Defying Hitler - by Sebastian Haffner

Read this book last January. It's easily one of the most important books I've ever read. The parallels to the U.S. today are quite alarming. I agree with Chu - I find it hard to pick out quotes from this book because every page is just so profound.

I remember being particularly struck by his description of 'normalcy bias' and how accurately is describes people I interact with everyday, especially in the context of being machines according to Gurdjieff:

Strangely enough, it was just this automatic continuation of ordinary life that hindered any lively, forceful reaction against the horror. I have described how the treachery and cowardice of the leaders of the opposition prevented their organisation from being used against the Nazis or offering any resistance. That still leaves the question why no individuals ever spontaneously opposed some particular injustice or iniquity they experienced, even if they did not act against the whole. (I am not blind to the fact that this charge applies to me as much as to anyone else.)

It was hindered by the mechanical continuation of normal daily life. How different history would be if men were still independent, standing on their own two feet, as in ancient Athens. Today they are yoked to the details of their work and daily timetable, dependent on a thousand little details, cogs in a mechanism they do not control, running steadily on rails and helpless if they become derailed. Only the daily routine provides security and continuity. Just beyond lies a dark jungle. Every European of the twentieth century feels this in his bones and fears it. It is the cause of his reluctance to do anything that could ‘detail’ his life – something audacious or out of the ordinary. It is this lack of self-reliance that opens the possibility of immense catastrophes of civilization like the rule of the Nazis in Germany.
 
I've just finished reading the book for the first time and can only echo what was said before; a MUST read! If you happen to be able to read german I would strongly recommend that you read the most up to date original here, since it covers things that were left out in the english versions. And as usual, some things get lost in the translation that can hardly be transported into another language.

Haffner's ability to pierce through and focus on the underling psychological conditions that led and fueled the madness are just incredible (both on a personal and collective level). It is one of those books in which you will find more than just one "Aha!" moment. The book is of tremendous value IMO and shines a piercing clear light on questions like "how was it possible that pretty much a whole country was turned into NAZIS?" and even those who were opposed to all of it? It also makes pretty clear that the usual saying of germans in that generation, of saying "but we couldn't see what was happening" was basically a lie from the get go, that relied on willful ignorance on every corner.

Especially his description of the historical psychological context and the steps of how a pathological system was able to subvert, step by step, even the most opposed people, is utterly fascinating and insightful. What especially struck me here is his description of the nefariously clever way (in a demonic sense) the NAZIS went about indoctrinating basically the whole society, so that even those who thought they were against Hitler were actually trained to become NAZIS, while believing that they did the exact opposite, till the bitter and. Even though the book was never finished, it already provides so much data that I've never seen so brilliantly written out about the whole development of this phenomena. As the german version makes clear, he probably wrote the book in 1939, so quite a time before the worst even started. What also struck me is the devilish clever way the NAZIS used the human instinct of camaraderie/fellowship to turn people into NAZIS, step by step, eating away their souls and humanity. It is also clear that very early on in 1933 the agenda of the NAZIS was pretty clear to see.

It should also be remembered that Haffner's description at the end of how he himself got indoctrinated through this camaraderie manipulations wasn't just something the NAZIS did to the male population. They did the same things to woman ("National Socialist Women's League" for example) and children in things like the "League of German Girls" (for girls) and "Hitler Youth" (for boys). Basically the whole population, from man to woman to children, was deeply indoctrinated, chiefly through camaraderie manipulation. It basically amounts to what Jordan Peterson would probably call "Tribalism" enforced on every sector of society by Psychopaths. What struck me especially is the devilishly clever way the NAZIS went about programming non-violent anti NAZI future judges like himself into full armed and trained NAZI soldiers through "camaraderie", by carefully instilling in them the illusion that they fight against Hitler, while in fact they did the opposite. Basically; the best prisoners are those who don't realize they are in prison.

The description on how the chain of command changed after the first two weeks in the indoctrination camp, from full, stark and open NAZI types, into "benevolent military officials" who even encouraged making fun of Hitler and the NAZIS and furthered "open discourse against Hitler" is also very interesting. This very well thought through and planned psychological manipulation only really started/took root at that point, when they trusted the "good military commanders" who "replaced the bad ones" when the "good commanders" cleverly started to play on the humiliation feelings most if not all germans had distilled in them decades earlier through the lie of a lost war that was actually won. Without the lost first world war and all the illusions and lies that were instilled in innocent children back then, who for the most part saw the war as some sort of mechanically exiting sports play, in which germans had to win, the NAZIS would have had a much harder time. The NAZIS basically used the already pathologically infused psychological makeup that most germans were inflicted with before, during and after the first war, also by things like the hyperinflation and the "Revolution", to manipulate even anti NAZI germans to become NAZIS by playing on raw and unconscious emotions that were felt by those people in their childhoods back then. Taking it all together, it smells strongly like a "higher hand" was at play here, aka 4D STS, manipulating/programming a whole society over decades or even centuries.

Also, especially interesting is his description how the first thing that changed in those "camaraderie" camps was the language that they had to use. Instead of "Sie" people had to address echother with "du". For non germans; in german we normally use "Sie" instead of "du" when we talk to strangers and/or authority figures or elders which carries respect in it. This doesn't exist in many other languages. "Du" means "you" in english, while "Sie" has not really a counterpart in english. „Sie“ is a distanced way of addressing someone instead of "du", and we mostly us it when talking to strangers, authority figures, old people and respectable people in general. "Sie" also carries quite some meaning of respect toward the other person with it.

Not only that, the whole language got childish, simple minded and obscene, instead of rich in meaning, decency and thought. Interestingly, again we see a parallel to today, where globally language has been dumped down and obscenities have become the norm. By the way, today in germany, "Sie" is also used increasingly seldom, especially by the younger generations. Also, the behavior of grown up future judges quickly reverted back to childish behavior in those camps. We can see the same today as well.

I could go on and on, the book is so rich.
 
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This book it is a distant mirror, really. I read it 2 times, one in English, one in Spanish. I prefer the English version. There is also a difference on the title, curiously. In Spanish the title is "Historia de un alemán" that means The story of a German. As we can see the English title is more near of what the book is talking about. The title in Spanish is too neutral.

Your comment about the book is very insightful. Pashalis you should write an article about it!
 
There is also a difference on the title, curiously. In Spanish the title is "Historia de un alemán" that means The story of a German. As we can see the English title is more near of what the book is talking about. The title in Spanish is too neutral.

The title is almost identical in German "Geschichte eines Deutschen: Die Erinnerungen 1914-1933" which translates something like: A German's history, memories 1914-1933.

Your comment about the book is very insightful. Pashalis you should write an article about it!

I agree! I think that's a good idea!

If you happen to be able to read german I would strongly recommend that you read the most up to date original here, since it covers things that were left out in the english versions. And as usual, some things get lost in the translation that can hardly be transported into another language.

Would you say the language is difficult in the book. Pashalis? My German is not that fluent, but I would like to give it a go in German and I read 'Defying Hitler' a few years ago, so that will probably make things easier?

Taking it all together, it smells strongly like a "higher hand" was at play here, aka 4D STS, manipulating/programming a whole society over centuries at least.

If I am not mistaken the Cs said that Hitler had direct contact with 4STS? I was thinking about this yesterday, as I started reading The Psychopathic God - Adolf Hitler by Robert G.L. Waite, see the forum thread here. I think the latter book could even give us more insight into what happened to Germany with the rise of Hitler, but I am only 45 pages into the book, so these are just my two cents.
 
Would you say the language is difficult in the book. Pashalis? My German is not that fluent, but I would like to give it a go in German and I read 'Defying Hitler' a few years ago, so that will probably make things easier?

I wouldn‘t say the language in the book is overly difficult, just richer in meaning and nuance, that translations naturally can’t reach exactly. Plus it contains stuff that was left out and/or changed in the english version plus an investigation of his son and/or friends after his death into the history of the books creation/writing and what other chapters were probably planned etc. So if you want to refresh your german, this is certainly a very good way to do so!

If I am not mistaken the Cs said that Hitler had direct contact with 4STS? I was thinking about this yesterday, as I started reading The Psychopathic God - Adolf Hitler by Robert G.L. Waite, see the forum thread here. I think the latter book could even give us more insight into what happened to Germany with the rise of Hitler, but I am only 45 pages into the book, so these are just my two cents.

Yes the above is a very good book too that echoes a number of things that Haffner observed observed, especially the history leading to the third reich.
 
If I am not mistaken the Cs said that Hitler had direct contact with 4STS?

FWIW I looked back through the transcripts and found a few related quotes:


Q: (L) What influence was Adolf Hitler under when he undertook to do the things he did. Who was guiding him?

A: Lizards. Indirectly.


Q: (L) What connection did they use to influence him?

A: Projected beings of human type, inspired forms of great Aryan spirits.


A: This means encoding to activate after elevation to 4th density, thus if not eliminated, negates Nephalim domination and absorption. Jews were prior encoded to carry out mission after conversion, though on individual basis. The Nazis did not exactly know why they were being driven to destroy them, because they were being controlled from 4th density STS. But, Hitler communicated directly with Lizards, and Orion STS, and was instructed on how to create the "master race."


Q: (L) I have thought about my question from the last session and I want to ask it this way: You have said that Hitler received instructions from higher density beings about creating a 'Master Race.' Why were the Aryan genetic types seen to be more desirable for creation of this Germanic 'master race?'

A: Both similarity and ancestral link most unblemished from Orion 3rd and 4th density stock.
 
I must agree with others here,

I read this book a few years ago and it left a very strong impression in me. Beyond the great analysis by Pashalis, I think I found most valuable from the account the very personal level at which Haffner is able to convey the story, it makes it very relatable and it really shows the human impact of the "sudden" shift in humanity for the individual.

I think most people outside of Germany tend to see that time period as a quick event that had a before and after, but this wasn't so, the process had a growth of decades and it was all eroding at the psyche of society for a long time. It's very easy to conceptualize the idea of "the Nazi took over the entire nation" as a simple event, but what Haffner shows is the very real impact on personal relationships, the almost incomprehensible behavior of people who would've been dear friends otherwise, for instance.

And I think that this is something we're all able to relate today. I was certainly surprised by the extent that many people would defend the measures taken to respond to the supposed threat of the virus and how their humanity was sacrificed in the name of obedience, fear and security. I was shocked to see the lack of resistance, the eagerness for the adoption of certain measures and the desire in some to defend it. And like with Haffner, it is also clear to me now that this is not something that simply happened out of the blue. This is a process that has been undergoing for quite a long time and it's just now ripe for exactly what we're seeing today.
 
SOTT ran a couple of articles on the subject of this book.

The first is just a short review:


Then a more comprehensive 2015 article about the book also mentioning ponerology, 911 and later events.


I think another article with current events in mind and incorporating Pashalis' review would be great timing.
 
I wouldn‘t say the language in the book is overly difficult, just richer in meaning and nuance, that translations naturally can’t reach exactly. Plus it contains stuff that was left out and/or changed in the english version plus an investigation of his son and/or friends after his death into the history of the books creation/writing and what other chapters were probably planned etc. So if you want to refresh your german, this is certainly a very good way to do so!



Yes the above is a very good book too that echoes a number of things that Haffner observed observed, especially the history leading to the third reich.
I Will buy as soon as I can the French version. I just saw that this French version has new 5 chapters found in 2002. A good reason to read the book again! Thanks Pashalis to retake this thread. Reading Haffner we feel in connection with him, he wrote also the book to advice us of what was happening and unfortunately nobody was ready to listen to him.

I have sometimes the sensation that time is permeable, we can go, thanks to some books, to the past (or the future) and have insights, more information that will help us to deal with our emotions or our reality.
 
SOTT ran a couple of articles on the subject of this book.

The first is just a short review:


Then a more comprehensive 2015 article about the book also mentioning ponerology, 911 and later events.


I think another article with current events in mind and incorporating Pashalis' review would be great timing.

I totally agree.

As Alejo noted:

And I think that this is something we're all able to relate today. I was certainly surprised by the extent that many people would defend the measures taken to respond to the supposed threat of the virus and how their humanity was sacrificed in the name of obedience, fear and security. I was shocked to see the lack of resistance, the eagerness for the adoption of certain measures and the desire in some to defend it. And like with Haffner, it is also clear to me now that this is not something that simply happened out of the blue. This is a process that has been undergoing for quite a long time and it's just now ripe for exactly what we're seeing today.

The years long process building up to the acceptance of Hitler and all he represented is well depicted in Waite's book, "The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler." Reading that very much helped me to understand the social conditions of the time that enabled Hitler.

Another of the top books about Hitler, IMO, is Schramm's "Hitler: The Man and the Military Leader".
 
I wouldn‘t say the language in the book is overly difficult, just richer in meaning and nuance, that translations naturally can’t reach exactly. Plus it contains stuff that was left out and/or changed in the english version plus an investigation of his son and/or friends after his death into the history of the books creation/writing and what other chapters were probably planned etc. So if you want to refresh your german, this is certainly a very good way to do so!

I agree, the language isn't that difficult, but at times it is a bit "old-school", using sentence structures that are not so common anymore in today's German. In any event, it's very beautiful!

I can echo what Pashalis said, it's an excellent and insightful book. It's also the kind of history book that Collingwood would approve I think: the sharp observations of a smart guy, as he personally experienced history in his own life.

Realized that I must have an older edition without the additional chapters, will buy the new one!
 
I agree, the language isn't that difficult, but at times it is a bit "old-school", using sentence structures that are not so common anymore in today's German. In any event, it's very beautiful!
Thank You for the advertisement! I have been meaning to brush up on my 'WW2 High German' and as all alchemists I love everything old and ancient, so this is going to be a must read for me! :D
Geschichte eines Deutschen: Die Erinnerungen 1914 - 1933 (Deutsch) Taschenbuch – 1. Juni 2002
 
A few days ago there was an article in The Times of Israel
In ‘The SS Officer’s Armchair,’ British-Jewish historian Daniel Lee retraces history of obscure lower-level Third Reich functionary, showing role he played in destroying lives
By RENEE GHERT-ZAND 26 June 2020, 4:44 pm3
It turns out the officer was a lawyer and born in the same decade as Sebastian Haffner. Below are a few excerpts, but having read it I would we say the review could have been enriched by bringing in some perspectives from Defying Hitler. That however might be outside the scope of the reviewer, or the policies of the Times of Israel. If nothing else the story of the article indicates what Sebastian Haffner managed to escape.

The a-typical, typical Nazi
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Robert Griesinger (center) holding his daughter Jutta while visiting his parents, c. 1939 (Courtesy of Barbara and Fritz Schlegel)
By combing through archives, conducting interviews, and following Griesinger’s physical trail through a number of European countries, Lee artfully recreates the life of this German who was shaped by his upbringing in southwest Germany in a nationalist, military family. Griesinger was a member of the War Youth Generation, Germans born between 1900 and 1910 who were far too young to fight in World War I, but who were devastated by their country’s loss in the conflict. Fearful of communist influences and lacking confidence in the Weimar Republic, they were ripe for Nazism.

A major surprise for Lee was that Griesinger did not have German roots on the paternal side of his family.

“I thought I was going to write a jolly nice story about a ‘typical’ Nazi whose grandparents worked the land and were part of this historic German community. And then lo and behold, I discovered in the archives that his father was born in New Orleans. I started tracing back his family tree and discovered that it goes all the way back to the 1720s in Louisiana,” Lee said.

The historian could not ignore this finding. Exploring it further, he looked at how Griesinger’s family’s history as slave owners could have affected his own way of thinking of race and relationships with minorities generations later.
[...]
Perhaps the most jarring part of the project for Lee was discovering that Griesinger, who served in the Wehrmacht in Ukraine in 1941, passed through the town from which the Jewish Lee’s family originated (the author’s family’s surname was originally Lieberman).

“That is when I sat up and said, ‘Oh my God, this is much closer to home that I could have imagined,'” Lee said.

Griesinger may not have personally served in one of the Nazi killing squads that wiped out parts of the Jewish population in the area, but Lee proves that he and others in his regiment were aware of what was taking place.
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At the end:
Lee even researches the life of the family’s maid at the Griesingers’ Prague home in an effort to determine what role she might have played in concealing the SS officer’s documents.

Robert Griesinger is long dead and there are still hidden aspects to his story. However, Lee has demonstrated that what this Nazi bureaucrat did in the 1930s and 1940s still reverberates today for his descendants, and for the families of untold numbers of Jews and others affected by the decisions he made serving the Third Reich.
 
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