David Bowie, Prince, Cohen and now George Michael

[Turgon]

George Michael greatest hit was ''Last Christmas.'' Which makes it kind of symbolic because he died during this Christmas period.

Good catch - that made me suspicious about that "coincidence"... Now i wonder if he did commit suicide (purposely overdosing himself) cause all his fame and beauty withered away? Some "superstars" have followed similar choices...

Neil Young once said, "it's better to burn out, then to fade away..." and maybe that relates in some way. There's nothing of real substance in the lifestyle, crowd, industry and people who are attracted to that so once the cameras turn their attention to someone else, the celebrities become shell's, having thrived off the empty calories of adoration and negative attention for so long. I did enjoy some of GM's music, and the continued narrative has been that he died peacefully in his sleep, which if true is a good way to go. But who knows what may have been going on with him the days and weeks leading up to it. Someone on Facebook also posted that maybe this was more of a coincidence and that it's being used to cover-up the reports coming out about mass graves by the "rebels" in Syria.

 

[Corvus]

These kind of people would in most cases do anything to get their place under the spotlight, because it is only about me, me, me. They feed on other people s energy, and when that is cut there is only emptiness, scandals and suicides because that is the only way of them getting it, through attention, and they are not picked because of their qualities if they have any beside their voice, but because of their vices. To conciously brainwash millions of people for a fame must be a heavy burden, or not because there is nothing to carry it. I am more in line with what C s said about needing better heroes.

 

[bjorb]

These kind of people would in most cases do anything to get their place under the spotlight, because it is only about me, me, me. They feed on other people s energy, and when that is cut there is only emptiness, scandals and suicides because that is the only way of them getting it, through attention, and they are not picked because of their qualities if they have any beside their voice, but because of their vices. To conciously brainwash millions of people for a fame must be a heavy burden, or not because there is nothing to carry it. I am more in line with what C s said about needing better heroes.

Exactly, I couldn't have said it any better. These kind of people demand every attention, every spotlight aimed at them. And when they don't succeed, they disintegrate very fast.

Also take note how they all rally for the establishment these days. Now that the 'Liberal' status quo is in Jeopardy. They are all showing their true colors.

My impression was always that they didn't care about World affairs. But apparently to them everything was running perfectly fine with Obama. Only now with Trump, are they getting upset, angry and even violent. Their special-me snowflake reality is Melting.

- Psychopaths and their favorite sock puppets...

 

[Phill4]

For whatever reason the idea that at some level they are choosing not to be part of the events ahead comes to mind.
Like at the soul level maybe.

But i find it interesting that is like the illusion bubble is poping in subtle ways..

 

[John G]

Famous musicians like the rest of us have different personalities presenting different problems to work on.

http://www.keirsey.com/4temps/bob_dylan.asp

In 1963, Joan Baez had difficulty understanding Bob Dylan. She was enamored by Dylan's poetic lyrics, but was confused by his genius. His lyrics were so poetic and so meaningful to her. But Dylan didn't seem to care. He was an enigma to her and the rest of her generation. Being the troubadour for the post World War II baby boomers, he seemed to have tapped into the Zeitgeist of his generation. He inspired others by his profound and powerful lyrics like "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna' fall" or "The times they are a changin'". On the other hand, he personally didn't ascribe as much meaning to his lyrics as his admirers. He just liked writing songs, and then enjoyed performing his songs in front of an audience. Baez and the media tried to project their motives and their agendas onto Dylan. He wouldn't stand for it. They seem to try to put words in his mouth. He would not be pigeonholed or take on the mantle that others tried to assign to him. He saw a lot of naivety and hypocrisy around him. And he didn't see the point of trying to explain himself -- why should he?

What Baez and the rest of activists in the 50's and 60's didn't know, or understand at the time, was that they were attracted to the art of a free-wheelin' Composer Artisan. Typically, Artisans are not as interested as Idealists in the troubles or the causes of the world. Bob Dylan was not interested in political action; he was much more interested in writing and performing music to have an impact on people. He liked the art, but wasn't as interested in the "deep meaning" of it. He was a genius in reflecting the times by being very perceptive of his environment. He picked up what was in the "air" at the time, and put it to words and music, sometimes borrowing words or tunes and modifying them to his artistic need, at the moment.

Baez will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which surprised her since she doesn't consider herself a Rock singer though she recognized Folk music contributed to Rock music. For Baez, perhaps her personality type would have to worry about not observing enough and letting the zeal for a cause get them used for a not so good cause. For Dylan perhaps his personality type might observe too much and not do enough. Many natural front men and women in music would have a more performer oriented personality and yeah being out of the spotlight could be a problem.

I was once talking online to a performer who was past his 15 minutes of fame period about the 1 percent vs 99 percent Occupy movement and he mentioned being careful about demonizing the rich since it's tough to give up Lear jets once you get used to them, adding he knows from personal experience (followed by a smiley). He ended up committing suicide but for the reason that he had back surgery that didn't work and he did not want his wife caring for him (he had seen his mom go through that with his dad).

I think all those old famous musicians are different just like the rest of us. Would be interesting to see what John Lennon would have thought of Trump? Heck Trump is kind of more celebrity than politician and he kind of noticed a business problem with the government that his celebrity might be able to help with even if he really didn't want to get into that mean business. I think Trump has kind of a used car salesman kind of personality but that can come in handy for problem solving. We all kind of need to use our personality strengths the best we can and not let our weaknesses get the best of us. Not overly easy.

 

[mkrnhr]

Neil Young once said, "it's better to burn out, then to fade away..." and maybe that relates in some way. There's nothing of real substance in the lifestyle, crowd, industry and people who are attracted to that so once the cameras turn their attention to someone else, the celebrities become shell's, having thrived off the empty calories of adoration and negative attention for so long. I did enjoy some of GM's music, and the continued narrative has been that he died peacefully in his sleep, which if true is a good way to go. But who knows what may have been going on with him the days and weeks leading up to it. Someone on Facebook also posted that maybe this was more of a coincidence and that it's being used to cover-up the reports coming out about mass graves by the "rebels" in Syria.

I don't think there a need for a human conspiracy (except maybe for the media coverage that masks other things going on) but the "last Christmas" (in addition to the name maybe?) thing is interesting, especially with Christmas being celebrated in Aleppo for the first time in years was being shared across social media. What I found interesting also was that on FB, there was no mention of the terrible loss of the Alexandrov Choir from the contacts not from the forum. All they cared about was Princess Leia's heart attack and G. Michael's death with sad emoticons and all. I don't know what it is about but I find it far more tragic for a big group of artists to die in a terrible accident while traveling to give a concert to a suffering population, than for a single individual who's said to have died peacefully with family.

 

[Turgon]

Neil Young once said, "it's better to burn out, then to fade away..." and maybe that relates in some way. There's nothing of real substance in the lifestyle, crowd, industry and people who are attracted to that so once the cameras turn their attention to someone else, the celebrities become shell's, having thrived off the empty calories of adoration and negative attention for so long. I did enjoy some of GM's music, and the continued narrative has been that he died peacefully in his sleep, which if true is a good way to go. But who knows what may have been going on with him the days and weeks leading up to it. Someone on Facebook also posted that maybe this was more of a coincidence and that it's being used to cover-up the reports coming out about mass graves by the "rebels" in Syria.

I don't think there a need for a human conspiracy (except maybe for the media coverage that masks other things going on) but the "last Christmas" (in addition to the name maybe?) thing is interesting, especially with Christmas being celebrated in Aleppo for the first time in years was being shared across social media. What I found interesting also was that on FB, there was no mention of the terrible loss of the Alexandrov Choir from the contacts not from the forum. All they cared about was Princess Leia's heart attack and G. Michael's death with sad emoticons and all. I don't know what it is about but I find it far more tragic for a big group of artists to die in a terrible accident while traveling to give a concert to a suffering population, than for a single individual who's said to have died peacefully with family.

It's more of this selective empathy and vulture-like feeding, osit. That's the way I see the media in regards to this. What kind of gossip and tabloid rumors could they have gotten from the Alexandrov Choir? Not very much. From what I know of them, they were exceptional and all excellent musicians - no train wreck waiting to happen. With George Michael, he was hounded by the media and made fun of and ridiculed after his fame started running out, and then when he dies they turn him into this tragic figure and how much he gave to the world, etc. The media is so two-faced and opportunistic that way. They kick the person when they are down and when said celebrity dies, they glorify the same person as if he/she was this perfectly gentle soul that could do no wrong.

 

[luc]

George Michael greatest hit was ''Last Christmas.'' Which makes it kind of symbolic because he died during this Christmas period.

Well, I don't want to sound too mean here, but "Last Christmas" might be one of the most universally hated songs ever. Everyone I know makes jokes about it that every year we are bombarded with this song, in every shop, radio station - everywhere! We all heard it so many times that it's hard not to be annoyed by it. So I couldn't help but think that this was some kind of revenge of the mass consciousness - kind of, "there you have your last Christmas!"

 

[Ant22]

George Michael greatest hit was ''Last Christmas.'' Which makes it kind of symbolic because he died during this Christmas period.

Well, I don't want to sound too mean here, but "Last Christmas" might be one of the most universally hated songs ever. Everyone I know makes jokes about it that every year we are bombarded with this song, in every shop, radio station - everywhere! We all heard it so many times that it's hard not to be annoyed by it. So I couldn't help but think that this was some kind of revenge of the mass consciousness - kind of, "there you have your last Christmas!"

In that case I really wish the mass consciousness acted on Freddie Mercury's "Show Must Go On" too

 

[Alejo]

Perhaps it's timing, and I'm not sure if this is the place to share it(since this thread seems to be music themed). But I've just now learned that Carrie fisher or Princess Leia has passed at the age of 60.

_https://www.rt.com/usa/371967-carrie-fisher-dies-leia/

 

[JGeropoulas]

That's an interesting observation. I think these people are not admired anymore like they used to - yes, people still react to their deaths, but I get the impression it's more of a nostalgia thing, kind of: "Ah, those times back in the 80's when I admired this or that star..." Nowadays, the real stars are regular people on youtube that go viral with their little performances and so on. These old "music industry stars" are just a relict. They belong to a world that is no more, a different reality - osit.

I also have a feeling like it's mainly nostalgia. This or that song from this or that dead singer reminding us of a time when things were definitely so different. The "back in the good old days" meme, when things didn't seem so bad (i.e. before 911). Or maybe it's just that we were younger and as we grow older, we embellish our memories, and everything seems better than it actually was. Anyway, the comment "they belong to a world that is no more" is like saying that, in a way, they've become "a dream in the past".

Not only that, but notice how the MSM pushes them down people's throats - like that utter zero, Kim Kardashian and her kin. Gads!

So true. As Joni MItchell bemoaned 40 years ago in "Free Man In Paris":

I was a free man in Paris
I felt unfettered and alive
There was nobody calling me up for favors
And no one's future to decide
You know I'd go back there tomorrow
But for the work I've taken on
Stoking the star-maker machinery
Behind the popular song

 

[bjorb]

George Michael greatest hit was ''Last Christmas.'' Which makes it kind of symbolic because he died during this Christmas period.

Well, I don't want to sound too mean here, but "Last Christmas" might be one of the most universally hated songs ever. Everyone I know makes jokes about it that every year we are bombarded with this song, in every shop, radio station - everywhere! We all heard it so many times that it's hard not to be annoyed by it. So I couldn't help but think that this was some kind of revenge of the mass consciousness - kind of, "there you have your last Christmas!"

Don't care.. Less celebrities more than often means less cheerleaders for the Empire. Besides these vampires are sucking way to much energy and attention up anyhow. And they usually only sell poison.

It's time for some real heroes !!!