David Bowie Dead at 69
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luc said:
grow up with this song, was almost like my personal anthem in all hard times in mid 80th, when I felt the world is falling apart in heather, judgmental and greedy masses ... specially when I was teenager ... now reading it in this context, just makes me cry, cry cry ... but at the same time thanks to all of you in this incredible community that gives us a view beyond the fence, emotions are not any more depressing on a destructive level ... this transformation is really incredible ... it is so powerful indeed makes you at the same time sad and proud and soft and strong ... pure Grace
Solie123
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solarmind said:luc said:
grow up with this song, was almost like my personal anthem in all hard times in mid 80th, when I felt the world is falling apart in heather, judgmental and greedy masses ... specially when I was teenager ... now reading it in this context, just makes me cry, cry cry ... but at the same time thanks to all of you in this incredible community that gives us a view beyond the fence, emotions are not any more depressing on a destructive level ... this transformation is really incredible ... it is so powerful indeed makes you at the same time sad and proud and soft and strong ... pure Grace
One of my favorite songs... Not so much because of the catchiness, but the lyrics that really hit home. ._.
Bastian
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Indeed, quite strange/disturbing !IronFloyd said:
Typically the kind of music videos analyzed by the vigilantcitizen.com website. This thread about this website :
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16872.msg147045.html
(An article of this website about the movie Labyrinth starring Bowie :
_http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/labyrinth-starring-david-bowie-a-blueprint-to-mind-control/ )
Ormen, like in Ormen Lange (Long snake...) ?
Is that about mind control, his native spirit being replaced by another one, to become a (black) star ?
And what about this other one from the same (last) album ?
Why the hell did he choose "bluebird" ?David Bowie said:
Isn't that a direct reference to Project Bluebird (renamed Project Artichoke), part of the (in)famous Project MKUltra ?
(Since I've discovered Stanley Kubrick's last movie, Eyes Wide Shut, I pay attention to the last opus of significant artists.)
angelburst29
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5 facts about David Bowie’s Russian life (photo's - video's)
http://rbth.com/arts/2016/01/11/david-bowie_558255
On Jan. 10, 2016 David Bowie died of cancer at the age of 69. Though his songs were forbidden in the USSR for many years, Russians found ways to hear his music. And they loved his music. RBTH commemorates some interesting facts that tie the British superstar to Russia.
1) According to producer Tony Visconti, Bowie's album The Next Day was partly inspired by Russia. In an interview with The Guardian Visconti said that Bowie “has been obsessed with medieval English history, which, believe it or not, makes great material for a rock song. And contemporary Russian history, which makes a great rock song”.
2) David Bowie visited Russia three times. During his first trip April-May 1973, he spent three days in Moscow visiting the May Day parade, GUM and The Kremlin Armory. His next trip was in April of 1976, when he was traveling with U.S. rock star Iggy Pop. On his final trip in 1996 he gave his first - and last - performance in Russia at the Kremlin Palace in Moscow.
3) Gossip about Bowie’s secret trip of 1973 across the USSR from Vladivostok to Moscow seemed too fantastic to be true – as the Far East naval city was closed to foreigners until 1992. However, Vladivostok journalist Ruslan Vakulik managed to confirm the legend, finding evidence from stories published by UPI reporter Robert Musel, who accompanied Bowie on the USSR trip and Bowie’s letters to Cherry Vanilla, his press manager. These documents prove that the musician traveled by train across Russia in the spring of 1973.
4) In 1996 Moscow fans greeted David Bowie when he arrived at the airport with a traditional Russian welcoming ceremony - presenting the singer with bread and salt. Bowie met a different reaction when he performed. According to Russian TV show Programma A, the rock star was disappointed with the cool reaction of the Russian audience and pledged never play in Russia again.
5) Bowie’s music was banned during Soviet times because it was not considered suitable by communist authorities. His songs only became widely known in the 1980s when technological developments allowed for the widespread production of unofficial samizdat - bootleg - copies of his work to be passed among a growing number of Russian fans.
http://rbth.com/arts/2016/01/11/david-bowie_558255
On Jan. 10, 2016 David Bowie died of cancer at the age of 69. Though his songs were forbidden in the USSR for many years, Russians found ways to hear his music. And they loved his music. RBTH commemorates some interesting facts that tie the British superstar to Russia.
1) According to producer Tony Visconti, Bowie's album The Next Day was partly inspired by Russia. In an interview with The Guardian Visconti said that Bowie “has been obsessed with medieval English history, which, believe it or not, makes great material for a rock song. And contemporary Russian history, which makes a great rock song”.
2) David Bowie visited Russia three times. During his first trip April-May 1973, he spent three days in Moscow visiting the May Day parade, GUM and The Kremlin Armory. His next trip was in April of 1976, when he was traveling with U.S. rock star Iggy Pop. On his final trip in 1996 he gave his first - and last - performance in Russia at the Kremlin Palace in Moscow.
3) Gossip about Bowie’s secret trip of 1973 across the USSR from Vladivostok to Moscow seemed too fantastic to be true – as the Far East naval city was closed to foreigners until 1992. However, Vladivostok journalist Ruslan Vakulik managed to confirm the legend, finding evidence from stories published by UPI reporter Robert Musel, who accompanied Bowie on the USSR trip and Bowie’s letters to Cherry Vanilla, his press manager. These documents prove that the musician traveled by train across Russia in the spring of 1973.
4) In 1996 Moscow fans greeted David Bowie when he arrived at the airport with a traditional Russian welcoming ceremony - presenting the singer with bread and salt. Bowie met a different reaction when he performed. According to Russian TV show Programma A, the rock star was disappointed with the cool reaction of the Russian audience and pledged never play in Russia again.
5) Bowie’s music was banned during Soviet times because it was not considered suitable by communist authorities. His songs only became widely known in the 1980s when technological developments allowed for the widespread production of unofficial samizdat - bootleg - copies of his work to be passed among a growing number of Russian fans.
BHelmet
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Bastian said:
Dark as Hell - those 2 videos. While it is one thing to extract the lyrics and analyze them in a vacuum, when seen and listened to with the accompanying imagery and camera work, it is dark indeed.
Bowie led the cultural charge to gender confusion - he played that part well. And he was the ultimate performer to the end as those videos demonstrate. But, with what end in mind? Yes, I agree, the vigilante citizen will be all over this.
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Thinking about Black Star and specially the video that is depicting strong symbolic things, from the "diamonded" head of the astronaut who falls at the middle east territory ( big portal for other density beings presence on earth) which is "threaten" by the tower city that looks like a mix of Lord of the Rings tower and typical modern megalopolis like NYC or Hong Kong, with people shaking like sort of poisoned rats or like in a black death fiver or nerve system poison ... some how reminded me on a theory presented in a Pierre Lescaudron book "Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection"
I think there is just so many possible "channeling" of the cosmic knowledge, where art is the most metaphorical one, where the symbols are translated to the new symbols that needs further translation ... but that translation at certain point became useless, as actually the power of metaphor is to build the "meaning" and understanding in human concuesnes on a more "organic", non verbal level ..
So if we see artists like the "translators" of the "future" events to our reflected present reality, that is actually just a cosmic past tens .... this song just opening the "questioning" - are we living in a time of almost eye witnessing of the close approach of our Sun's 'twin' and an accompanying cometary swarm?!?! ... it seams to be like - some things we "know", but we can't express by words directly towards masses, as that will be just to overwhelming for humanity in general to realize all at once how we are on the edge of speeding cosmic mega crash, on the beginning of a mega death that will create new life ... so that is where Art is taking place .. Art is a toll to develop "language" of non linear understanding of the world around us, so that we can get prepared for things we can't yet comprehend by our rational mind ... and artists like Bowie seams to be like a channel to that transmutation of the deeper understanding of our cosmic reality ...
He newer was a enthusiastic "love and peace" new age character ... everything he took to go through him to this world, was always before, or on the edge of expanding new trends ... he was one of those Tesla like characters ...
I think there is just so many possible "channeling" of the cosmic knowledge, where art is the most metaphorical one, where the symbols are translated to the new symbols that needs further translation ... but that translation at certain point became useless, as actually the power of metaphor is to build the "meaning" and understanding in human concuesnes on a more "organic", non verbal level ..
So if we see artists like the "translators" of the "future" events to our reflected present reality, that is actually just a cosmic past tens .... this song just opening the "questioning" - are we living in a time of almost eye witnessing of the close approach of our Sun's 'twin' and an accompanying cometary swarm?!?! ... it seams to be like - some things we "know", but we can't express by words directly towards masses, as that will be just to overwhelming for humanity in general to realize all at once how we are on the edge of speeding cosmic mega crash, on the beginning of a mega death that will create new life ... so that is where Art is taking place .. Art is a toll to develop "language" of non linear understanding of the world around us, so that we can get prepared for things we can't yet comprehend by our rational mind ... and artists like Bowie seams to be like a channel to that transmutation of the deeper understanding of our cosmic reality ...
He newer was a enthusiastic "love and peace" new age character ... everything he took to go through him to this world, was always before, or on the edge of expanding new trends ... he was one of those Tesla like characters ...
Can Won
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I was reading up on David Bowie earlier, just to get an understanding of who this man was and someone in one of the comment sections pointed out that Black Star is actually a reference to an Elvis Presley song..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI
how true that is, I couldn't say. :/ but certainly listening to the lyrics, there's an interesting link between them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI
how true that is, I couldn't say. :/ but certainly listening to the lyrics, there's an interesting link between them.
Chad
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For anyone who hasn't seen this interview - and i haven't seen it here - Bowie tells 'legendary' interviewer Jeremy Paxman how the internet will change things dramatically and give voice to those who can't get a spot in the mainstream media due to it essentially being monopolised and commercialised, as was being a rock star apparently. He says during the interview that at that very moment, were he just starting out, he would be a fan rather than a rockstar. etc. Added: the video is from 1999.
I never really cared for his music but reading his lyrics, they are quite interesting. And this interview i think reveals that he was quite ahead of his time in some ways, and seemed to support the average man's fight for liberation. But then i only watched it once. And i don't know how much else he did to support this other than make music... either way, i found it interesting. The full length interview can be found online (15 mins) but this is 6 mins taken from it.
I never really cared for his music but reading his lyrics, they are quite interesting. And this interview i think reveals that he was quite ahead of his time in some ways, and seemed to support the average man's fight for liberation. But then i only watched it once. And i don't know how much else he did to support this other than make music... either way, i found it interesting. The full length interview can be found online (15 mins) but this is 6 mins taken from it.
PhoenixToEmber
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Came across this link last night and thought I should share it here: http://www.theestablishment.co/2016/01/11/david-bowie-rape-accusations-sexual-assault/
I was somewhat familiar with Bowie, but never delved into his work enough to call myself a fan. In light of this article, though, is he really someone worth idolizing? Thoughts?
I was somewhat familiar with Bowie, but never delved into his work enough to call myself a fan. In light of this article, though, is he really someone worth idolizing? Thoughts?
PhoenixToEmber
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I also read the links. I think to dismiss it simply because the majority of the girls "consented" is kind of missing the point, though - these were girls he and his rock star buddies knew were 13-15 years old, and whether or not they consented doesn't change the fact that they were preyed upon with this knowledge in mind. Just because they were groupies who "wanted it" doesn't mean their immaturity as young girls wasn't taken advantage of and played upon by people who clearly used their fame to have sex with whoever they wanted, even while married. I know people hate seeing the dark side of their heroes, but I think these allegations are important to keep in mind before putting someone like Bowie on a pedestal.
PhoenixToEmber
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This is also worth reading: http://rebeccahains.com/2016/01/11/reconciling-david-bowies-genius-with-rape/
The Blackstar video, fwiw, makes me think of his apparent fascination with religious rituals. According to his wiki page, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie#Religion_and_spirituality
[quote author=Esquire interview]"What I've Learned", he stated, "I'm in awe of the universe, but I don't necessarily believe there's an intelligence or agent behind it. I do have a passion for the visual in religious rituals, though, even though they may be completely empty and bereft of substance. The incense is powerful and provocative, whether Buddhist or Catholic."[/quote]
So he likes religious rituals but not religious ideas, I guess? *shrug*
He was also interested in alter egos, so I guess that is what the lyrics are about. His previous uses of cocaine may have some lingering effects.
He was a musician, highly into sex and drugs, like everyone from John Lennon (maybe Lennon is weirder) to members of Fleetwood Mac. That's a shame, but I guess not too surprising.
Anyway, this song is fun, I doubt if it means anything though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCBYUKMvMQ
[quote author=Esquire interview]"What I've Learned", he stated, "I'm in awe of the universe, but I don't necessarily believe there's an intelligence or agent behind it. I do have a passion for the visual in religious rituals, though, even though they may be completely empty and bereft of substance. The incense is powerful and provocative, whether Buddhist or Catholic."[/quote]
So he likes religious rituals but not religious ideas, I guess? *shrug*
He was also interested in alter egos, so I guess that is what the lyrics are about. His previous uses of cocaine may have some lingering effects.
He was a musician, highly into sex and drugs, like everyone from John Lennon (maybe Lennon is weirder) to members of Fleetwood Mac. That's a shame, but I guess not too surprising.
Anyway, this song is fun, I doubt if it means anything though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCBYUKMvMQ
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