According to the video comments, in China, due to the corruption, people can even go back to definitely kill the person they knocked over to paid only once instead of paying a pension.
Dehumanized society build by the psychos.
Dehumanized world: Nobody care about a scooter knocked over
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According to the video comments, in China, due to the corruption, people can even go back to definitely kill the person they knocked over to paid only once instead of paying a pension.
Dehumanized society build by the psychos.
luke wilson
The Living Force
Is the video real? That's more than a dehumanized world.... that's a world without soul. Is it real? After the person gets hit and knocked down, everyone acts like he isn't there, like he literally isn't there... is it real?
Solie123
Jedi Council Member
Sadly this isn't the first time I've seen something like this in regards to China... :(
I'm reluctant to post this video because it is just sooo heart wrenching!!! So I guess, people watch with your discrepancy :(
I remember asking someone how could this happen? Their response was, these aren't isolated incidents in China, because of the over abundance in the population, it seems people just lose empathy.
This reminds me of a lot of the the Calhoun experiment which is mentioned in this: Thread
Stefan Verstappen also speaks about it in his Stolen Paradise series: Paradise Stolen - Episode 3 -The Myth of Overpopulation
Not that I'm sure this is what's happening, but I think it's something to consider...
I'm reluctant to post this video because it is just sooo heart wrenching!!! So I guess, people watch with your discrepancy :(
I remember asking someone how could this happen? Their response was, these aren't isolated incidents in China, because of the over abundance in the population, it seems people just lose empathy.
This reminds me of a lot of the the Calhoun experiment which is mentioned in this: Thread
Stefan Verstappen also speaks about it in his Stolen Paradise series: Paradise Stolen - Episode 3 -The Myth of Overpopulation
Not that I'm sure this is what's happening, but I think it's something to consider...
That's just horrible! And in fact, it's not just China. I have a friend who is a lawyer in Mexico and he told me a similar story of an acquaintance of his. He was also driving a scooter and a passenger mini-bus (public transport but a privately owned type) ran him over, and then drove back to hit him again to try to make sure he was dead! Apparently many of those mini-bus drivers will try to do that because having to pay for the health expenses of a living person is more expensive than paying for a dead one! Unbelievable. The guy on the scooter did survive, but after many years is still dealing with the sequels.
Solie123
Jedi Council Member
Windmill knight said:
That's just horrible... When a matter of an accident involving another human being turns into 'what's the cheapest way to deal with this,' and not a concern about the life you have in your hands!!!!
P.S. I actually feel really horrible that I posted the video of the 2 year old girl... I actually think it might be better to take it down. I think it might have been inconsiderate from my part to post it. I personally can't bare to watch it, and I don't expect anyone else to... It's extremely traumatizing and it might be better to remove it... :(
Carl said:
Unfortunately it seems real and this is reality. You can see at the beginning of the accident people look to the guy, but do nothing. It is horrible. I felt extremely sad when I saw the video the other day.
I remember some words that I read many years ago by Camus when he went to Brazil and saw a man dying on the street and nobody doing nothing at all to help him. In fact the man was on the street, like a corpse and people was walking around him as nothing. When I read these words I was young and felt scandalized. I didn't want to believe Camus. I said to myself: he is exaggerating. That can not be possible! I don't want to live in a planet where people are like this!
We know more now how people can be zombies, without conscience, empathy, love, totally indifferent to the others, seeing the others like less than dogs.
Solie, don't feel guilty. For my part your video (that I saw some months ago in Facebook,) is a complement of this terrible subject. This is my point of vue but maybe the moderators think differently.
luke wilson
The Living Force
loreta said:
There is the bystander effect but still, this situation is so beyond comprehension I don't think it true in this case.
The question I ask myself, if this is some form of video trickery or even a hologram or whatever how would I know? The Cs and other material have made mention to dramas that will be played out in a 3D way but is nothing but projection and illusion not amounting to anything real other than what you choose to believe from what you are seeing.
I personally have my own doubt as to the video. It's not normal. It's one thing when someone is lying down sick on a street and everyone walks by without checking on them, it's another for someone to be hit by a car, at a busy intersection, get thrown across the road.... and everyone to act like that didn't happen!
Being rational, yes, it's on video... maybe the video is true... no other sources to confirm.... but there is a chance it could be fake... how would you know? It would be somewhat irrational to fall on either side of the coin without validation.
There is a risk of confirmation bias: ppl are empty shells. But again, it can be a wide brush which isn't true.
There is a risk of denial to reality: the video lies because one wants to believe that at least 1 person would respond or even walk across to see out of curiosity.
Risks on either side thus the need for further validation.
The first video is bad, but the second one is just torture..
The cars and bikers going along the road where the person is laying are all very clearly taking precautions to avoid something. I think the lack of empathic action by the bystanders really just come down to the bystander effect, as unpleasant a thought as that may be.
luke wilson said:
The cars and bikers going along the road where the person is laying are all very clearly taking precautions to avoid something. I think the lack of empathic action by the bystanders really just come down to the bystander effect, as unpleasant a thought as that may be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect said:
I would think it is a true video. Eventually someone would have stopped to help, though this is not shown in the video.
Here is a similar video of a car hitting 4 scooters. About 8 scooters and some other vehicles drive by without helping, until finally at 34 seconds in a good Samaritan stops his scooter to help the fallen riders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-eFcuwdw7Y ". . . car and scooters accident hit and run . . ."
There are also some follow-up stories on the disturbing case of the 2 year old girl who was run over, and who later died in a hospital, e.g. this video from CNN, which talks to the woman who moved the child from the middle of the street, and the girl's mother:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4o2G6KB4Q "China Double Hit-and-Run Outrage"
I have heard of places where drivers who stop after an accident risk being attacked by an angry mob. But these reports of drivers who deliberately cause more harm or death by running over people a second or repeated time to save money and trouble for themselves show a terrible lack of empathy towards others in their society.
Here is a similar video of a car hitting 4 scooters. About 8 scooters and some other vehicles drive by without helping, until finally at 34 seconds in a good Samaritan stops his scooter to help the fallen riders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-eFcuwdw7Y ". . . car and scooters accident hit and run . . ."
There are also some follow-up stories on the disturbing case of the 2 year old girl who was run over, and who later died in a hospital, e.g. this video from CNN, which talks to the woman who moved the child from the middle of the street, and the girl's mother:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4o2G6KB4Q "China Double Hit-and-Run Outrage"
I have heard of places where drivers who stop after an accident risk being attacked by an angry mob. But these reports of drivers who deliberately cause more harm or death by running over people a second or repeated time to save money and trouble for themselves show a terrible lack of empathy towards others in their society.
Cleo said:
Hard to watch this until the end (though I was expecting that someone would help him or her before the end of the clip) and it looks like a crossroad of a city (world) of automatons, soulless beings indeed. Even the cyclists who pass so close by the victim don't seem to notice someone there, omg.
I think it is very believable. I considered moving to China as an adventure several years ago, however the pollution scared me off. When one is used to fresh air and unadulterated water out of one's artesian well, moving to one of China's grey megacities seemed a dim prospect. At any rate, this article seems to bring out the concepts of reputation and social connections, or mianzi and guanxi, as the Chinese put it.
Basically how it works is that one's entire social identity in China is determined by the status of the people you know on favorable terms (guanxi) and your personal stature or level of "face" within that network(mianzi). If you have bad guanxi or low mianzi even with good guanxi, you essentially cease to exist in Chinese society and become an Untouchable. It's more complicated than that, it appears to be a highly nuanced system that is not fully understood by non-Chinese. I think we have some Chinese members here who could expand on this if they wanted to, but I have some general analysis about the situation here.
_http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/mianzi-guanxi-china.htm
_http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/social-etiquette-customs-china.htm
I think what we're looking at here is the dark side of collectivism. China is highly collectivist, so collectivist that anyone outside of one's collective is seen as essentially a non-entity. This is not so much different than hyper individualism, where anyone who doesn't personally benefit you is essentially a non-entity; the difference is that the Chinese model emphasizes sacrifice for others, but only for people you know that have high social standing for whatever reason. In an individualist culture you can still function to some degree without "guanxi," though life is certainly more difficult, because rebelliousness is encouraged within certain limits. In China this is a major faux pas, because all must be subsumed to the idea of the collective's "social harmony," which basically means unquestioningly accepting the authority of those with high mianzi and guanzi, within certain limits. I see China as kind of the yin to the US' yang; they are both unbalanced in their own directions. Due to China's large population and cultural history of Confucianism, they've adopted a sort of "ant colony" model of society, whereas the US model is more "King of the Hill." The ant colony model is much more stable (the country probably couldn't hold itself together if it wholly adopted the US model) because it assures everyone a place, at least in theory, but at the expense of sacrificing nearly all of one's individuality. Both can be used by the PTB to control their human slaves, the individualist model is just more conducive to allowing them to procure massive amounts of wealth and power to themselves at any cost. The Chinese model has to offer at least some veneer that it is for the good of all or the system of obedience collapses. I would personally rather deal with hyper individualism, even though it is actually a subtly enforced "ant colony" model through the US elite's propaganda apparatus, for now the veneer has to be maintained that society does offer some individual choice, which gives one a bit more freedom to move around. In reality both systems are likely equally flawed, but the flaws are different. You can't have a society that is dedicated to collectivism at all costs and a society that is dedicated to individualism at all costs without having problems. A mechanism has to be provided which allows one to choose which elements of which system are applicable in certain contexts; law of three.
So getting back to "shocking events" the people getting run over didn't have much guanxi, otherwise they would be driving a nice car instead of a scooter and possibly have an escort. They weren't important enough for anyone to know who they were(mianzi), otherwise more people would care. Therefore, they are simply irrelevant.
The guanxi/mianzi system probably originated as something similar to the "Community points" system discussed in the post imperialism thread, but human relationships only scale up to a certain point it seems. If a million, 10 million, or even 100 million people if their guanxi is poor, disappear in China, no one will notice. A few ants died, the system will go on. The larger the population is relative to where you come from, the more noticeable it becomes, and that goes for any country, not just China. It really makes me think about the ideal size of human societies on the local, national, and planetary levels.
For these reasons, I have not been very excited about China standing up to the empire of chaos. While their system certainly has less war and senseless destruction than the American one, it is really just trading one form of slavery for another. Only Russia appears to have retained a certain cultural, philosophical, and intellectual capital which makes their society under Putin appear relatively evolved and offering of an actual choice in comparison to the American system. One eagle looks East and the other looks West, and perhaps he knows how to balance both of them.
Basically how it works is that one's entire social identity in China is determined by the status of the people you know on favorable terms (guanxi) and your personal stature or level of "face" within that network(mianzi). If you have bad guanxi or low mianzi even with good guanxi, you essentially cease to exist in Chinese society and become an Untouchable. It's more complicated than that, it appears to be a highly nuanced system that is not fully understood by non-Chinese. I think we have some Chinese members here who could expand on this if they wanted to, but I have some general analysis about the situation here.
_http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/mianzi-guanxi-china.htm
_http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/social-etiquette-customs-china.htm
I think what we're looking at here is the dark side of collectivism. China is highly collectivist, so collectivist that anyone outside of one's collective is seen as essentially a non-entity. This is not so much different than hyper individualism, where anyone who doesn't personally benefit you is essentially a non-entity; the difference is that the Chinese model emphasizes sacrifice for others, but only for people you know that have high social standing for whatever reason. In an individualist culture you can still function to some degree without "guanxi," though life is certainly more difficult, because rebelliousness is encouraged within certain limits. In China this is a major faux pas, because all must be subsumed to the idea of the collective's "social harmony," which basically means unquestioningly accepting the authority of those with high mianzi and guanzi, within certain limits. I see China as kind of the yin to the US' yang; they are both unbalanced in their own directions. Due to China's large population and cultural history of Confucianism, they've adopted a sort of "ant colony" model of society, whereas the US model is more "King of the Hill." The ant colony model is much more stable (the country probably couldn't hold itself together if it wholly adopted the US model) because it assures everyone a place, at least in theory, but at the expense of sacrificing nearly all of one's individuality. Both can be used by the PTB to control their human slaves, the individualist model is just more conducive to allowing them to procure massive amounts of wealth and power to themselves at any cost. The Chinese model has to offer at least some veneer that it is for the good of all or the system of obedience collapses. I would personally rather deal with hyper individualism, even though it is actually a subtly enforced "ant colony" model through the US elite's propaganda apparatus, for now the veneer has to be maintained that society does offer some individual choice, which gives one a bit more freedom to move around. In reality both systems are likely equally flawed, but the flaws are different. You can't have a society that is dedicated to collectivism at all costs and a society that is dedicated to individualism at all costs without having problems. A mechanism has to be provided which allows one to choose which elements of which system are applicable in certain contexts; law of three.
So getting back to "shocking events" the people getting run over didn't have much guanxi, otherwise they would be driving a nice car instead of a scooter and possibly have an escort. They weren't important enough for anyone to know who they were(mianzi), otherwise more people would care. Therefore, they are simply irrelevant.
The guanxi/mianzi system probably originated as something similar to the "Community points" system discussed in the post imperialism thread, but human relationships only scale up to a certain point it seems. If a million, 10 million, or even 100 million people if their guanxi is poor, disappear in China, no one will notice. A few ants died, the system will go on. The larger the population is relative to where you come from, the more noticeable it becomes, and that goes for any country, not just China. It really makes me think about the ideal size of human societies on the local, national, and planetary levels.
For these reasons, I have not been very excited about China standing up to the empire of chaos. While their system certainly has less war and senseless destruction than the American one, it is really just trading one form of slavery for another. Only Russia appears to have retained a certain cultural, philosophical, and intellectual capital which makes their society under Putin appear relatively evolved and offering of an actual choice in comparison to the American system. One eagle looks East and the other looks West, and perhaps he knows how to balance both of them.
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