Dead dream.

[Renaissance]

Is the statement: "based on the observation" satisfactory?

It's not really about satisfying anyone else, but it is about finding a new way to address the way you think about your thoughts and input. This can't be done just by changing the words we write. It's about being truly open to questioning your own thoughts and considering the thoughts of the group. Since this has been said before, it may simply be that you need to do some more reading and reflection before you try to come up with answers and a response.

The reason why I publish my thoughts and support it by the way I think and also the processes that led me to think in such way is simple. I find it more helpful to hear any clues showing me that the way I observe might be wrong somehow. However, my first post in this topic concerned mostly the opinion. I was asked to explain it more clearly and support it. This is why I tried to present constructive arguments. I feel that You try to tell me that I argue a point not listening to the input. But You do it, when I am to explain my suggestions! Isn't it like asking a postman for the reason why he brought you a letter? Or do I get something wrong?

I think you are missing something. It's not a very sincere approach to finding answers when you argue in order to get a response which proves you wrong. First off, there is not much actual thinking going on when this is done. You're demanding that others do the work that you need to do. It's all very probable that this is not your intention and is a matter of habit. That's fine for the time being, but can you question it? Trying to support yourself in a debate in order to win, to prove yourself right or demand that others prove you wrong is much different than supporting thoughts in a discussion. In a sincere discussion there is no emotional investment - it's not about being right or wrong but simply finding out what the truth is.

 

[daniello]

I feel, that You concentrated on the way I speak, rather than discuss over the topic. Finding the truth, no matter how many questions are asked and how many arguments are picked up is still finding the truth.
Shall we come back to the discussion about the importance of not telling lies? I'm looking forward your further suggestions.

 

[anart]

I feel, that You concentrated on the way I speak, rather than discuss over the topic. Finding the truth, no matter how many questions are asked and how many arguments are picked up is still finding the truth.
Shall we come back to the discussion about the importance of not telling lies? I'm looking forward your further suggestions.

See, Daniello, this is not very helpful of you. It is another example of your not listening to what is being said to you. I suppose at this point the question becomes, are you capable of listening and considering what is being said to you without immediately contradicting it in your mind or immediately coming up with excuses or 'arguments' for why you are correct (even when you are not)?

As has been said repeatedly, it is not the way you speak, it is the content of what you write - does that make it any clearer?

 

[vinny]

Daniello,

what I am picking up from you is a strong fear of being misunderstood. You believe that your words are being 'twisted' and minsinterpreted by those who read them. You do not believe that you are accurately expressing what you want to say. So, it is like an inner struggle, part of you wants to get the words out, but another part of you very much does not want to consider the replies that come back, because it feels threatened. But what is it that could feel threat from the truth?

Something to consider: it sounds like a fear-based lockdown on your communication and that suggests one thing: that your 'predator's mind' or 'false personality' is in control. This is very common. When this is the case, perhaps the false personality feels threat of exposure, the false personality works very hard at the subconscious level to adjust your actions and perceptions so that, in effect, you are not in conscious control of your thought processes. Often you will not even be able to see that this is happening, it will only be apparent to an external observer. This is why what you write does indeed provide data even if you can't see that we see it, and why Mme de Salzmann's essay is so very useful.

What may be happening is, well, I've already used this quote once this morning, but it seems it might be appropriate here too, so I'll quote some Castaneda, and see if it is in any way useful to you:

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.

 

[daniello]

Nomad, Los and Anart, I aprecciate your suggestions. The possible gap in my unfold process was shown, and whether it is constructive or not, it does not have to be mentioned in each post. If the program does really exist, it will be surely fixed/ removed in adequate moment. What is going to happen, will happen. I feel, you're focusing the energy at the point that has already been noticed. There is no need in doing that. The suggestion has been noticed. I'd be glad if we cleared this point.

As has been said repeatedly, it is not the way you speak, it is the content of what you write - does that make it any clearer?

The value/content of the text is what I'd like to focus at. Apparently, the discussion tends to explanations 'that the point is somehow misunderstood' on which it ends. This is what really lead it astray. The thing what is missing here, is collective consideration about the value of a given case.

 

[anart]

Nomad, Los and Anart, I aprecciate your suggestions. The possible gap in my unfold process was shown, and whether it is constructive or not, it does not have to be mentioned in each post. If the program does really exist, it will be surely fixed/ removed in adequate moment. What is going to happen, will happen. I feel, you're focusing the energy at the point that has already been noticed. There is no need in doing that. The suggestion has been noticed. I'd be glad if we cleared this point.

Apologies again, Daniello, but you are still missing the point. Programs do not just get fixed or removed by themselves without Work from you - and asking us all to stop pointing out your lack of understanding of the material and the programs evident in how you address it is doing a severe disservice to the Real you. That is not how this forum works, and it's not going to just 'go away'.

The value/content of the text is what I'd like to focus at.

That is EXACTLY what has been focused on - the content of the text - your lack of understanding as written in the content of your text. The fact that you still don't get this is rather disconcerting. Please review this thread, completely, and see if you can discern where the content of what you have written has been addressed.

Apparently, the discussion tends to explanations 'that the point is somehow misunderstood' on which it ends. This is what really lead it astray. The thing what is missing here, is collective consideration about the value of a given case.

Again - you are mistaken - the discussion on the thread has not been 'led astray'. You have been given information to directly correct your misinterpretation of the material. If you are sincere about participating in this forum, then you must accept the information given to you as worthy of deep and sincere consideration. If, however, you have no intention of listening to input, then this forum may not be for you.

 

[daniello]

Apologies again, Daniello, but you are still missing the point. Programs do not just get fixed or removed by themselves without Work from you

You're missing my intention. I wanted to assure that your suggestions were noticed. As I believe, You're familiar with the concept of the needed "time" while putting an effort on understanding part. So I thought, that I wasn't supposed to write it so literally. The "time" is needed.

You have been given information to directly correct your misinterpretation of the material. If you are sincere about participating in this forum, then you must accept the information given to you as worthy of deep and sincere consideration.

It is important, to always question Your beliefs. To question all beliefs. This is a sincere participating.

That is EXACTLY what has been focused on - the content of the text - your lack of understanding as written in the content of your text. The fact that you still don't get this is rather disconcerting. Please review this thread, completely, and see if you can discern where the content of what you have written has been addressed.

Please, support Your idea of the parts where I'm missing something. This conversation changed into a salad. You say about misunderstanding, but you don't support the idea that I do. This is not objective. I'm putting my energy and efforts to reach and even get the point, what You're up to, but it is still not enough to hear where is the 'gap'. It's confusing.

 

[Oxajil]

Hi
In my opinion dreams are a projection of our perception. Usually, we dream of things on which we'd put our attention. If you watched a movie about skeletons, in future, you might dream of them. Of course it is more complicated, I just wanted to put some little analogy. While dreaming our state is similar to the 5D conditions, so we're better connected to our Higher Self. Then we may receive different impulses, like symbolic(or literal) prophecies, messages from our, or global Awareness and what's obvious here- our dream could be just manipulated by the greys.
After this intro part, I'll let myself claim, that your mother's dream was nothing but a dream.

I don't understand that. First you say that dreams could be basically anything, we can't be sure and then you claim that it was probably nothing but a dream?

My grandma used to dream about me being hit by a car, or falling from a cliff. None of this happened.
Probably your mum was thinking recently about death or graveyards. Because, You're her son - she cares about you and think of You, so her brain somehow connected these two memories.

Well your grandma isn't Bo's mother. We are all unique. And someone dying in a dream, does not mean that someone will die literally per se.

Please, take my word hypothetically. I see no point in her conclusion, supported by her vision, that You should lie about Your opinion "because the world is dangerous".

You see ''no point'' in that? It could be a possibility, just like every other possibility since we can not be sure!

I wonder, did you question your beliefs in that post when you wrote it and every other post you've written? Also do you question your conclusions that you make from your experiences and studies? You could have said ''Maybe it is just a dream...because, or ''I think...
Using the word ''probably'' which means: most likely, is kind of confusing in this case since I think that every probability could be true.
Every explanation could be right I think.

Why to never lie? Lies extend, and strenghten the illusion we're in. I feel, that lies creates a barrier, at a soul level, which separates us. As I have said before- we are all one, we are all one consciousness. Why to separate and divide? It's not our goal, I think.

We are already divided and separated. Why? Because I think we somehow chose to. We played in the dirt and we got dirty! And a lot of people like being here, even though they haven't learned the things we learn ''at the moment'', even though their eyes and ears might still be closed. Apparently they are on that point on the learning cycle and it is not their ''time'' yet to experience the same as we experience. So should we decide for them that it IS their time, that they must see what we see, hear what we hear? Sure we can drop a hint or two or help them when they ASK, but we can't just talk about hyperdimensional beings, ufo's, religion etc to people who simply are not interested. You might do more harm than you think, maybe they won't be interested at all anymore after a debate like that, who knows? You would be violating that person's free will.
To act in a way that does not violate the Free Will of another and is beneficial to you and the other person takes practice, it is very important to be careful, if we´re not, we could be damaging others and/or ourselves.

I don't see it as ''lying'', but as being externally considerate.

The world is a dark place and there are a lot of lies going on etc. but this is part of our Existence. It is not necessarily ''wrong'', it's just what it is. And all we can do is to spread the word, Work on Ourselves to hopefully be able to Stand Together and not be divided as a group.

I think you would learn a lot by reading the Wave again (assuming you have read it).

 

[anart]

Daniello, I've asked you this previously, yet you have not answered - have you read the Wave Series, in its entirety? Did you read the thread on Opinions ? In many instances, you appear to be using a different vocabulary than the rest of the forum, and reading and understanding the basic material will likely remedy that.

 

[T.C.]

Please, support Your idea of the parts where I'm missing something. This conversation changed into a salad. You say about misunderstanding, but you don't support the idea that I do. This is not objective. I'm putting my energy and efforts to reach and even get the point, what You're up to, but it is still not enough to hear where is the 'gap'. It's confusing.

The parts where you're missing something, is just one single thing and it has been pointed out in every reply to you.

You do not know yourself.

And it means nothing to say, "okay, I get the point. One day, I will magically understand it without introspection; until then, can we talk about something else?" because whatever you talk about, you will only bring your hard-wired, automatic reactions into the discussion; you will only talk 'at' people instead of 'with' them.

Real Knowledge begins with knowledge of the Self, because the thing that stands between you and Real Knowledge, is YOU.

Maybe it would help to look at some other threads where people are being given advice or a 'mirror', because you'll probably agree with the other members of the forum rather than with the person whose eyes and ears are closed. You might then understand that when the majority of people all see the same thing in someone, it's probably not a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what the individual was trying to say.

Then, with the firm conviction that the forum really does see the truth in people, you can come back to this thread and begin to understand what is being pointed out.

 

[daniello]

I don't understand that. First you say that dreams could be basically anything, we can't be sure and then you claim that it was probably nothing but a dream?

Is there anything contradicting? A dream could be anything, so it does not have to consist an important information.

Well your grandma isn't Bo's mother. We are all unique. And someone dying in a dream, does not mean that someone will die literally per se.

It was just a little analogy.

You see ''no point'' in that? It could be a possibility, just like every other possibility since we can not be sure!

I think we are all here aware of this fact

You could have said ''Maybe it is just a dream...because, or ''I think...
Using the word ''probably'' which means: most likely, is kind of confusing in this case since I think that every probability could be true.

These are just words.

We are already divided and separated. Why? Because I think we somehow chose to. We played in the dirt and we got dirty! And a lot of people like being here, even though they haven't learned the things we learn ''at the moment'', even though their eyes and ears might still be closed. Apparently they are on that point on the learning cycle and it is not their ''time'' yet to experience the same as we experience. So should we decide for them that it IS their time, that they must see what we see, hear what we hear? Sure we can drop a hint or two or help them when they ASK, but we can't just talk about hyperdimensional beings, ufo's, religion etc to people who simply are not interested. You might do more harm than you think, maybe they won't be interested at all anymore after a debate like that, who knows? You would be violating that person's free will.
To act in a way that does not violate the Free Will of another and is beneficial to you and the other person takes practice, it is very important to be careful, if we´re not, we could be damaging others and/or ourselves.

This forum gathers people, who also choose to become a STO in future. I was not considering here, the STS model.

Daniello, I've asked you this previously, yet you have not answered - have you read the Wave Series, in its entirety? Did you read the thread on Opinions ? In many instances, you appear to be using a different vocabulary than the rest of the forum, and reading and understanding the basic material will likely remedy that.

I've read the whole "The Wave" presented in my language. The last one was 11f. Sorry, if using a different vocabulary makes you feel confused.

You do not know yourself.

I'm aware of this. Do You?

 

[anart]

Daniello, I've asked you this previously, yet you have not answered - have you read the Wave Series, in its entirety? Did you read the thread on Opinions ? In many instances, you appear to be using a different vocabulary than the rest of the forum, and reading and understanding the basic material will likely remedy that.

I've read the whole "The Wave" presented in my language. The last one was 11f. Sorry, if using a different vocabulary makes you feel confused.

It is not about me being confused, Daniello - it is about you not understanding the material and not even questioning that understanding enough to listen to others. There is no reason for you to be on this forum if you are going to argue about every piece of information given to you. Your cup is full - therefore, no one can help you.

I would strongly suggest that you read the Wave, in its entirety - in English - since I do not think it has been translated fully into Polish yet (I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am mistaken on that by our Polish translators) - and then - after having read it - after having gotten up to speed - return to discuss these concepts on the forum. At this point, it appears you are being argumentative just to be argumentative and this is behavior not allowed on this forum.

Since you did not answer my question about the Opinion thread, I can only assume you did not take the time to read it - that also indicates a lack of sincerity.