Dead hangs for strength and joint health

My chiropractic was supportive of dead hanging and also raised the issue of lower back instability. He suggested that I do the hangs with my feet on a raised platform in front to protect lower back similar to below:


I don't have anything that tall to take to the park, but have a foldable plastic step that will suit the purpose even though it's not quite that high.

Have also added some active hanging exercise and do ten reps of shoulder shrugs at the end of the dead hang time. Still nowhere near being able to pull off a pull up, but have a go at the end of each session.

I'm feeling some improvements in my thoracic spine with lower pain levels when I'm at work over the past few shifts.
 
I'm now hanging for just over a minute and continuing with shoulder shrugs at the end of the hang time. At my last chiro appointment he commented that my thoracic spine is now flexing very freely. He can feel the change when he moves me into position for thoracic adjustments.
 
Also helps with grip strength, was wondering if it could help with wrist pain from spending too much time using a keyboard and mouse.
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It shouldn't help much since, based on your description, the pain and discomfort originate from the extensor muscles and tendons of your fingers, and in the hanging activity, it's the opposite flexion action that's involved.
I would say that doing finger extensions with a band used to hold vegetables would help more, but even that shouldn't be enough to achieve sufficient strength levels without causing discomfort.
Perhaps you'd be interested in trying this: get a breathable glove for tendonitis (the one in the image isn't) and sew or glue elastic tape to it, which you can get at a hardware store, as follows:
1. Glue a piece of elastic tape to the center of each finger of the glove that corresponds to the metacarpals of your hand. Each piece should be long enough to reach the center of the glove's wristband.

2. Place your fingers at their maximum extension and stretch each strip one by one. They don't need to be taut, just fully extended. Use a marker to mark a line on each strip so that the end aligns with the beginning of the wristband fabric, but without overlapping the adhesive Velcro.

3. Cut and attach the elastic strips where appropriate.

Now everything should be easier, even if you don't actively think about relaxing your fingers instead of lifting them as you normally would; the demands on the finger extensors are considerably reduced.
Also, make sure the wrist position remains neutral by using a loose wrist brace, since tendinitis generally results from the relationship (friction) between the constant use of the tendons and a decrease in the extensor retinaculum, which is the collagen band that holds the extensor tendons in place.
Dead hangs are great, although they can exacerbate low back pain in some people. This video talks about the issue and offers some solutions:


(A good way to increase spine stiffness and stability is to do the classic McGill "big 3" exercises. The advice is to do all of them daily, but personally I just do one exercise per day, then the next exercise the following day, etc.)

Shoulders can be a limiting factor as well when dead hanging, but there are ways to fix the problem, for example:

I was surprised, and this was my experience (it was some time ago, but I hadn't shared it here).
I had hung before, but nothing had happened. This time, while adopting a neutral grip to reduce spinal arching and keeping my pelvis fairly neutral by resting my feet on a bench, I noticed something wasn't quite right in my lower back (I hung twice for a minute each time). Later, I felt a very slight numbness in my glute and leg, so I pressed on the sciatic nerve through my glute to see if the sensation would increase, and indeed, it was slightly inflamed.

I applied moderate pressure to the thoracolumbar fascia area, searching for trigger points to reduce the muscle spasm, and I woke up feeling fine the next day. (This type of massage is also used in spondylolisthesis treatments to accelerate progress, provided corrective exercises are performed concurrently.) I went back to hanging after waking up pain-free, this time without supporting myself with my feet. Instead, I maintained sufficient intra-abdominal pressure to keep my hips neutral. It went much better, but I'll definitely be sticking with the cat-camel position for a while.

This whole problem stems from a debilitating herniated disc I suffered several years ago due to poor deadlift technique. At the time, I recovered in about three months following specific protocols, regaining my strength and eliminating the pain. However, I see that something hasn't fully healed, or at least I haven't achieved sufficient internal stability. Therefore, I will resume the protocols and extend them for a longer period.
I have not read any research on this so if anyone wants to test it? A month (or longer?) of dead hangs every daily then see if pull-up capability improves. A sense that your muscles are starting to switch on and fire up in the pull-ups movement. Once a sense of increased muscle firing develops then bring back in eccentric contractions and assisted pull-ups. I wonder if it would work?
Grip strength is a limiting factor that impacts the number of pull-ups you can do more than the ability to do one, since strength comes from the latissimus dorsi and biceps/triceps muscles depending on the grip used (a pronated grip, which uses the triceps, is usually better since this muscle generally generates more force than the biceps).
The eccentric training tips already given, such as holding isometric positions at the most difficult points or reducing the weight by wearing light clothing, going barefoot, or eating a large meal, have an impact; a couple of kilos often makes the difference between being able to do a pull-up or not.
As far as I'm aware if you perform an exercise using a load sufficient to produce muscle and strength adaptations, there will be similar improvements in connective tissue. You cannot stimulate muscle hypertrophy or strength increases without also stimulating connective tissue adaptations.

Maybe there are some for whom the connective tissue is slower to adapt due to genetic factors, their lifestyle is such that they need to take more care of their joints than most, or their recovery is compromised because of age, diet, or environmental factors. But I expect such people are outliers.
Yes, that's the point. Tendons begin to respond much better in terms of adaptations from loads of 80% of the maximum repetition or more (armwestrling practitioners often exceed the maximum repetition in their tendon training, but use partial ranges of motion). They also require more rest than muscles, 4 days for a full recovery. Often, bodybuilders do not respect any of these previous parameters.

According to this guy dead hangs amongst other few exercises are best predictor for longevity
The guy in the first video Jones shared also mentioned it; at first glance, it seems like a case where having greater grip strength is a consequence of having better health... But several meta-analyses have shown that static isometric exercises, such as using handgrips or doing static squats (the same should apply to hanging or doing farmer's walks), lower blood pressure even more than aerobic exercises, and in considerably less time... It's theorized that this could be because static isometric exercise, once finished, increases nitric oxide production.

Of course, there could be other health-promoting mechanisms involved, and nitric oxide itself also participates in the nervous and immune systems.
 
Joe Rogan talks about it.

Finally made the time to read Shoulder Pain? The Solution & Prevention by John Kirsch MD that Rogan talked about in that clip and what Dr. Kirsch explains is that hanging reshapes a previously unrecognized joint in the shoulder that frequently causes problems due to lack of use. By opening the joint up via hanging it restores the normal anatomy of the shoulder.

The issue is that people just don't swing from trees like they used to, lol, so the body doesn't get the stimulus it needs to keep the joint healthy. Most people's day to day doesn't involve hanging out on a bar, so the joint tightens up and that can cause shoulder pains, rotator cuff issues, and so on.

He rightfully says dead hangs aren't a panacea but the number of surgeries and non-invasive treatments that can be avoided by performing the hangs is impressive. So long as there's not a major shoulder trauma, it's certainly worth experimenting with as a first-line treatment when shoulder pain starts up.

The book itself is a bit repetitive and probably could have been shortened a bit but overall I'd recommend the book as well as the exercises he suggests.

The long and short of his recommendations is that the goal is to get to a point where one can dead hang for 2 minutes three times with a minute rest in between up to 3 times a week. After each dead hang one does either a front raise with the arms going up above the head, lateral raise with the arms going above the head, or when leaning forward at 90 degrees like a table bring the arms up behind you as high as they'll go. All three of these are to be done with the goal of reaching 40 repetitions with 8 lbs or 4 kg weights and all are to be done with the palm toward the ground.

That's kind of the optimal end goal. Experiment with things to find out where you are and work up from there. For example, if someone is too heavy and their shoulder can't take all their weight then it's recommended to keep the feet underneath them and on something and just apply as much of your weight as you comfortably can. Building up over time. Same goes for the weights used for the active exercises.

From what he says it seems it's possible to see benefits from as little as hanging for a minute twice a week with no added exercises, but keep in mind that the minimum would be more for maintaining joint health whereas someone actively healing from an injury or addressing a current pain would need a more involved and extended daily practice.

I'm curious what the person said exactly and what data or experience they're drawing from as the only people I know of for whom the tendons and ligaments won't keep pace with muscle and strength gains are bodybuilders. Either those who take a lot of performance enhancing drugs or those who consistently do a high amount of training volume. Improvements in tendon and ligament strength do occur in those individuals, but the disparity between muscle and connective tissue adaptations is exaggerated and can lead to injuries or long-term problems.

As far as I'm aware if you perform an exercise using a load sufficient to produce muscle and strength adaptations, there will be similar improvements in connective tissue. You cannot stimulate muscle hypertrophy or strength increases without also stimulating connective tissue adaptations.

Maybe there are some for whom the connective tissue is slower to adapt due to genetic factors, their lifestyle is such that they need to take more care of their joints than most, or their recovery is compromised because of age, diet, or environmental factors. But I expect such people are outliers.

All that aside, though, I think it's a worthwhile experiment to try dead hangs and see what improvements, if any, come as a result. The book that Joe Rogan mentioned in the clip Alejo shared looks interesting as well. Some of the reviewers give some pretty amazing recovery testimonies. Might have to check it out since I have a shoulder issue from an improperly performed bench press a few years ago that may benefit from his recommendations.

Dr. Kirsch does mention bodybuilders having lots of shoulder issues and I know what he's talking about and after reading his descriptions I understand better what's happening to those people and why. It's not poor form, poor genetics, steroid use, or anything else. It's simply not hanging and stretching out the joint in the way that allows it to ensure optimal functioning.

I've added dead hangs to my pre- and post- workouts. So far, I'm finding it's been quite useful in aiding recovery from heavy lifting exercises like deadlifts. Also, my personal trainer said that dead hangs can be performed in a passive form (mostly what's described in this thread) and active form.

There are two forms but they're for two different things.

The active form is more for developing a mind-muscle connection, improving pull up form, developing the rhomboids, and other benefits. To get the shoulder health benefits Dr. Kirsch's wrote about requires a passive dead hang as the shoulders need to be relaxed for the humerus to apply the proper pressure to the acromion such that it bends and eventually changes shape.

At least, that's how I understand it. He never mentions active hanging but he does emphasize a relaxing of the shoulder and allowing as much stretch as possible.
 
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