Cs' sessions key sentences

December 17, 1994

Miscellaneous

- Was our alcohol consumption bad for us? Only if in excess.
- Unpleasant is subjective.
- All can create false impression.
- Your free will propels you always.
- If you review you learn. Knowledge protects.
- We only rarely appear as human.
- Intentions are transitory.
- We are not creator any more than you are. We are all creator!
- Open your minds. He is experiencing, you are witnessing. Just watch and see. Look, listen and learn.

Symptoms of progression to 4th density

- How can warts be connected to genetics? Progression to 4th density. How does D__ get rid of her warts? Not the point. Natural progression. Warts are not the issue. All have symptoms, but not all are the same. What can I do to get rid of the warts? They make me feel awful. Adjust your feelings. Am I getting these warts because I am transitioning to 4th density? All are headed to 4th density. So, what does it matter, remember, transformation is always accompanied by some difficulty.

Eddie Page

- You say EDDIE is abducted by Orion STS. What level of beings are doing this abducting? Has been. Has he been abducted by other groups? Yes. The Grays. Are the Grays STO? No. Cybergenetic. Who has told EDDIE that the Grays are good? Many. EDDIE Page says he has been abducted by beings who look like us. Who were they? 4th density Orion STS. Is his father a Pleiadian? No. Why does he think his father is? Is he giving false information? He believes what he is saying. So, what he is saying, he believes to be the truth? Yes. But, is it the truth? It is, but on what level? That is the question. Okay, time to learn… The past and the future are all in the present! So, we are talking about different levels all at the same time… But you know that by now. Are all of his levels together, now? Integrating. So, he is integrating into one? Close enough. Does this mean that, as soon as he has integrated, he will leave this planet? If he chooses. Well, what worries me is that the STS guys have ahold of him and that's not good. Is EDDIE STS? You all are still. You all are moving toward graduation to STO. We all are still STS? Yes.

- EDDIE Page was killed in battle. And aliens revived him. Orion STS. What was their purpose in reviving him and restoring him to life? Purpose already determined. Many faceted. What is the primary purpose? Complex. Has EDDIE Page been subverted and programed to lead people astray? No. Page is experiencer, you are witnesses, that is all!! What is he experiencing? We are watching him put himself all together. That is what we are witnessing, him integrating. He is integrating, we are witnessing. He is putting himself together at all the different levels… there isn't anything more. A lot of what EDDIE Page is saying is disinformation designed to take people in. What is the source of that disinformation? Orion STS. Are they trying to "take his soul?" No. Are they trying to win the battle in terms of dominating him in 4th density? And you and all others. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. All knowledge is good. How can one, such as EDDIE, defend himself against beings of such superior capabilities of mind control, that they can literally put thoughts in his head? He has participated in process. So, at some level he has chosen the STS pathway. Yes. And part of this STS pathway is just going off and leaving his family? Close. But please don't read into situation. Open your mind.

- Who does EDDIE Page channel? Many. Does he channel his father? Not in the sense you mean. All are "father" in some sense. So, when he talks to his father he is talking to many because many are the father? So then, his father would be a collection of DNA composite? No. Collection of consciousness. The universal consciousness? Close. Is EDDIE Page genetically mutated or altered in some way? No. Not in this space time. Does he fully understand what is going on? No. Neither do you.

Realm border crossing

- Would you please explain to me what service to others entails? Complete lack of concern for self. Well, that's a real tough one. It would be like being Mahatma Gandhi, is this correct? Closer. So, when we transition from 3rd density to 4th density we lose that need for service to self? If you transition, you are ready to do so if you choose. So, it's like an instant thing? As soon as you are ready, you are gone! No. Realm border crossing. At the time of the realm border crossing those who are of the correct vibrational frequency to transition will do so, as it says in the Bible, in the twinkling of an eye. Almost instantaneously. We are getting ready… you have to be at least a certain level… it all has to do with the coming of this wave… We ride the wave.

- Very important for all to review, what happens at realm border crossing? We transition to 4th density? Partly. We either choose to transition as STS or STO? Partly. And we do this based upon knowledge? Partly. What do STS 4th Density intend to do? The 4th level STS beings intend to set things up so that they can rule us and feed off of us in 4th density. They want to bring everybody over to their way of thinking and their domination so that we will give them our energy and give up our free will… So, we are being set up. Well, that is part of it. Remember the battle that is supposed to ensue that has already begun at some level, and this will determine, in part, whether we will be STS or STO, which also is known at some level…

Networking

- Always "Network". Networking is 4th Density STO concept seeping into 3rd density with upcoming realm border crossing. Coming from 4th level into 3rd because of influence of wave. So, each of us has a skill that we develop and help each other. We are all part of a body. This is the way lives in STO!

French version is here Séance du 17 décembre 1994

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December 23, 1994

Miscellaneous

- No ritual. Rituals constrict.
- I discovered that if I put vitamin E oil on my warts it stopped them from itching… Potassium.
- Emotions reflect in physical body.
- Childhood is stepping stone to spiritual growth in each lifetime.
- I think I just need to enjoy my daughter rather than trying to control her… Now you are on the right path.
- How can I thank them? Not necessary because we are working together.
- You told us that if we created the maze in the yard and walked it, that it would change our vibrations to the point that we would be able to see you, if we did that as a group, what would be the result? Same. Would a group moving in that energy format create a greater energy than, say, a single individual? Yes. They told us that this was similar to what they did at Stonehenge, that walking a pattern like a maze design would concentrate energy. A spiral.
- Learn by discovery. Everyone is always learning. We want you to do what you will do. I guess that is what it comes down to: get free, get happy… Above all learn. Is there something we can do to help other people? Access instincts, network. Now you are learning, so we will help.
- It is all just lessons for each individual. That is all there is, nothing else. There is nothing, repeat nothing, but lessons. No, everything that exists in all of creation is a lesson, there is no laboratory.

Eddie Page

- Eddie told us he had been abducted three days before. Was this a physical abduction or was it a Virtual Reality abduction? It was the latter. Of the many abductions he claims to have experienced, how many are of the VR type? Half or thereabouts. In a Virtual Reality Abduction, does any part of the person actually leave and go into another dimension? Soul replication. So, a replica of their soul, like a shadow of the soul, so to speak, like maybe a holographic part of the soul gets moved into another dimension and experiences events; is that what you mean? That is close. So, when a person experiences a Virtual Reality Abduction it's virtually real in the sense that it happens to them on some level, or to some part of them? It is real. But, their physical body is not being abducted and going anywhere? The original does not. It said soul replication. Think of photo copier, similar concept. So, half of Eddie's abductions are Virtual Reality Abductions… Yes. And the other half are actual physical abductions? Yes.

- Who is he being abducted by? Orion STSers. And what level of density are these abductors who abduct him? 4th level. So, the 4th level Orion STS group abduct Eddie Page. What do they look like? They rearrange appearance. Well, to look like what? What ever is anticipated by the abductee. And, since you say that they rearrange their appearance, in their natural state, before they are rearranged, what do they look like? Natural state is variable. Are they robots? Some. What do the robots look like? Grays. What do the 4th density STS Orions look like? Are they Lizzies? Some. So, Eddie Page is getting hauled out by the Lizzies and the Grays and they make themselves look and seem nice to him? Laura, 3 and 4 don't jibe. Are there 3rd level Lizzies? All these are 4th who sometimes travel to 3rd rules are totally different in 4th density have you not grasped this yet?

French version is here Séance du 23 décembre 1994​
 
December 28, 1994

Miscellaneous
- The universe is an infinite illusion.
- We are not Jesus Christ.
- Stop focusing so narrowly and rigidly.
- Blast your mind open.
- Learning involves discovery.
- All happens for a reason.

Checking the Source

- Where are you from? I'm sorry, where are you from? Cassiopaea. If you don't ask, how do you know who we are? Well, if you were the Lizzies and I asked, wouldn't you answer that you were the Cassiopaeans to deceive me? They would not. Well, aren't they telling Eddie Page that they are the Pleiadeans? Not Lizzies. Orion STS. Well, if you were Orion STS and we asked who you were, wouldn't you say you were the Cassiopaeans? No. Pleiadians. That is "trendy" thus deceptive.

Review the transcripts

- At one point in the transcript of past sessions you said that you could not help the Jews or the Native Americans who called upon you, and yet, you say that when we call on you that you can help us. What is the difference? Did not say that, review transcript now! We cannot interfere to help, knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. You can help yourselves to gain knowledge, we can be the "conduit."

A bit of psychology

- Now, before Frank arrived, V__ and I were having a discussion about physics and psychology and it is my understanding from experience and study, that emotions, as human beings term them, are related to physiology, to chemicals, and can be controlled by thoughts. And, that if we choose to change our emotions, we have only to change our thinking. Is this correct? Partly. But how many of the population can do that? Or would even believe that they could do that? That is not the issue. Well then, what is the issue? Karma.

- Are emotions that are carried over karmically, do they affect the physical body that they come into in a chemical way? Can. So Laura's hypothesis that all emotions stem from chemicals is not necessarily true as an exclusive statement? Okay.

- Does the soul have emotions of its own as we human beings term emotions? Close. What emotions does the soul experience? Complex. Can the soul, at an absolute level, experience hatred, for example? Not same state. Well, when one is dealing with psychology, what would be the best approach... what is the true aspect of the self or the being that one should inquire into in order to heal? Subconscious mind. Is the statement that psychology studies emotions, is that a fair statement? No. Subconscious is same in body or out. The subconscious is part of the soul? One and same. Is the higher self the same as the soul and the subconscious? Yes.

- Please define true psychology for me? Half. Half spirituality. What is true psychology? Is it the investigation of the subconscious mind? True psychology only half. Physiologically directed study of mind. The effects on the mind of the physiology, the hormones, blood sugar levels and so forth, input and output of the various organs and how that can affect the thought processes, is that correct? Close. And that is half of it. What else? Spirit is missing half. And what would the person who is working on the spiritual half of it focus their energies on? Would it be techniques of meditation, understanding the nature of the universe, would it have to do with physics, what area? Apples and oranges.

- All of those things are apples and oranges compared to the spiritual application of psychology that you intend? No. Spirit has nothing to do with psychology as you know it. But, in this theoretical psychology that you are telling us about, how would you fit the spiritual aspect into it? Totally restructure theory. Okay, and how would you present this totally restructured theory? Much too complex.

- Well, is this the only species in the universe that studies this concept of psychology? Are there psychologists in Orion, are there psychologists in Cassiopaea? Narrow concept. Expand your mind. Less prejudice.

Degrees and schooling

- Well, the professional world here on planet Earth is built around degrees. I'm sure you are aware of that. Incorrect! Disinformation cleverly and carefully orchestrated. For what purpose? To mislead. Not just you. All humans. Are you saying that the public school system, including the college system, is deliberately designed and implemented to fill one's brain with false knowledge, to perpetuate Lizzie rule? Close but this manifests at lower levels too.

Access through meditation to what you don't yet realize

- You guys have said you are with us at all times, then you must know that I constantly am thinking about the possibilities... not even to think about possibilities, just accept that there is endless, boundless possibilities and move forward every day from that point of view? That's a good start.

- Well, if I have as open a mind as I do, I mean, I think I have a pretty open mind, what do you guys consider an open mind? How... as 3rd dimensional beings, how open can our minds be? Can you not tell that I am trying? You are moving to 4th level, but all are not at same level of progression. Am I doing... let's put it this way, if I am moving on in my progression, what are the most critical things that I am doing in my moving and my progressing to move faster, that's making it happen? What are the key things that I do... Association with individuals who speed your progress.

- Influence comes not from experience but belief. Okay, in other words you have warned her about influences therefore, it is now okay for her to continue on her daily path as it is currently set up because she has been warned and is aware, is that correct? Close. Well, I guess that is it. You have the knowledge now. Now, you could gain much more knowledge by independent study and meditation.

- But you are not going to tell me how I can do this otherwise, are you? We just did, but because you are not yet open, you did not recognize this. So, independent study and meditation is the true way that I could find how to help other people? Yes. So, in other words, if it is going to happen, it is going to happen. No need to force the issue, huh? Once this is published and people start being aware of what we do, what will they be looking for? Everything.

- Was there something I was supposed to learn from this collision? If so, learn by meditating.

French version is here Séance du 28 décembre 1994​
 
December 31, 1994

Miscellaneous

- We are light beings, we are you in the future.
- Very important: this time measurement year represents big changes. Changes of what sort? Spiritual linked to physical on planet.
- What is a "Priority One Soul?" One who sacrifices life's pleasures to teach others.

FBI surveillance

- The FBI is watching people who are involved in metaphysics? And UFOs. FBI tracks everyone. Well, they always watch us UFO people… Are they watching people like Eddie Page? Eddie Page file "one." What is a file "one?" Top priority. Is Eddie Page telling the truth? Some. What is he not telling the truth about? Too many things.

Al Bielek

- Previously you had said that Al was an agent of the government disseminating disinformation for one thing, number two: that he knew that he was an agent of the government; there's a little confusion about his participation in the Philadelphia Project; I found a reference to him in an Ivan Sanderson book published some time ago. Susanne says that this poor guy just lives from hand to mouth, and she finds it hard to believe that he is an agent of the government since he lives such a poverty stricken existence. Could you comment, please, on Al Bielek and his activities. Is Al an agent for the government? Al Bielek is many faceted. Poverty is subjective. Is he an agent for the government? They say he is many faceted. Yes. But he is involved in activities.

- In one session you talked about Al Bielek you indicated he was not actually involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, that he was a technician on shore, and that he is now feeding out information that is provided to him, or that he had knowledge above and beyond his involvement with the experiment… Close. Okay, if he is working partly with the government and then partly for his own purposes, what is it that he expects to get out of this? Exposure. What does he want from the exposure? He wants people to know. Does Al know that he is giving out false information… does he know that the information the government is giving him is false? He is so involved you would not believe. He is involved with the government cover-up? With all of it. He knows that what he is saying is false but he has no choice because he is entangled in the web. They are using him.

Myths and legends

- Ask about this letter Susanne sent from some source that states that Jesus was a mythical character. No, Jesus was not mythical. What is the point of this stuff? It is very well done. Why are they trying to prove that Jesus never existed? Nonsense. It is disinformation. Desinformatzia. Russki. This is from Russia? No, we were having some fun with words. What about this information from this Acharya? Babble.

Wave arrival date

- Last session when I was here you were giving us information on how to calculate when the wave is going to reach Earth. I was able to plot two of the four for distance, but two were constellations. I cannot plot those distances. Check third most distant star in Cassiopaea and middle "belt" star in Orion, closest star in Leo.

Role of implants

- What was the purpose of M's abduction? To study his mind. He has a very strong mind and resolve. Did they put an implant in him? Yes. And what do they do with that implant? Is monitor. Frequent ringing in ear signifies monitoring activity.

French version is here Séance du 31 décembre 1994​
 
January 1, 1995 (Continuation of December 31, 1994 session after break for New Year celebration.)

Miscellaneous

- In a sense they are all physical? How many of these abductions were virtual reality abductions? Everything is that.

Budd Hopkins, Linda Cortile, Whitley Strieber, Anne Rice and Stephen King

- We want to know what kind of energy is behind Budd Hopkins? Divergent. Is he on the right track in his research? Halfway. Is the Linda Cortile case a set-up to discredit him? No. Everything that she says happened really happened to her? In 4th density. Well, all the abduction stuff was in 4D, but being pulled out of the apartment from the 17th floor or wherever it was, and being sucked up in the beam of the light, that actually happened to her? In 4th density. How did people in 3rd density see it? Only those who were tuned in saw it. Were there people there who did not see it? Yes.

- What is the energy fueling Whitley Strieber and his work? Grays. He is an agent of the Grays? No. Instrument of the Grays. So, all his writing is compromised by the Grays? Influenced by them. Wolfen reflects Lizzie reality.

- Is Anne Rice channeling her concepts in her vampire books? She also is influenced by the Grays. What about Stephen King? Carnal influences.

Chakras

- Chakras are like escalators, you choose your step and rise accordingly. I don't know much about chakras. Learn. The whole thing is that we are supposed to learn for ourselves. They will point us in the right direction, but then we are supposed to go out and do it. If you don't learn it on your own, you don't really learn. You have to go out and fall off the log a couple times to learn to walk the log. With meditation and metaphysical exercise, I can lift my chakras higher, is this correct? Yes. Dedication? Yes. Is it all in what I perceive my purpose to be? Yes.

French version is here Séance du 1 janvier 1995​
 
January 2, 1995

Miscellaneous

- Patience will pave path.
- If you take one piano lesson and fail to produce Chopin, does that mean you should give up the piano?

Each person has their own way of responding and expressing

- Well, we are not talking about passivity here. Are you sure you are a Cassiopaean? It sounds to me like you are saying he ought to be giving off... I think we are pulling in Lizzies because of your negativity... Incorrect, you have your "way" of repelling attack, and Frank has his. Well I just don't see how a whole bunch of negative energy in thought and word can repel beings who thrive on negative energy. I mean, they should be just rolling in joy that they are making him so miserable that he has to carry on that way which then makes me miserable. Not miserable when repelling. Well, then, the problem here is that when he does this, everybody else he does it around, it makes them miserable, so, what's the deal here? Subjective, your methods can cause perception of upset too. So, I should continue, when I get upset or attacked, to just rave and rant and yell and scream and carry on? You don't, you attack back, externally. Frank attacks back internally. The external manifestation is merely overflow and harmless if recognized correctly.

- My understanding is that service to others involves complete lack of concern for self. Therefore, the objective is to have complete lack of concern for self, therefore one would be in such a state of lack of concern for self that when one feels oneself to be under attack, so to speak, or being baited or jabbed, one would simply utterly and entirely disregard this and continue on in a peaceful way. Now, am I misapprehending this in some way? Not misapprehending, misinterpreting. So, I misinterpret Frank's lack of regard for my feelings because he spouts off and upsets me... that's really a service to others activity and it is only my subjectivity that makes me get upset, therefore, I should eliminate my subjectivity as a service to him so that he can continue to spew off and therefore not upset me, is that what we are getting at here? Off base. Well, that is what you are saying. That's what you want to believe we are saying, but we are not; we are saying all should strive to be objective.

- Well, I don't think it is being objective for every little sling and arrow of misfortune to throw somebody into a tailspin. I think part of the whole process is to learn how to go smoothly through all this stuff. And, what you are saying here is don't worry about going through stuff, just dump... You are all learning, including Frank. Well, let's just drop it. It doesn't make any sense. Your perception, there is much to this whole process that is manifest on other levels, levels other than 3rd... Well, I just don't think you really understand what is going on. I think that it's... Yes we do. You do not. Open your mind.

- Well the only thing I can change about this whole thing is to just stop listening when Frank moans and groans about things that I know everybody else has gone through without moaning and groaning, cause it is entirely, extremely irritating to me to have to listen to it when everybody else has been through it and kept a stiff upper lip. If Frank tried to keep a "stiff upper lip" it would destroy him because of his make-up, which does not correspond to that of most others; try to recognize differences.

Doing what is effortless

- Well, I thought that was what I was supposed to be practicing and, in fact, have been. I thought that this whole thing was about doing and practicing things to make us different than we had been programmed to be. When it is wholly within your "comfort zone" not before; remember, in "Bringers of the Dawn" it says to do that which is effortless. Okay, it says to do what is effortless. It takes a lot of effort to put up with Frank when he is like that so he will have to swear and vow that he will never complain to me again. Agreed. It takes too much effort for me to deal with it. Would cause karmic backsliding. Now, just a minute here. You just said to do what is effortless. I said it takes a lot of effort for me to put up with that kind of stuff, and now you are saying that this will cause me karmic backsliding? No, we said "do" that which is effortless, "acceptance" is another matter entirely.

French version is here Séance du 2 janvier 1995​
 
January 5, 1995

Miscellaneous

- Probably, but up to you to discover so as to learn. Remember, its all just lessons.
- Up to you to learn communication with challenging subjects.
- What was Jesus actual name? Jesinavarah.

Walk-ins

- Now, getting back to the idea of walk-ins, this is an idea that Ruth Montgomery promulgated, does this ever happen? Rarely. What about the case of the individual known as Lobsang Rampa? Was Lobsang Rampa a walk-in? No. What was the source of the material Lobsang wrote about in his books? An active imagination. Is there a possibility that he channeled some of that information? Yes.

Weather & Densities

- We have been having a lot of very unusual cloud shapes and formations. What is the source of this... Upper level wind convergence. In other words, can these upper level winds and strange cloud patterns be 4th, 5th or 6th density interactions? Maybe. Could these cloud patterns be a result of strange electromagnetic patterns on the earth such as those that presage earthquakes and volcanic eruptions? Can.

French version is here Séance du 5 janvier 1995​
 

January 7, 1995​

Miscellaneous

- What are you or who are you? Being of light.
- Light is knowledge, which is protection.
- We do not endorse recommendations of friendships and associations; this falls under free will.
- True love is not strictly hormonal.
- Are there military bases in the Appalachians? Yes. Hidden.
- Is it true that you envy our physicality? No. Not in the slightest!
- The guy who wrote The Ultimate Frontier, was he channeling this information or did the events he described actually take place? Yes and yes.

First effects of 4th density

- Returning to this morning's events, when JW told me about his experience, he said that when he opened his eyes, the light appeared yellow... Was it related to the event? Yes. What caused the light to change color? Residual effects of 4th density. Is this something that will repeat more and more often as we progress toward 4th density? Yes. This electromagnetic charge of the atmosphere — I assume that's what it's about and that it's part of the transition process between densities... Yes. Is this electromagnetic charge of the atmosphere due to the arrival of this Wave? And the effects we're starting to feel stronger and stronger, are they due to the presence of this Wave or to its approach? It's an accumulation similar to the effects that precede the arrival of a wave on the sea. Are the very violent winds in North Carolina and California and the earthquakes in Japan related to this process? Yes.

UFOs and proximity of the Wave

- The Michigan UFO, could you identify it for us and tell us who it belonged to? It was the Grays. Well, are the Grays going to let themselves be observed more and more often in 3rd density over the next few years? Yes. Is there a reason for this visibility? All these events are linked to the process that is now familiar to you. Is it part of their maneuver to land on the planet, interact with human beings, let's say, via the media... No, because everything is linked to the upcoming arrival of the Wave. As for the details, you will see in time.

The proper way to meditate

- Last night, I suddenly had the impulse to read the Tarot. Is the reading I did for myself last night valid and factually true? If you wish it to be. You do not need cards to "tap into our energy." Your intense feeling was to meditate to obtain information. You misinterpreted this as a need for Tarot. Cards can confuse, meditation never does. What is the proper way to meditate? The way that does not "ask for effort" from you.

Souls are not born

- I would like to know... in the metaphysical milieu, it is commonly said that when a soul is born on the planet, this soul, this little baby, possesses infinite knowledge and as we grow and learn, we are conditioned to lose our knowledge — is this true? No. It is absurd. Souls are not "born" on this planet. Souls were never born! And will never die! Are new souls sometimes created? Just answered if you use your head.

The real concept of "time" and 4th density

- D_ does not know the real concept of "time". Well, it's a very difficult concept for me. For everyone. We can talk about it and play with it... but time doesn't really exist. It's an illusion, a lie... It's part of the 3rd density world that we created... OK, let me give you an example: move away from the planet, so far away that the Sun is no more than a grain of dust. Now, you are floating in space... there are no directions, everything is just outside of you... there is no up or down, no sides... nothing... Everywhere you look, you see stars but there is no point of orientation... Now, no longer being on the planet, the Sun does not rise, it does not set... you have neither watch nor clock... how do you know what was before and what is after... Have you ever heard of people who go down into caves to do research experiments and they come out thinking that only 45 days have passed when in fact it's 65 or 100... because time slows down and practically stops. Time is a human concept. Let's ask this question: in a state without any artificial consideration like the delimitation of day and night, in this kind of state, what would be the natural cycle of the human body, in terms of sleep or food, and what refers to our concept of time. In other words, how long would we naturally stay awake and how long would we naturally sleep, in general, if we were not constrained by artificial temporal references? Your entire existence would be radically different and would not experience the same cycles at all. Could you tell us what it would be like? It depends on the environment. So, we interact so much with our environment that we can practically not be distinguished from it, is that what you're saying? Close.

- Now, if a line is defined by the movement of a point in a single direction, a plane is defined by a line becoming perpendicular to itself, the 3rd dimension is defined by a plane becoming perpendicular to itself and the 4th dimension is defined by a three-dimensional object becoming perpendicular to itself, then we simply cannot grasp what we are talking about in 4th density. If one looks at an apple in three dimensions, one sees only a slice, so to speak, of a four-dimensional object. If one could see the apple in its true four-dimensional state, one would probably see something more like a long red cylinder that goes on to infinity. Is that the case? Close.

- And then there are the 5th, 6th, and 7th levels of density. All this to demonstrate that time does not exist and is not relevant. One could define it in countless ways. Yes. Look at the Mayans... they counted in base 20. As soon as you remove all references to time, it slows down and finally stops. Yes, look at what happens to those in a sensory isolation tank. Exactly. Infinity implodes, so to speak. If you were in space, you could sleep for thousands of years, or stay "awake" for millions of "years". This refers to Frank's explanation about floating in space and how time could be perceived without points of reference. It doesn't really matter because you would no longer be under the illusion that "Time" could even exist.

Sitchin and the planet Nibiru

- Sitchin has an interesting idea about his hypothetical planet Nibiru. He postulates that its solar year is 3,600 of our years and, therefore, when one year passes on this planet, 3,600 years have passed on Earth. And so, in theory, a being who lived on this kind of planet with an orbit of 3,600 years would live for thousands of years. Does this concept hold water insofar as it exists? It is an intersection of confused conceptualizations. Does the confusion come from the way I presented it or from the way Sitchin theorized it? It's the whole bunch.

Number pi in base 10 and Lizard mathematics

- We must remember that time refers only to Earth and it appears this way only because of mathematics that rely on a base 10. If you go to the Moon, time does not appear the same way as here if you were to measure it. We use Earth time on the Moon. If we went to Mars, Mars time would be different. It relies entirely on rotation and orbit, which is only one way of doing things. For example — it doesn't really relate to time — but take the idea of "pi," 3.1416. In the SETI program, they send "pi" in a radio program saying: "Intelligent life will understand 'pi' because 'pi' is a fundamental concept in the mathematics of the circle." We must discover "pi" to be able to calculate the circumference and diameter, etc., in circles and arcs. So, I wonder about the usefulness of sending "pi" in base 10 if, say, the Grays only have 8 fingers? What is "pi" in base 8? 3.1416 means absolutely nothing to someone working with another base. The Grays are cybergenetic beings, therefore, they use the mathematics they are programmed to use. Okay, the Grays are programmed to use mathematics. I assume they are programmed to use the mathematics of the Lizards, their creators, right? Variable. Well, the question I'm getting at is: what base do the Lizards use? The Lizards have a form of mathematics of which you would not even understand the rudiments.

The perception of life on other planets

- I'm going to change the subject a bit but as we're talking about floating in space... It seems to me that at one point, we talked about the matrices of various planets and how we perceive the planets of our solar system, these matrices being almost gates to another density, and that if we were in the appropriate dimensional mode, we would see the other planets of our solar system quite differently from the way we see them with our 3rd density mode and that, in fact, if we contemplated Venus, which looks a bit like hell in 3rd density with its temperature close to 465 °C, we would see something totally different with beings living there — is that right? Yes. Beings live absolutely everywhere in one world or another. Do the beings who live on the planet Venus know of our existence on planet Earth? Yes. Are there also beings living on Mars? Yes. Are they aware of us? Yes. Are the beings of all the other planets in our solar system aware of us here on planet Earth? Yes, because they are all of higher density.

Proper perception of 1st to 4th density and between densities

- How is it that Earth seems to be the planet of lower density and we seem to be somehow excluded or on the sidelines? They are aware of us but we cannot perceive them. Why is that? Why are we isolated from this point of view? Was Earth created after all the others? No, no, no. Do they interact with us? OK, stop, whoa! A review session follows: Who is of 1st density? Rocks and minerals, right? And? Plants? Yes. Now, what awareness do they have of you, in your opinion? What awareness do rocks and plants have of us?! My God! That's an interesting way to put it. If we ask why higher beings are aware of us while we are not aware of them, we must ask ourselves what awareness the beings who are inferior to us have of us. Obviously, no more than we have of the 4th density. But if you play music to a plant, it has a certain awareness of it because it grows better. But music is not a being. It's an energy wave. Wait a minute... they say they have no more awareness of us than we, as 3rd density beings, have of 4th density beings. Does that mean they interact with us like we interact with plants? Who is "at" the 2nd level? Animals. Insects, lower life forms. Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more importantly, what understanding, do they have of you?

- Well, I suppose they are in a way aware of us but they don't understand us... They understand us to a certain extent... But their understanding is totally different from our way of understanding them. In other words, they see these big hulks but they don't know what's going on. Was Ouspensky's explanation of how animals perceive humans very close to the truth? Close. Now, what about the understanding of the 1st level and the perception of the 2nd level?

- OK, 1st density, minerals and plants... rocks and minerals combine with plants through growth, dissolution in water, erosion, etc., they have a truly limited existence. And what happens is that most animals come and eat them. Bees pollinate flowers. Different kinds of animals live in trees. Some animals live in the ground and caves. So, rocks, minerals, and plants have a truly limited understanding of the animals above them who interact with them in various ways. Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities above you. Well, that still doesn't answer my question, my question was... Laura, loosen up, do rocks and plants "see" you? Probably not. We don't really know. We see the 3rd density manifestations of 1st density objects. We don't see the 1st density perception itself. So, how do we see the manifestations of 4th density; they see us at the 4th density level... but not necessarily as we perceive ourselves. Tom, you are making rapid progress. Laura had better watch her back!

- I'm curious... how do rocks see each other? Yes, what do rocks see when they look at each other? They feel each other. What example of our sensory apparatus would be close to what a rock feels when it is aware of another? It is an intersection of conceptualizations that will not work. So, we have no way to decrypt what a rock feels. Well, another example of 1st density is plants. We know that plants can react positively to some people and negatively to others. They have done experiments by connecting them to polygraphs and measured these responses. They also react to music... 3rd density reactions... Yes.

- If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say, affection for each other? Something related. Do plants hurt when we eat them? Does it hurt you when a "Lizzie" eats you? Yes, you see, in 4th density... we are in 3rd density and we eat 1st and 2nd densities, 4th density eats us. If we make plants suffer by eating them, just as the Lizzies make us suffer when they eat us, how are we supposed to survive without eating? When the desire for physicality disappears, the need to "eat" does too. So, part of the "fall" into physicality — the passage in the Bible where we find the famous "you shall eat by the sweat of your brow," during the Fall of Eden — concerns the state of physicality and the need to eat? Lucifer, the "Fallen Angel." It is you. So "falling" means entering into a physical existence requiring feeding on other lives, other beings, is that right? Yes.

- When plants feed on 1st density beings like rocks, water, etc., do the latter feel pain? It is redundant. We have already covered that. So, when a plant absorbs nutrients... Well, a plant is of the same density as minerals, so it's almost like... Like two distinct entities becoming one? Minerals dissolve in water and are then absorbed by the plant, what pain could there be in that? Subjective, L_. Maybe the dissolution of phosphate in water, for example, is equivalent to "dying" for it. Close. You limit yourselves when you perceive only at the 3rd level and think that your perception is all that exists.

Proper perception of 4th to 6th density and between densities

- So, in other words, we should be able to perceive at the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd levels while working on the understanding of the 4th? No. Work on the 4th, 5th, and 6th. Is it not also beneficial to understand the levels of 1st and 2nd densities, by simple exercise of understanding what is inferior to us? Always strive to elevate yourself. As evolving souls, have we not already completed our work of the 1st and 2nd levels? Yes. So, there is no reason to go back. Who eats the Lizzies at the 4th level? Nobody. 4th density is the last where STS manifests fully. So, beings of the 5th and 6th levels live on pure energy? Yes.

- The 4th level is the last of full STS. Does this imply that the 5th level, which you described as the level of "contemplation"... what is the way of life of an STS being at the 5th level? Souls from levels 1, 2, 3, and 4 go into the 5th. So, the 5th level is where they go while waiting to return to the 4th for their next incarnation? Exactly. That's why it's called the level of contemplation. You go there and reflect on what you have done. And what about souls in 6th density? Are there STS beings of 6th density? No, when you go into the 6th, you no longer need to recycle. Yes, but is there an STS experience in 6th density, like the Orions of 6th density? They are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not entities as such, just thought-forms.

- Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as an "assembly" of angels, as in the Book of Job where "Lucifer" presents himself before the Lord... Yes. So, in 6th density, there are STS and STO to maintain balance? And they are just there, they exist? Reflection for balance. Is there some kind of hierarchy in all this? Do these beings present themselves before a kind of "Grand Council" to submit their plans, discuss, make decisions and apply them? No. How does it happen, then? Do things just happen "like that," as a consequence of a natural interaction between things and energies? Yes. If we are in 3rd density, you work with us and we strive to reach 4th density, are you, in 6th density, simultaneously striving to reach 7th? Yes.

The 7th density

- Does helping us help you reach 7th density? Are there others in higher densities who work with you, as you work with us? No, we all reach the 7th level together. So, in other words, you guys are trying to raise us and everyone climbs the ladder, and when all the pieces are gathered, then we all go to the 7th level, right? Yes. So, that's the goal you're aiming for by helping us? It's a natural process. When we are in 6th density, will our function be to help others in 3rd, as you do? Yes. We are you in the future. When more than 50 percent of souls reach 6th density, before going into 7th density, do all the others automatically reach this density? Inaccurate concept. You are using mathematical calculations and ideas inspired by the 3rd density "Brotherhood." So, no percentage comes into play there. Each soul must get there. I don't think it's so much that as the fact that you can't apply 3rd density mathematics to this level. Let's say a majority. No. You are still using 3rd density mathematics.

- OK, on what criteria is this final transfer to 7th density based? Lessons completed. When all souls pass into 7th density, will they merge into a single soul? Close. So, that's why everyone is needed, because we all become One in 7th density. What will we do to change the game and make it interesting again? Have nothing to "do," was, will be, is!!!

Soul and sexuality

- But I really think a soul tends to prefer one sex over the other. No. I think it eventually balances out. Everything is just a lesson. Does a human being's sexual orientation, like homosexuality, have anything to do with changing sex between one life and another? Sometimes. Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is most likely to make one progress faster toward 4th density? Total celibacy. Because then you "let go" of physical cravings. {That is, celibacy where the abandonment of desires does not require effort. The effort of celibacy is probably negative because it aims to "get" something, for example, reaching 4th density.}

Orgasm and illusion

- I read that when you are at higher spiritual levels, you can achieve a spiritual fusion even better than orgasm. Is that true? Why need an orgasm, of any kind? Well, it seems to be the ultimate experience of physicality.That's precisely it... it's physicality... If that's the case, doesn't everything that exists in the 3rd density physical world reflect the experiences or states of the higher worlds? The 3rd density as you experience it is an illusion you have been fed to perpetuate your imprisonment. So, in other words, there is no cosmic orgasm preserving the existence of the worlds as illustrated by the eternal copulation of Vishnu and Shiva? That's nonsense! Well, that's what is taught in Eastern religions and they even have idols carved in that posture... It's a rationalization to perpetuate the illusion.

- In other words, the orgasmic experience is quite literally a lure to keep us... Under control... And at the 3rd level... Is that true? Yes. Let's go back to a question I asked in another session on this same subject: what happens to our energy at the moment of orgasm? Where does this energy go? Vented to the 4th level STS. Is it a manifestation of the Lizards feeding on us? The 4th level STS recover it. So, orgasm is a 3rd density manifestation of 4th density consumption of 3rd density energy? One of their methods. In Messengers of the Dawn, it talks about sex and says it's an expression of love and so on, and that you shouldn't have sex with someone who doesn't really love you. Love is all that is necessary. If two individuals wish to express true love physically at higher levels, is it possible to channel energy positively without feeding the 4th level STS types? Nah. In other words, whatever you do, think, or otherwise, that's where it goes? Sex is an irresistible physical desire.

- So, at the time of the great transition, I suppose those who have, or who have had sexual relations shortly before, will not pass to the higher level because of that? No. The transition is the "Millennium." A thousand years is the 3rd level interpretation. So, for a thousand years, we will live in 4th density as physical beings, so to speak, and make this transition during this period... and when it's finished, we'll be done with our physical appetites? Close. Some will be there from the beginning, others will need more "time". So, when we are in 4th density, we are still in the physical and we still consume. Will we then consume 3rd density energy, orgasmic energy or related? To some extent. Even if we are STO? Not if totally STO. Then how do we get energy... from each other. It's because STO multiplies and grows... STS only fragments, separates and diminishes more and more... One can access or receive energy from others while giving our own? Yes.

French version is here Séance du 7 janvier 1995​
 
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