Cruise on Birth Control

[j0da]

Anybody know how many children LRH raised successfully to adulthood with a minimum of hang-ups?

Little is known about his kids, or at least I heaven't heard much about them. It seems not everything went so smooth and fine in his family.

One naturally wonders why the followers of CoS don't do more "checking" on LRH's pronouncements the way we do research on stuff the C's say?

Sheeesh :) It's a big NO NO in the CofS. Nobody is allowed to even try to verify anything, or doubt it. Those who did it anyway were forced to leave, if they haven't left on their own. While in the early years Hubbard agreed that his techniques were far from perfection, and that further research and polishing was needed, in later period 'something' happened to him, as he became more and more...well, weird at least. So, no, no one inside of CofS is allowed to change anything, even if modern revelations and research undermine some of LRH advices.

On one hand keeping all techniques intact prevents the work methods from dissipation, on the other hand - it creates the danger of creating dogmas which are to be followed no matter how unworkable they are. This problem can be encountered in many spiritual movements - how to protect the teachings and advance them in the same time, according to new revelations. I haven't encountered balanced approach to that dillema yet, usually one can find more or less extreme solutions - either orthodoxy, or dissipated, watered down philosophies, propagated by different off-shoot groups.

What can I say...what a mess!

 

[gaelen]

So, all in all, LRH's attempts to create a better way are illogical, ignorant and a menace to the infant and probably the mother as well.

I feel very sorry for any mothers and babies subjected to this regimen. Might as well go back to being chattel of Yahweh if the words of this man are going to be the replacement... not much difference IMO.

For me this is yet more evidence that not only is Scientology not to be trusted but I think it might be another branch of a CoIntepro operation that has done some serious "vacuuming" in the past and present. This is one aspect that can be seen in many other areas. There is plenty of evidence of negative consequences both from ex-members and participants (which are however laced with undoubtedly proven beneficial effects). It may find it's way onto sites that disparage those that are innocent of wrongdoing but in this case I think Scientology and it's huge corporate tentacles are responsible for some major mind re-wiring that is detrimental. It may be similar to the Landmark groups in this regard - it may work for OPs perhaps but maybe ultimately damaging on a variety of levels.

It appears to be a massive multi-billion dollar coporation of both beneficial and invasive mind control i.e. truth sandwiched between lies (yet again) in rather a successful and spectacular blend of capitalism, Occult, psychiatry and a splash of New Age. Well overdue for some serious digging on this issue.

Interesting article entitled: "Penthouse, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., & some Black Magic" is worth a look:

http://cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/6970/Penthouse_L_Ron_Hubbard_Jr_some_Black_Magic

And quite an interesting read here from a site that has quite a bit of info:

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html

Also from Wiki:

"One controversial aspect of Hubbard's early life revolves around his association with Jack Parsons, an aeronautics professor at Caltech and an associate of the British occultist Aleister Crowley. Hubbard and Parsons were allegedly engaged in the practice of ritual magick in 1946, including an extended set of sex magick rituals called the Babalon Working, intended to summon a goddess or "moonchild." (Among occultists today, it is widely accepted Hubbard derived a large part of 'Dianetics' from Golden Dawn occult ideas such as the Holy Guardian Angel.) The Church insists Hubbard was a US government intelligence agent on a mission to end Parsons' magickal activities and to "rescue" a girl Parsons was "using" for magical purposes. Critics dismiss these claims as after-the-fact rationalizations. Crowley recorded in his notes that he considered Hubbard a "stupid lout" who made off with Parsons' money and girlfriend in an "ordinary confidence trick." Discussions of these events can be found in the critical biographies Bare-Faced Messiah, A Piece of Blue Sky and in The Marburg Journal of Religion."


Interesting that Hubbard was in the Navy and their initiatory associations of military sex/Magick that seem to be a big part of the military drill as it were. Hubbard may have been well placed to build his empire.

J.