Dangerous Knowledge

[daco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7cB_TWTetk
I want to share with you this documentary about 4 brilliant mathematicians - Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel and Alan Turing.
Interseting is,that all four committ suicide,but why?
What they discover to committ suicide?
Manipulation from 4D and like Gurdjieff said once "When we know how many people are really dead and how many dead people manage our lives, we would be crazy from the horror. "
Maybe this mathematicians committ suicide becouse of that.
Some opinions on this documentary,who knows a little bit more about them just write something,I,m curious about how genius can committ suicide (I now that is most possible is manipulation,predator mind but maybe they see what we can,t see and it is better to not see some things like Gurdjieff said).

 

[kujo]

Daco,
Just watched this flick last night, without any knowledge of your post. JonnyRadar stumbled upon it a few days ago and suggested it may be of interest. Funny how that works.

When listening to the stories of each of these men, it reminded me of something I read, just recently, about Plato's Cave.

In the allegory of the cave, people are chained in place inside a dark cave, so that they cannot turn their heads and are forced to watch shadows projected on the cave wall. These shadows are cast by shapes which parade in front of a fire at the other end of the cave. This is a sort of archaic movie theater. The people imprisoned in the cave mistake the shadows for reality and invent fanciful theories for explaining the various types of shadows, discuss them, place bets on their appearances and movements and so forth.

If one of these captives were released, he could see the fire and the shapes parading before it. But further still, he could escape entirely from the cave and see the outer world. First, the outer world would have to be seen at night, the eyes not being adapted to the brightness of the day. Progressively, the released captive could see the outside world in full daylight and even make out the contours of the Sun itself. If now this adventurer were to return to the cave, the other captives would believe no part of his story. And if by malchance he would have become less interested in or less adept at speculating about the shadows on the wall, the other captives would take this to be the proof of actual madness. Such is the fate of seers.

As I viewed the documentary, these "mad" men could be compared to that of the released captive, he who broke outside of the limited and set environment, and those that still remained in the cave, could be in turn their "sheltered" colleagues.

It's often in "everyday life" that I engage in conversations with individuals who at times I believe are "pretty hip" people, those who appear to have knowledge greater than your average bear, those that seem to have a critical mind, only later to be baffled by their irrational comments or groundless beliefs on something that to me, is plainly evident. So baffling at times its maddening. Am-I-the-only-one-that-sees-this kind of thought.

If this is just a microcosm of a greater dynamic, it's imaginable that these great minds like Cantor, Blotzmann, Godel, and Turing, would "lose it" if their academic peers showed such opposition towards their thoughts and discoveries. Especially those discoveries that shape how we view the world we live in. As Aldous Huxley said, ""Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad."

Re-reading what I wrote above reminds me of how important a network is, refering to the "work" or on the path to new discoveries in general. From what I remember from "Dangerous Knowledge," many, if not all, of these mathematicians spent much of their time in solidarity.

At the moment I cannot quote any psychologist, author, or idea as to the possible reason's behind their suicides, but I can say, from my limited experience thus far, that... without companions as sounding boards or mirrors, friends that are open to possibilities and Working to be un-corralled by beliefs... my journey towards discoveries may have been a bit darker and less filled with hope.

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi daco,
I am not sure I understand you here. Gurdjieff, as quoted by Ouspensky in ISOTM,

A considerable percentage of the people we meet on the street are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead. It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror.

As for dead scientist, agents of disinformation have many means. If the work the scientist are doing has any benefits to mankind in general or to the MIC, the PTB may try to co-opt or corrupt your work. If that fails, they may resort to trying to destroy the scientist professionally and personally with libellous accusations of "cult" and "criminal activity" or they can be simply suicided.

 

[daco]

i daco,
I am not sure I understand you here. Huh? Gurdjieff, as quoted by Ouspensky in ISOTM,

I wil try to explain

It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror.

Well in documentary this scientist was going "insane",I think that some of them knew that half of people are dead like Gurdjieff said (this is my opinion on them).
And there ideas is so dangerous in today science,it is like "heretics in the religious sense" but in science not in religion.

agents of disinformation have many means.

Yes it is true but this guys changed science is some sense,they actually tell people that logic is limited and that we can not rely only on logic.

If the work the scientist are doing has any benefits to mankind in general or to the MIC, the PTB may try to co-opt or corrupt your work. If that fails, they may resort to trying to destroy the scientist professionally and personally with libellous accusations of "cult" and "criminal activity" or they can be simply suicided.

Absolutely true,but this people was committed suicide,and question is why they do such thing,why they are not killed,what they know to going completely insane and commit suicide?
Direct manipulation from 4D,they actually get the thoughts that are not their,and this thoughts tell them to committ suicide and they did (they was destroyed becouse they was real danger to world and people).

Daco,
Just watched this flick last night, without any knowledge of your post.

Well becouse of my lack of English in writings

 

[daco]

Can someone delete my post that I quoted,where is option to modify the post?

 

[Jacques]

Can someone delete my post that I quoted,where is option to modify the post?

I have deleted your double post.

Over the time, we have noticed that sometimes some members were editing and removing their posts.

And as it has been pointed out recently to a forum's member by a moderator:

What you wrote was a part of a discussion. Right or wrong, it was in context and that context made the entire discussion possible. To remove all of your input because you were no longer comfortable with the discussion is paying absolutely no attention to the needs of anyone other than yourself.

It is rude. It makes the discussion impossible to follow for those who come behind you and it indicates that you are incapable of graciously handling a challenge to the information you have provided. No one asked you for 'proof'. You were asked for data to back up your statements, as this is a research forum, not a chat room.

So, to prevent that and to allow all members the possibility to follow the thread with all the posts, the possibility to modify the post has been changed.

 

[daco]

Well I wanted to modify the post becouse of mistake in grammar
I wrote wrong this

I wil try to explain

It is just for edit the grammar and nothing else.

What you wrote was a part of a discussion. Right or wrong, it was in context and that context made the entire discussion possible. To remove all of your input because you were no longer comfortable with the discussion is paying absolutely no attention to the needs of anyone other than yourself.

It is rude. It makes the discussion impossible to follow for those who come behind you and it indicates that you are incapable of graciously handling a challenge to the information you have provided. No one asked you for 'proof'. You were asked for data to back up your statements, as this is a research forum, not a chat room.

I see that problem in different perspective.In some case there are people who dont know very well English language-grammar and for them is good to have modifiy options but not to delete post just to edit becouse of small mistakes in grammar.

 

[Alada]

As for dead scientist, agents of disinformation have many means. If the work the scientist are doing has any benefits to mankind in general or to the MIC, the PTB may try to co-opt or corrupt your work. If that fails, they may resort to trying to destroy the scientist professionally and personally with libellous accusations of "cult" and "criminal activity" or they can be simply suicided.

There's also the possibility that those who have the greatest potential to benefit humanity have been abducted by 4D STS to install "self-destruct" programs. Seems the key to countering that kind of programming is knowledge input on a continual basis and networking. If those guys were mostly working in isolation, you might see how such programs could be activated and there be no way to know that those thoughts are not ones own.

 

[kujo]

Daco,

What I meant by this:

Just watched this flick last night, without any knowledge of your post.

Was that I happened to catch that documentary as well. Without ever seeing your post previously. Follow? A synchronicity of sorts. Not because of the lack of English grammar in your post. :) No worries.

 

[LoveAndLight]

I remember in the C transmissions, when Laura asked for certain questions the Cs did not answer them because they told her that this knowledge what put her in danger(I think one of them was when she asked who killed JFK). It makes sense if a person gets to close to the truth, then the STS forces will try to stop the individual from going any further. Or they could have just committed suicided for their own reasons.