and sexuality in general, in the creation of birth environments. Environments through which beings with little or no soul capacity have managed to gain access to this earth plane. It is ideas such as this which are modern day heresies within the rank and file of 'spiritual communities'. I wish to speak to another heresy today, the heresy of 'conflict'. The heresy of a man or women of knowledge, standing up for truth with strong language in the face of deceit and corruption.

I'm not simply referring to a political or ideological stand, but a stand against the deception found within human communication itself. A stand which calls out a lie as a lie when compelled by greater need. What greater heretic is there in this world, in this Ahrimanically subservient domain, than one who calls out a lie? What greater misdeed in the social order is there than confronting peoples assumptions and self deceptions?

Who is the outcast more than one who does these things?

What is obvious is that throughout the aisles of 'Love and Light' there is a deep seated self deception and denial. A denial of the facts. Even amidst those commentators of 'alternative' things there are barriers to what can and cannot be roundly discussed. A self censorship provoked by a deep fear of consequence. A fear of 'what may come' as the truth of things is revealed.

What is 'conflict' in this world. Can peace be achieved but without a conflict between the heart oriented logic of truth and the self enamored deception of denial and outright deceit? Can the world come to a greater realization without a foundational rift?

This world is on fire, there is no doubt, and all who too narrowly define the parameters of what an individual with higher consciousness should be like, with all of its associated niceties and behavioral characteristics, will lose much energy supporting a structure that is not true to their innate need.

Let us seek honesty above all else. Let us refine our ability to speak honestly with as much composure and integrity as we have, but let us not define what the Great Spirit will ask of us, for we may be surprised by the outcome.

In honesty we are free. If we are honestly seeking a more fundamental truth, and are dedicated to that truth above all else, the behavioral recommendations of society mean little, for the new cannot be contained within the old. And as the old dies away, there must be those already anchoring the new, unhampered by the conventions of yesteryear.


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[Laura]

Angelo, you have pretty well outlined what I perceive... and it only makes me feel cosmically weary to be doing this yet again. All that runs through my mind is: "miles to go before I sleep."

 

[Fifth Way]

What greater heretic is there in this world, in this Ahrimanically subservient domain, than one who calls out a lie? What greater misdeed in the social order is there than confronting peoples assumptions and self deceptions?...[]...What is 'conflict' in this world. Can peace be achieved but without a conflict between the heart oriented logic of truth and the self enamored deception of denial and outright deceit? Can the world come to a greater realization without a foundational rift?

Right on!

Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.

 

[Guest]

Excellent post! Alot of what is said resonates with me, and is so clearly written that there is really nothing to say. Some of it, however, doesn't resonate as much, and I would like to address those portions, which may just constitute details.

The coming together of men and women whom seek only after self pleasure and self gratification inevitably lays the energetic groundwork for lifeforms devoid of an emotional context which includes true heart motives. The more forceful the sexual fire, the more intense the sexual deviance, of either individual, the more dark body gravity it elicits. This dark gravity instigates a portal of interpretation and inter-penetration, through which, forces seeking a suitable mainframe of experience can enter. These dense deposits of sexual malfeasance are ideally suited for entities seeking 'freedom' through self satisfaction and physical immortality.

Some years ago, I had a few bottles of wine with my parents and started asking some questions regarding the conditions of my conception. I've been intrested in this topic for a while and interviewed a number of my aquaintances regarding what they knew about their conception events.

I will not go into details, but in my case there was some love, but it was more in the form of intense attraction. And the attraction was basically physical. My mother didn't want a child at the time, but my father to prove his manhood basically. The passion was mutual, from what I understood, but true heart motives did not really come into play. By the above account I should by a very dark and emotionless entity indeed. I do not consider myself such.

I have meditated much combining the information my parents gave me and all that I have had to encounter in life. The lack of true heart left a gap within, but this is a gap that I knew I had to fill myself. I always had a profound sense of the meaning of love, and have felt it often. However, the gap exists attracting forcing that wound the heart to feed the gap, and the gap exists revealing that love is not a gift in this life but something that has to be created and grown into.

That which gives me strength to do so is my passion and love of life, and this I feel to be a reflection of the passion my parents felt for each other during my conception. My love, or I should say, lust for life gives me a grounded foundation upon which I know the open heart can flourish when it is strong enough to do so.

I would gather forceful sexual fire and deviance then imply a force of one person upon an unwilling other. This is not sexual fire, but violence. Sexual fire, when mutual bonds the soul to the body in a healthy fashion. Those who were most deviant were those whose parents had the least physical attraction for each other.

Similarly there are many of older generations concieved by quite moral and ethical parents, and these grew into repressive adults who hated life. Parents adhering strictly to religious tenets tend to beget children who do not have a love of the physical plane. If there is a finer love between these parents the children tend to also exhibit as sense of good and right, and if there is not, a more psychopathic presence can manifest.

Yet in most cases where the sexual fire burns low during conception, matter is not a friendly realm. There are cases of deviance where the sexual fire is coupled with hatred, ambition and opportunism. In these cases the sexual fire is a means to an end and again we have violence posing as sexuality. I knew someone concieved in a Satanic-type ritual who was very psychic, very manipulative, but her sense of the physical was as something for which she hungered, and actually hated although to the unwary observer she came off as passionate.

So one has to be careful when addressing this issue because there is a fine line between morality and moralizing, and throwing the baby with the bathwater when we confuse violence for true passion. Interestingly enough, Casdaneda's case was one of diminished passion, a situation under which many "good" people are concieved.

Though rarely in human history has the sexual depravity, or animalistic thirst for satisfaction, been so inter-coiled with a human etheric field bordering on the divine. Thus, we now have highly evolved androids in our midst which can exhibit to a tremendous degree a highly refined 'spirituality' that is not only convincing, put penetrating in its ability to integrate the components of all schools of thought into an apparently coherent ensemble.

I would not equate sexual depravaty, which is violence posing as sex, and animalistic thirst for satisfaction which is pure instinct that in humans can be also interpreted as a fundamental expression of a lust for life. And although sex is more marketed now because the means for that marketing are available, just like for religion and everything else, the actual focus upon it is not more than it was in other time periods. I do agree, however, that this is now potentially combining with a human etheric field bordering on the divine, which although probably not a first, is much more prevalent than ever before.

So from the above quote I extract the following equation: animalistic passion+high etheric vibration= highly evolved androids able to mimic spirituality. This does not make sense to me. Violence during conception, whether psychic/emotional or physical, mutual or from perpetrator to victim, negates all high etheric vibrations. That part of the equation is nonexistent in such cases.

When there is mutually satisfactory physical passion combined with a high etheric vibration, the result is the total opposite of the highly evolved android. You have a grounded individual with a passion for life which in itself provides a context to accept this high vibration as part of it. These elements, in fact, tend to fuse through the development of a strong heart presence that balances them.

I have met people who posed as spiritual, and these had little passion evident in their conception and hence little passion for life or anything but to feed a never ending hunger that exists because they are not connected, but alienated. The pose as spiritual through observation and mimicry, in the same manner they have always done. The only difference is the degree of marketing tactics promoting them, making them seem larger than what they are, and it is these marketing presentations that bias all who meet them. The ones I have met always had a number of others trying to condition my impression of them before I actually met them.

These people seem to be growing in numbers because they are becoming organized and working together more than ever before. They seem to recognize each other and move with greater purpose than before, similar to how they probably moved when major religions were being established in the political domains of the past. If they are increasing, it is because of the poisoning of the environment, electronically as well as chemically, which may be causing minor but effective mutations.

These days are no less ethical than any other days, especially if you look at the global picture instead of restricting the view to Euroamerican societies. The difference now is that things are at the surface, and we are waking up to the fact and what is at the surface is throwing off all pretences. This is the conclusion that my honest assessment leads me.

As I said, the article resonates well with me as a whole, and is very well written. And it is especially in such a presentation that we must be careful of potential misunderstandings that can affect the energy of the greater truth through hidden bias. This devil in the details can easily distort the potential of the message without us being aware of this ever happening.

 

[Laura]

I guess I oughta chime in on my own "conception" story. As I understand it, my parents had already separated but a family friend persuaded my mother to give it another try. I am the result. My brother was planned and wanted, I was not.

 

[anart]

I have to chime in with my agreement on EsoQuest's point that...

So one has to be careful when addressing this issue because there is a fine line between morality and moralizing, and throwing the baby with the bathwater when we confuse violence for true passion. Interestingly enough, Casdaneda's case was one of diminished passion, a situation under which many "good" people are concieved.

I'm very leery of holding the child accountable for the sins of the father/mother (so to speak - and I realize that this is not exactly what's being presented here). I understand the energetic framework involved in the idea that the manner of conception has an effect on the person conceived, but I must admit to feeling that the conclusions reached here strike me as being overly negative and limiting. This is just how the information strikes me personally, and I could be completely wrong about it, and I'm certainly willing to consider that I am. I just thought I'd bring up my discomfort with the idea that the child of rape/violence has a future ahead of them filled with the same, or at the very least, has a 'stain' of violence and darkness that they must carry with them. Perhaps I simply need to spend more time trying to understand the concept, but that's my impression at this point.

As far as my personal conception story, from what I understand, a miscarraige preceding my birth made my conception a very hopeful event - my parents have always had issues in their marriage with fidelity and dominance, so I'm not sure about the details of the actual 'act of conception' - quite frankly, I doubt they could pinpoint exactly when it happened, from my understanding of their married life, but they are still together, despite going through some very difficult times. There was a lot of expectation and trepidation surrounding my birth, as my mother put it, "I really wanted you after losing the baby boy". What effect this attitude had on me, I've no idea.

 

[Guest]

I understand the energetic framework involved in the idea that the manner of conception has an effect on the person conceived, but I must admit to feeling that the conclusions reached here strike me as being overly negative and limiting. This is just how the information strikes me personally, and I could be completely wrong about it, and I'm certainly willing to consider that I am.

I wanted to point out that from what I observed there is an apparent correlation between the energy of conception and the life challenges for an individual. However, this is not the ONLY variable and it is not a condeming one to the degree Angelos post seemed to imply. After all psychopaths are still in a minority, which indicates that conditions that draw in "dark energies" to the point that the person is vampiric or a robot are very extreme and NOT the norm by any means.

As far as the actual indigo children are concerned, it seems to me as a paving of the way for some psychopaths among them to be declared as "special", and the few gifted among them are used as examples to cover the fact. I don't really believe that a whole generation of dark of bright beings is coming (or has come) unilaterally into the world. This sounds too much like positive/negative scape-goating to me (depending on which polarity one associates with that generation of children).

 

[Fifth Way]

... a miscarraige preceding my birth made my conception a very hopeful event...

I also (like eso and anart) think one has to be careful to draw conclusions from the way of conceptions alone. I.e. miscarriages are extremely common. Nevertheless they are always hard to deal with and create emotional complications on top of the already complex process but for everybody very different.

Again I have no data to prove it but I always thought that souls choose the parents and the circumstances for their incarnation. I also think a soul can make a mistake and rectify it by not continuing the path (hence a miscarriage or even later - sudden infant death syndrome = cot death). Or a soul may need a specific amount of 'darkness' in his incarnation only to learn how to overcome it, as a chance to grow in a way that my otherwise would not have been possible.

But on the other hand I understand Angelo's writing as describing how certain potentialities can come into play and only as such I would look at it.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

As far as my personal conception story, from what I understand, a miscarraige preceding my birth made my conception a very hopeful event - my parents have always had issues in their marriage with fidelity and dominance, so I'm not sure about the details of the actual 'act of conception' - quite frankly, I doubt they could pinpoint exactly when it happened, from my understanding of their married life, but they are still together, despite going through some very difficult times. There was a lot of expectation and trepidation surrounding my birth, as my mother put it, "I really wanted you after losing the baby boy". What effect this attitude had on me, I've no idea.

I'm the second child (4.5 years in between me and my sister). My parents had trouble conceiving me, and were going to adopt. They didn't think they'd be able to conceive a second child, then I came along. (I was going to be a Christmas baby, but came out a week early)

 

[Laura]

Now that I think about it, the C's had an interesting remark to make about this subject a few months ago. The question was asked by an individual whose parents show all the signs of being narcissists, at the very least... it's almost like he is a completely different species from them. Anyway, here's part of what the C's said (excluding only the personal part):

But keep in mind always that they are the parents of the physical not the soul. This is true for all. In some cases, in this particular time in the cycle, many who made plans for this gathering of souls had to take "what you could get" in terms of incarnational options. For the most part strong parent child bonds are part of the genetic body.

 

[Fifth Way]

But keep in mind always that they are the parents of the physical not the soul. This is true for all.

There you go. Thanks for sharing.

 

[rs]

I just thought I'd bring up my discomfort with the idea that the child of rape/violence has a future ahead of them filled with the same, or at the very least, has a 'stain' of violence and darkness that they must carry with them.

The stain is not on the child, the stain is on the parent. However it is a deep stain and its reflection on the child, a young, impressionable, easily influenced child might be deep.

My own parents had their own attitudes about themselves (but not related to rape/violence...) and these attitudes affected me deeply. It took me literally decades to be able to see that it was an attitude from them about themselves and to see that it had nothing to do with me, and so I should simply choose to set that particular collection of baggage down on the sidewalk and leave it be. I mean it wasn't even my baggage.

Who knows, maybe I'll take my own advice someday...

 

[Fifth Way]

"Crisis of the Republic" and Pathocrats - An Exercise in Discernment

rs wrote:

It took me literally decades to be able to see that it was an attitude from them about themselves and to see that it had nothing to do with me, and so I should simply choose to set that particular collection of baggage down on the sidewalk and leave it be. I mean it wasn't even my baggage.

Good for you!
Because that is the hardest thing in the world.

Don Miguel Ruiz and his book The Four Agreements come to mind - specifically agreement 2.
In his book he describes how we constantly make agreements with ourselves that keep limiting us (i.e.: I just can't learn all that stuff etc) - I agree with myself that that is what I can or cannot do.

However as a child our parents make our agreement for us, which are in fact their agreements (i.e: You idiot, you will never learn all that stuff etc). As children we naturally trust our parents and accept their agreements as truth. This is how they become our own and from that moment we keep enforcing them on ourselves even without our parent's help.
To understand this and see through it is very hard. And even when we do understand it on an intellectual level we are still not necessarily able to put their bag down because we programmed ourselves for decades.
Ruiz' strategy (based on Toltec teachings, http://www.miguelruiz.com/teachings/fouragreements.html) is, rather than fighting your old agreements that are so hard to break, to make NEW agreements and keep them.

The four below are for him the quintessential ones you need to make to "un-become" your parents or un-become whoever forced agreements on you (as we discussed child abuse on various other threads) to finally become yourself.

Don Miguel Ruiz wrote:

1. Be Impeccable With Your Word
Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don't Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don't Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse and regret.

Remembering that I made those four agreement (in the past) helps me a lot with interrelationship garbage one constantly deals with on a daily bases.

 

[davidfxl]

"The Theory and Conclusion expressed here is plainly wrongheaded. No 9-11 Conspiracy is a Required element in the waking integrity of anyone, let alone for the salvation of men from themselves; it's just a bogus, hyperventilating obsession that distracts from the Fact that evil men have ever strained to dominate, in whatever guise, and will continue to do so until all are enslaved...Period. Big deal, eh? So be it, but you don't NEED 9-11 Conspiracy concepts to draw the lines, now do ya?"
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I think on some level this person has a good point. There have been times when I thought very similar to this and would have expressed myself in this way, especial in my moments of self-absorption. In doing so the point I would not get, is that my ramblings would have been no benefit to anyone except myself.

I now know that I am not so enlightened and life is not so obvious. I thank the likes of SOTT to expose situations and give me a different angle to think on. This does not mean that I am obsessed with 911 conspiracy theories and the like. It means that I have begun to challenge my own belief systems. I see now how trained and manipulated my life has been.

Now, after several years of ongoing self work, I don't feel obliged to read every article or even visit the SOTT site say, maybe once a week. I then look for articles on subjects that tweak my interest. What I find when I read the article(s), is not so much the juicy details of such and such exposed or that exposed, but the kind of critical and at times higher thinking that is involved in the articles themselves. This usually has a direct effect on me in that it adds to my knowledge, perceptions and heightens my own awareness.

My point being, people like me need net sites and articles like the ones on SOTT. Thanks again to the SOTT's of the net. Sorry for this moment of self-absorption.