David Cameron returns to UK as fire and riots grip London

good to hear our London members are ok.
Same as Tigersoap I had a thought that something is off with this, I contemplated that these riots have been deliberately allowed to escalate to such level so that they can be used as an excuse for whatever oppressive measure needs to be introduced. I guess time will tell...
 
Yesterday night the riots spread to other cities in England: Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester. The night in London was more calm cause of the huge police troops. Also in Germany appearing news articles where a police chief said, I would call fear-mongering tactic, that things like this could happen here.
 
Was out with friends last night in Scotland, nothing Atal except a larger than usual police presence. But the thing that scares me now is how every siren, every police car I saw I felt an emotional reaction towards...it activated my flight or fight programme...not good. Perhaps I was just watching too much of the news?

Things do not bode well for the UK on the whole, having seen how cites turning literally into war zones, it does worry me. I was kinda in disbelief actually at it happening in the UK, on this scale, it doesn't seam real.

Also the thing that probably scares me the most, is that I've noticed thoughts of actually wanting riots to happen in my area, ive noticed feelings not of my own, desperate for 'something' to happen. Now of course I Don't want that, but where does this come from? Dare I mention HARRP? I would appreciate all suggestions on that one, since Tbh it scares the bleep! Outta me :(

Stay safe everyone!

Edit- location for anonymity
 
I live in Surrey and things are fairly quiet here at the moment thankfully.

Last night my husband was watching a video where an interview with some female youths was featured - they were questioned about why they were hurting the locals (it may have been the one that was mentioned already, as they said they were 'showing the police they could do what they wanted') - and in response to the question, they said they were only targetting the 'rich' locals, and said it was the 'fault' of rich people.

I find it all incredibly sad and frustrating.

Keep safe all.
 
Paragon said:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233189-David-Cameron-Returning-to-UK-as-Fire-and-Riots-Grip-London

And not just in London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Leeds, Nottingham and Bristol were affected too.

I'm struggling to make sense of what the real issue is here. Is it just a mob mentality that causes this anarchy, jumping on a bandwagon for excitement, or an actual grievance at the state of the world? A bit of both?

Official news outlets are pushing home the "greedy, riotous youth" and I have to admit, I feel nothing but contempt towards those who join in and destroy peoples homes, communities and livelihoods. I personally at this moment, can't see the justification in all this anarchy whilst peoples lives are ruined, and yes I'm angry, especially watching it unfold on the news. I'm worried that this will spread further across the UK.

So any objective viewpoints on this issue would be appreciated thanks!

I think the British are reaping the fruits of decades of marginalisation of ethnic minorities and the 'lower classes' in general. It's not about condoning it, it's about recognising that it is evidence of a failed and fundamentally corrupt society where the elites rob and pillage public funds, the middle class turns a blind eye and believes the lies, and the lower classes feel abused and discriminated against. The blame lies squarely at the door of official government polices these past 30 or 40 years. In short, the effects of psychopaths in power.
 
Gertrudes said:
I'm sorry, but I'm really struggling to live through such profound lack of care for other people's lives.

Sure, but it's not surprising when a culture of lack of care for others has been promoted from the top down for years. How many people in the UK in general (from any class) really care about others?
 
Paragon said:
Things do not bode well for the UK on the whole, having seen how cites turning literally into war zones, it does worry me. I was kinda in disbelief actually at it happening in the UK, on this scale, it doesn't seam real.

Just a little addition to what has already been said, on the train this morning which sets off from London I overheard the train cop (presumably from London) talking about martial law. I didn't really catch any context but it just might be an indication of what the 'mood' is like among the 'force' in general. FWIW

Also, it can be expected that the riots will be milked for what it's worth by the pathocrats in power to further tighten the police state here n the UK. On a different yet similar topic, looking somewhat more ahead, the coming olympic games of 2012 in London are starting to look like the 1939 Berlin olympics. History repeating itself?
 
Perceval said:
Sure, but it's not surprising when a culture of lack of care for others has been promoted from the top down for years. How many people in the UK in general (from any class) really care about others?

Yes, true. I do know that this isn't a problem from the looters, as in, look at the kids and what they're doing. The problem is in what caused it, that's where the real problem lies, and you've summarized it in the post above.
Sorry, I was a little upset yesterday and admittedly angry at the gangs who are only the product of what a profoundly corrupt system has created. It begs the question, who's the real victim and the aggressor in all of this?
 
Perceval said:
I think the British are reaping the fruits of decades of marginalisation of ethnic minorities and the 'lower classes' in general. It's not about condoning it, it's about recognising that it is evidence of a failed and fundamentally corrupt society where the elites rob and pillage public funds, the middle class turns a blind eye and believes the lies, and the lower classes feel abused and discriminated against. The blame lies squarely at the door of official government polices these past 30 or 40 years. In short, the effects of psychopaths in power.

Yes. And what happens when the children of the middle class behold their futures being strangled in front of them, their lives tossed to the mercies of prole-hood? Which is what has effectively happened to my generation, and it is worse, the younger you are. We've been raised in a culture of greed and lies, where narcissism and sociopathic devotion to self-interest are the hidden virtues. We've been raised on poisoned, processed food, and we're three generations into that now and have the asthma, autoimmune, gastrointestinal and nervous system disorders to prove it. Take that population of confused, angry, mal-developed youth, commence their economic starvation in a system in which they have no stake ... actually that's not quite true. Considering that they are almost universally enslaved by debts they did not agree to, debts taken on by their parents and grandparents, they have a negative stake in the system, which is to say a stake in the system's dismantlement. Of course, a far more positive direction for this energy is to turn it towards the creation of a system which does offer a future for all concerned ... but I don't think 'positivity' really characterizes this planet in this age.

Take those two girls giggling about what fun it was to attack the cops, burn buildings and take what they wanted because they could. This is what the rule of psychopaths has produced: youth for whom the cooperative and systematic sacking and pillaging of their 'own' (hah!) cities is seen as a form of play, a nice way to spend the evening really, nothing like it for excitement and look at me new handbag, love! That's a viscerally frightening mindset, and I all but guarantee that fear of this madness twists nowhere more strongly than in the guts of the elite and their minions ... even those who know that it is all a set-up, as Tigersoap points out (ie that security infiltration of these mobs is quite thorough and that there is a Plan) know that some of their own will be sacrificed to these wolves as the prepared revolution ramps up and heads roll in preparation for the roll-out of the final dys-order.

So many people on this thread seem so shocked at this. I don't find it surprising (I am a bit surprised that no one has compared this to the Rodney King riots, which were remarkably similar). I've been expecting this for quite some time. Every aware entity here has. At any rate I see far, far worse than this on the way. WWIII, when it comes, will not be China vs. the USA et al. (though it might be that too.) It will be people vs. elite, citizenry vs. state, local economies vs. corporations. This Trinidadian writer and activist puts it well: these 'riots' are more akin to the opening shots of an insurrection:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neN5FiTOIJY&feature=player_embedded

How long, I wonder, can a country be convinced to make war on itself, between its youth and its elders? Can the Briitish Army and the British youth be set into open conflict? How long before rioters are classified as terrorists, and how long before the rioters adopt terrorist tactics themselves? The riots are striking in their difference from the nonviolent, mass protest style of activism employed elsewhere. Now 16,000 cops are on the streets, soldiers are on their way, and London and by the by England will become a city under occupation by its 'own' government. The resentment that stirs will very likely antagonize further protest, further unrest ... and while I expect a great deal of this to remain of the Gandhi-trap flavor (UK Uncut style creative activism, for example) those who choose the path of open warfare against the system will likely escalate their actions, encouraged no doubt by agents provocateurs.

As a side note, it will be interesting to watch the role of social media and mobile devices in all of this. Facebook and Blackberry are already coming under official scrutiny ... who wants to bet that some form of licensed internet usage may be brought in as way to curb the destructive potential of communications technology? My prediction: if/when such controls are enacted (or maybe more accurately, revealed) the 'net will pull one of its famously slippery maneuvers, interpreting censorship as damage and routing around it. "Diaspora", for instance, could suddenly start to look a lot more attractive if people are getting arrested for FB posts. Alternatively, we might see a mass backlash against electronic communications as to easy to surveil/tap, and a reversion to much older methods (such as talking to the people around you.)
 
I wonder when France and NATO will start to bomb Britain? Those people are not angry for nothing. It must be because the fascistic dictatorship type regime. Someone must bring freedom to British people, maybe even supply them some guns, so they can fight alone.

Yes, it's irony.


Herr Eisenheim said:
good to hear our London members are ok.
Same as Tigersoap I had a thought that something is off with this, I contemplated that these riots have been deliberately allowed to escalate to such level so that they can be used as an excuse for whatever oppressive measure needs to be introduced. I guess time will tell...

I don't think that there is need for such a large scale show. I think that people there are already programed to the degree when they would buy anything that media and their government have to sell them.
 
I totally agree. I was watching all the scenes and I was buying Everything the media and official sources had to say...it reminded me of 9/11 in that regard where it has such an emotional impact on people, they look to 'official' sources and ride the 'wave' of the moment, without thinking critically.

I think Any and I really mean this... Any alternative view one presents to the official common held story, will get shot down in flames, you as a person will be instantly viewed as condoning the violence as one BBC news presenter started to do ( you can find this video on Joe Quinn's SOTT focus article) and people will literally start to attack you. I know this because I was starting to become programmed for the official explanation, until I realised how emotional my thinking had become...I forgot to think critically. And the alternative views I started to hear made me feel disgusted....until I self remembered and tried to understand their viewpoints, which started to make sense.

I'm sorry, but I only see things getting so much more worse, as Cameron is already talking about bringing in the army to help at times of civil unrest, and using something Similar as the state police in France, giving police the power to remove scarfs if police think they are planning something 'criminal', denouncing phoney human rights like CCTV images etc.

Taken from the BBC news website

Some more foreign reaction. State-owned Libyan TV has told its viewers that "The British Broadcasting Corporation has revealed that David Cameron is carrying out a large-scale terror operation against the British people". According to BBC Monitoring, the channel said that the rioters were "revolutionaries" fighting against "Cameron's mercenaries and brigades".

I'd say that is true and please correct me if I'm wrong.

In short, people can't actually think for themselves anymore. Totally and utterly programmed like a machine, they will fight people who are awake to the truth like us, physically, mentally and emotionally. It's a sad indicament of my own programming that until it started to kick off here, I couldnt see what was going on in the world. This truly has connected the dots for me I'm afraid. Because I know if I try provide an alternative to what's been going on, the matrix control system will instantly shut me down. It's almost like, as we get closer to the wave, things get more intense and the divisions between people open to the truth and folk who's cup are full, just get wider and more dangerous. PTB want an 'us v them' scenario don't they?

Apologies for the doom and gloom, but britain surely is diving into a fascist police state, and I never noticed it because i am living in it. I think thats the problem, it's a subtle progression if you are living in it, but from the outside, our mirrors if you like, it's as bright as the day!
 
Quote from Psychegram:
Yes. And what happens when the children of the middle class behold their futures being strangled in front of them, their lives tossed to the mercies of prole-hood? Which is what has effectively happened to my generation, and it is worse, the younger you are. We've been raised in a culture of greed and lies, where narcissism and sociopathic devotion to self-interest are the hidden virtues. We've been raised on poisoned, processed food, and we're three generations into that now and have the asthma, autoimmune, gastrointestinal and nervous system disorders to prove it. Take that population of confused, angry, mal-developed youth, commence their economic starvation in a system in which they have no stake ...

Something's just gotta give when the soul's spirit has been crushed and molded beyond anything bearable.

It's just gotta.
 
psychegram said:
As a side note, it will be interesting to watch the role of social media and mobile devices in all of this. Facebook and Blackberry are already coming under official scrutiny ... who wants to bet that some form of licensed internet usage may be brought in as way to curb the destructive potential of communications technology? My prediction: if/when such controls are enacted (or maybe more accurately, revealed) the 'net will pull one of its famously slippery maneuvers, interpreting censorship as damage and routing around it. "Diaspora", for instance, could suddenly start to look a lot more attractive if people are getting arrested for FB posts. Alternatively, we might see a mass backlash against electronic communications as to easy to surveil/tap, and a reversion to much older methods (such as talking to the people around you.)

The use of these technologies has been on my mind, but not because of the above mentioned reasons. Mostly, its how easy an anonymous source could manipulate masses of angry people into specifically engineered targeted destruction. It just smells of manipulation by the PTB, but I could be totally wrong.
Rather than being a network the PTB can't touch - hence useful to revolutionaries, I think its already under PTB control to direct any revolutions to there own ends. fwiw
 
Paragon said:
I think Any and I really mean this... Any alternative view one presents to the official common held story, will get shot down in flames, you as a person will be instantly viewed as condoning the violence as one BBC news presenter started to do ( you can find this video on Joe Quinn's SOTT focus article) and people will literally start to attack you. I know this because I was starting to become programmed for the official explanation, until I realised how emotional my thinking had become...I forgot to think critically. A

Same here, I witnessed the violence directly and simply had a mindless knee jerk reaction. Very scary isn't it, how being so close to chaos just completely shuts one's critical thinking down, even to something that's actually extremely, and that bears repeating, extremely easy to see, and even expect...I can only imagine how I may react once things get worse. Very scary.

Problem is, and I've been asking around on people's views just to gather a sense of what is the common perspective, no one seems to even question what has really caused this. These kids have been called pests and rats on TV. Everyone is accusing them. Well, what can we expect after what we've been doing to the last generations?! Could we have really expected something different?

psychegram said:
At any rate I see far, far worse than this on the way.

That's for sure.
 
Paragon said:
I think Any and I really mean this... Any alternative view one presents to the official common held story, will get shot down in flames, you as a person will be instantly viewed as condoning the violence as one BBC news presenter started to do ( you can find this video on Joe Quinn's SOTT focus article) and people will literally start to attack you.

On that point, check out this reader comment, if you can make it all the way through, if not, just check out his last few paragraphs. I love the way he calls the UK government "socialist"!!
Since I am apparently banned from posting comments on Sott articles, I thought I might offer an example of what I might have posted. Due to the further left-drift of soot’s, I mean Sott’s editorial board, their reasons for ignoring my pleas for an explanation will become apparent.

To the Editors:

I read with interest Mr. Quinn's article on the police response, or more accurately, lack of it, to the recent violence in London and other parts of England. In my view, his article is tendentious and politically biased propaganda, and evinces a patently Marxist left-wing viewpoint more befitting a University sophomore shooting for “A”’s than a professional writer whose aim is to get at the truth. Indeed, Quinn’s propagandistic article seems to have an agenda all its own. He references an incident from 1971, 40 years ago, and argues unconvincingly that that event has a relation to the events over the last few days in England. Pure rabble-rousing. The plagiarizing Communist sexual deviant Michael “Martin Luther” King Jr. would be proud.

To begin with, the thesis of the argument, if there is one, is flawed. While Mr. Quinn denounces the use of rubber bullets against, well, anyone, his tone would suggest that UK police actually had used them to quell rioters. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Not one rubber bullet has been fired by English police. There is not one water cannon on English soil at this time either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-observe.html

“Police were ordered to 'stand and observe' rioters as they laid waste to London's streets instead of confronting them, it was claimed today.
Scotland Yard insiders have revealed teams were frustrated at their inability to wade in and arrest troublemakers while they looted and burnt out shops.
They had apparently been told to try and contain any violence but not to haul away offenders who would instead be identified through video footage later, according to The Times.”

Mr. Quinn blames the English government as having “bred...millions of poor, uneducated and frustrated Britishers.” No doubt there is some truth to this, but who really “bred” what to the degree that this rioting was microsocially intentional and imminent? In truth the perpetrators of the mayhem were already “poor, uneducated and frustrated” and obviously determined to remain that way, lest they be condemned by their peers as “acting White,” while they organized to visit havoc upon White Society, long before they began freeloading off of English taxpayers, in spite of the numerous government programs in place to give them every opportunity to better themselves. Note that bookstores were spared from the looting. By design.

Does Mr. Quinn imagine that e.g. Liberia, a nation that was freely given to Africans by American President James Madison over two hundred years before anything happened in Ulster, now offers better opportunities for individual betterment, social advancement and equality than does England? One might look to the present condition of Liberia for a clue. The purported “disenfranchisement” of the rioters is intentional on their part. The Sub-Saharan Negro race want no part of the franchise. Such a role would jar their sense of identity. In fact, the rioters intentionally unleashed a colossal Hate Crime upon White people simply because there was the slightest opportunity to do so. Which Mr. Quinn apparently condones, destroyed English productivity notwithstanding

As far as “brain-jellifying frankenfoods,” go, well, those are probably made widely available by design too, but the biological fact is that the crack cocaine that illegal-gun-toting Mark Duggan (who was on his way to committing a revenge murder) made his living selling to his willfully “disenfranchised” blood brothers who purchase (with taxpayer money) and ingest by their own Free Will does more to “jellify” the brain in one dosage than a lifetime of eating said “frankenfood”, which is also paid for with the tax money the English government appropriated from decent working native English citizens straight into the hands of those people who are genetically incapable of coping in a White society. By design.

“Life in the UK” would be a lot more “pleasant” for every denizen if the English race didn’t have the wealth created by their honest hard work re-distributed by a Socialist government whose apparent aim is to destroy the quality of life of those who who created that wealth from their sweat and blood in the first place. But Mr. Quinn would no doubt assert that even more wealth needs to be hopelessly thrown at the problem to make things all better.
The “disenfranchised” could have used their free, government-appropriated taxpayer money to purchase healthy foods and cook them at home in order to eat healthier foods at a lower cost, but that would be too White, and besides, the preparation of nutritious foods requires a measure of intelligence which is also a White thing that the rioters want no part of. They wouldn’t be able to feed their childish vanity making the scene at the take-away if they were home preparing healthy foods. Free Will. The riots are pure resentment, pure Hate Crime.

Finally, Quinn recruits as character witness a senile, babbling high Marxist agitator who in addition to having no business existing on English soil, also has little interest in civilized dialogue with the BBC presenter. He does not respond to the questions, he only continues his invective on his own terms. This woman displayed a great deal of forbearance and patience with this babbling nutbag, and finally was forced to cut short the interview, no doubt on cue from her producers, who rightly perceived that this loon was no help to the Socialist cause, which the BBC has on policy done backflips to present in a positive light. Not even the BBC could help this guy. And Quinn thinks those fixated ramblings support his argument? Guess again.

The only positive point Quinn makes is to speculate that the lack of police enforcement was by design. You got that right. Generate Chaos, then establish the pre-designed Order. An old game.

What will result, a crackdown on drug dealers, on black-on-White violence? I doubt it, but the riots do provide an excuse to remove Everyone’s right to electronic media. There will be more police passivity, more damage to White creativity, and a more invasive eye into everyone's doings, with a studied selectivity toward who is prosecuted and who is not. Prosecutorial discretion indeed.

To his credit, it is noted that Mr. Quinn did not blame the rioting of a maladjusted race artificially displaced into a social order that is alien to them on a comet.

Feed your head,

Howard Leyland
 
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