Dear forum members...

[T.C.]

Good to read your encouraging words, T.C. What concerns me is the possible scenario of there no longer being an internet connection and what that would entail in terms of this group’s “connect-ability”. I am talking as a person who has been following you without actively partaking on the forum (though I am planning on doing much more of that and hope there is enough time left).

The C's have said in a recent session that the internet is useful to the powers that be, and so they're not likely to shut it down too soon. Your worry though reminds me of a quote from Gurdjieff about peoples fears of interaction with a Working group - that they fear they'll have to do the very things they're already doing, like an alcoholic will all of a sudden be afraid he'll be made to drink, etc.

If the thought of losing the group can act as a shock for you to network more, then that's a good thing. Life experiences reflect how we interact with the creation and we get back what we put into life :)

The fact is that we are scattered around the globe and have to find the motivation to survive and apply ourselves in whatever real life circumstances we find ourselves in – possibly without many or even no one around us who is on the same path, surrounded mainly by A-influences. Will there be enough “holding power” for this group if the digital net goes down?

Okay, if we imagine worse case scenario where we're really all cut off from each other: in such a circumstance, if we've learned all we can from each other while we still can, and have a kind of collective conscience, then on our own, we'll still be trying to act in ways we would have when we were connected; we'll still be representing the same ideas of being. Also, back to, Man's Search for Meaning, in the book, one of the things that kept the author going through all his struggles was a kind of 'imaginary' contact with his wife, whom he didn't know if she was alive or where she was, but he felt a connection to her, talked to her, saw her in his mind.

If we all know we're all out there, doing our part, representing the same things, that could fill in as a new motivation. Even if we're not in contact, we can still carry on for the sake of each other.

I like to thinkfeel so. Perhaps exactly by taking care of and facing what’s in front of us and applying what we have learnt so far and thereby strengthening our aim (I am telling this myself – first and foremost).

And the thing I like best about this approach is that it's Universal and we can apply it no matter what happens to us or what situation we find ourselves in.

 

[Mikey]

Thanks for expressing your thoughts on this, T.C, it certainly resonates!

The fact is that we are scattered around the globe and have to find the motivation to survive and apply ourselves in whatever real life circumstances we find ourselves in – possibly without many or even no one around us who is on the same path, surrounded mainly by A-influences. Will there be enough “holding power” for this group if the digital net goes down?

I think we will still have some time left before the internet goes out, unless mother nature has different plans. But if it does, reality will be so different that all bets will be off. The more we make the internet useful, positive and indispensable, the more difficulties the PTB will have in pulling the "kill switch", if such a thing even exists.

Also, if we consider the thousands of years of life on earth that have not had a communication medium like the internet, it almost seems that is our duty to make best use of it. Not just for the benefit of humanity, of your family, but also for your own personal evolution.

It is funny that while being on a path, we always are looking to and anticipating the End/Goal. But we never should forget that the Path is the actual Goal. Because once a particular path comes to an end (and all paths do that all by themselves independently of us!), we will look back and derive our joy or regret only from the quality of our uncountable difficult steps.

And finally, the C's said: "It doesn't matter where you are, but only who you are and what you see". So, let us make best use of our current Path, no matter where we are!

 

[Ysus]

I do agree with what you are saying, T.C and Data. The internet is still standing and we can and must make use of it. No need to be fear-mongering.

Still, I think it can be useful to try and picture such a scenario – if only as a reminder not to take being in touch with people who live very far away from us for granted. And for practical considerations: such as saving important texts, for example, or buying paper books rather than relying on online alternatives, keeping a non-digital address book etc.

The C's have said in a recent session that the internet is useful to the powers that be, and so they're not likely to shut it down too soon. Your worry though reminds me of a quote from Gurdjieff about peoples fears of interaction with a Working group - that they fear they'll have to do the very things they're already doing, like an alcoholic will all of a sudden be afraid he'll be made to drink, etc.

If the thought of losing the group can act as a shock for you to network more, then that's a good thing. Life experiences reflect how we interact with the creation and we get back what we put into life :)

It don't quite understand the analogy with Gurdjieff but gather, since I haven't interacted much it must indeed sound pathetic, almost comical that I should all of a sudden be angsting that that which I haven't (at least in terms of interaction) valued could be taken away from me…

Well. The thought of not having networked and not having managed to share and it possibly being too late is shocking. :/

 

[Ysus]

Or rather: … IS shocking.

 

[loreta]

Thanks T.C.! You are so right and your words touched me very well, also the comments of the others.

When you talked about the book of Viktor Frankl that talked to his wife, very often I talk to the members of this forum, the crowd of the Chateau, when I feel lonely and have nobody to exchange a tough, or when I see something when I am out, or in my bed before going to sleep. I am always communicating with this forum, spiritually. Because sometimes, almost always, spiritual friends are more important than the people that are around you, are more real, more good friends. Some authors that are not alive anymore are also my spiritual friends, help me, share with me my solitude. This forum, all the members, are for me spiritual friends. Your words and the words of the other members are spiritual words, they help us to continue to be here, to see, to feel the horror and the beauty. Our solitude is the silence that is plain of energy and good words, plain of understanding, of help, or communication. Life is less hard when you know that just coming here you are in a space of good people that accept you as you are. And coming here you start to accept who you are. And change will come with people who are present, accepting the horror and the beauty outside as inside.

Thanks TC.

 

[T.C.]

Your worry though reminds me of a quote from Gurdjieff about peoples fears of interaction with a Working group - that they fear they'll have to do the very things they're already doing, like an alcoholic will all of a sudden be afraid he'll be made to drink, etc.

If the thought of losing the group can act as a shock for you to network more, then that's a good thing. Life experiences reflect how we interact with the creation and we get back what we put into life :)

It don't quite understand the analogy with Gurdjieff but gather, since I haven't interacted much it must indeed sound pathetic, almost comical that I should all of a sudden be angsting that that which I haven't (at least in terms of interaction) valued could be taken away from me…

Ysus, what you wrote didn't come across as comical or pathetic at all and I'm sorry that my response made you feel that way. I threw it out there, flippantly.

You've decided to network more by sharing how you're feeling about all this, and immediately you've given me a mirror. I'm massively grateful for that.

 

[Ysus]

Ysus, what you wrote didn't come across as comical or pathetic at all and I'm sorry that my response made you feel that way. I threw it out there, flippantly.

You've decided to network more by sharing how you're feeling about all this, and immediately you've given me a mirror. I'm massively grateful for that.

Hang on: what you said - even if it was done flippantly - was appropriate and called-for. I needed to hear/read that. So I am sorry for coming across as overly delicate. I better get moving now. :)

 

[anka]

That was beautiful T.C., thank you

Exactly the same here. Thank you very much, T.C., for sharing.

 

[Fluffy]

Thanks for that T.C. Very well articulated and obviously heart-felt. I would only add that we should also find time for, and if necessary actively engage in, a little fun from time to time. As V said, a revolution (of the soul) without dancing (or laughing) isn't worth having! :D

Remember to laugh. Right now I feel like this is most important.

 

[Mark7]

Thanks T.C. It's good to hear some encouraging words. I'm shocked at the ever-increasing levels of craziness and psychopathic insanity in the world, but at the same time, increasing awareness of the malevolent actions of the PTB is waking more people up - funny how that works.

"All there is, is lessons".

 

[3DStudent]

Thanks T.C. for your words. I read it over the weekend and it was great timing. I was still recovering for a mostly unproductive Holiday vacation. I was thinking something a few nights ago like, "Let's prove Caesar wrong." Like, he said that he could not make much change in his life, but he was only one person. Maybe G is right that if a group of 200 or so individuals get together, that they can accomplish great things. I plan to read your post again. :)

 

[Eol]

Thank you T.C :)

We are the world and the world is us. We made the society and the society retroactively conditionned us. We only can change the things in a deeper level , which means individualy.

Faith and courage !

 

[CelticWarrior]

Thanks T.C. for the well thought and inspiring words, much appreciated :).

This network definitely means a lot to me as well - and it is a sort of "home" and anchor in all this insanity that's gripping this world, and the tempest that is to come; and as always as you mentioned, we should not lose heart, for the Universe doesn't give us anything we can't handle. One step at a time and one moment at a time - and as Joe mentioned, don forget to laugh and relax as well. Thanks again.

Well said Mr. Cyan I agree with you on your comment.

A lifelong "home" base if you will, upholding the virtues of a compassionate society. No matter what circumstances that may arise, we can always have the support of each other. And make the best of it along the way.

Thanks for expressing your thoughts on this, T.C, it certainly resonates!

The fact is that we are scattered around the globe and have to find the motivation to survive and apply ourselves in whatever real life circumstances we find ourselves in – possibly without many or even no one around us who is on the same path, surrounded mainly by A-influences. Will there be enough “holding power” for this group if the digital net goes down?

...if we consider the thousands of years of life on earth that have not had a communication medium like the internet, it almost seems that is our duty to make best use of it. Not just for the benefit of humanity, of your family, but also for your own personal evolution.

It is funny that while being on a path, we always are looking to and anticipating the End/Goal. But we never should forget that the Path is the actual Goal. Because once a particular path comes to an end (and all paths do that all by themselves independently of us!), we will look back and derive our joy or regret only from the quality of our uncountable difficult steps.

And finally, the C's said: "It doesn't matter where you are, but only who you are and what you see". So, let us make best use of our current Path, no matter where we are!

I'm on the same wavelength with you there, Data. "Maybe it's not the destination that matters. Maybe it's the journey. To the journey!"

 

[gottathink]

Also thank you for your words T.C. They really helped me today.
Whilst I was reading through the thread I understood that perhaps the journey is important but I think that means each challenge we face we build our skills our abilities, the journey results in knowledge, skills and power over our thinking. For me learning the skill of discipline, learning the skill of awareness, learning the skill of communication, of listening of giving. I am thinking we learn these abilities. Much like financial problems or debt, it is not the clearing of the debt that matters it is the life skills we learn when we clear our debts. It is not not being depressed but learning how we can not be depressed. When we have these skills then we choose and it comes easier.

 

[big-picture]

This post came at a perfect time...for me at least. It can be difficult to not be to hard on ourselves and look at things objectively...doing what we can when we can and working on ourselves. Thank you for the reminder, I needed it :)