Dental work -implants

Thanks for posting this, and for the replies of others. I'm very interested to see what you decide.
I too have issues, compacting wisdom teeth in my teens left many of my other teeth fractured and as a result 4 have had to be removed, two at the front. The left side of my mouth has only two molars at the top and one of them isn't very healthy because of surrounding bone loss, bridging there won't be an option, implant will be complicated also because of bone loss. I'm looking at partial denture because my teeth are moving and my bite changing. I'm considering having my right lateral incisor removed (it's a root canal with post and crown) to hold the denture in place, but because it's at the front and I'm a bit gummy when I smile I'm concerned about aesthetics when the root it's removed. Trivial, but in all honesty I'm not over that yet.

My mum has 3 implants at the top with fixed bridge, her gums are a real mess from the procedure which was pretty gruelling, but she can bite food and has had no problems with the implants. Very very expensive though.

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Bluefyre said:
FWIW herondancer, I have a friend who has implants and regrets it, they've never felt right in her mouth. I have side-by-side bridges in my upper right quadrant, one over two teeth, the first for many years, the second a year ago after chronic years of pain and infection. Bridges are amazing and although it is upsetting to have good teeth partially destroyed it seems like a better alternative to implants.

Redrock, I used to use baking soda and found out how abrasive it is. I now use Earth Paste with extra xylitol. Also taking minerals and vitamin K in organ meats like liver pate really are helping me. My front teeth were translucent and now I can see them turning back to white from the roots up with remineralization. It's a long process.

Laura, thanks for the arginine info as I was told I have some bone loss at my last cleaning in April, so I will add that to my list of supplements.
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Thanks for the info Blufyre. I was actually wondering if baking soda was too abrasive, so I guess you've answered my question. Definitely going to try earth paste with xylitol.
I'm 70y/o but don't seem to be experiencing bone loss, and I think it's probably due to the 10000IUs vitamin D capsulesI've been taking daily for about the past ten years.
 
My spouse has had multiple implants over the years, and there's been no problems. It's been years since the last implant. For bridges, I don't like the idea of grinding away healthy teeth. For leaving a gap, I think the problems of shifting teeth are significant.

So I think if you do remove the tooth and you are healthy enough to get an implant, then I would suggest choosing the implant option at that time. I think if you do remove the tooth and the underlying problem has not been stopped, then I would suggest a temporary gap filler that doesn't involve grinding away teeth, to buy time until the problem is solved. But if there was some way to save and restore the tooth to health, then that's best. In addition to suggestions by others, if you are taking iodine regularly, maybe you could try swishing liquid lugol's for a couple seconds where the tooth is before drinking it.
 
Hi Herondancer,

I would vote for an implant and I agree with you:

herondancer said:
Implantation - Though at first glance, this seems to be the best option as it solves all the problems mentioned. BUT, it is an expensive, major procedure, as in my case, there would need to be some preliminary surgery to build up enough bone to seat the implant. It would on a nine month schedule, with two four-month breaks, first for the bone graft to take, then for the titanium post to seat securely before the actual crown is put in.
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This option may cost you a lot of time, patience and money, but in the end it may also save you the neighbouring teeth from damage, plus it may prevent your bone tissues from atrophy and your other teeth from moving in the wrong direction.

Today I've also visited my implant surgeon. In my case, he says that I don't need to grow bone tissues, but it will also take at least two month to have the new tooth fully implanted. Because of this, I will have to wait at least two extra month before removing my orthodontic braces, but I agree to wait because of all those benefits mentioned above.

Anyway, I wish you lots of luck with whatever you choose. :hug2:
 
Thank you everyone for your input.

I noticed that I mis-typed my clarification, leaving out the crucial word 'no'. I have no bone loss or gum disease in the area. Nothing showed up on the fancy 3-D xray (very cool) nor was anything mentioned by either dentist involved. Still, it was an interest typo, and I will be keeping an eye on the area for such problems.

After considering everything, I've decided to go for the implant. I'm in good health, and with all the information here on building and preserving bone, the graft should go okay. It's not to make up for bone loss, but augment the natural amount of bone I have in the area. Then the post goes in three to four months later, and the final crown three to four months after that.

The dentist who will do the work has been doing implantations for decades, as well researching and teaching the procedure. You can see some of his work here. He is a cautious, conservative sort of guy who I think will do a good job.

I'll keep everyone posted as it goes along.
 
Hi all,

Here's an update on the tooth situation. I went for the extraction and possible sinus lift yesterday. It went extraordinarily well!

For starters, the doc took one more super-detailed panoramic xray (better machine than the other one), and came to the conclusion that I might not need the sinus lift after all. When he checked after the tooth was out, it was confirmed. There was plenty of bone already in place. So one less procedure, and as I'd already paid for it, the funds will be applied forward to the next part of the process.

I also ended up going with local anaesthesia, even though I'm a bit chicken about major dental procedures. Pipe breathing and a LOT of numbing, and I didn't even feel the tooth come out. I'd also spent some time the day before "talking" to the tooth, thanking it for it's years of service, and to the maxilla asking that it let the tooth go without any fuss. Silly maybe, but I didn't think it could hurt. The best part of this was that I'd also paid for the unused IV anaesthesia, so those funds go forward too.

This guy doesn't mess around with pain relief. He gave me a prescription for some serious painkillers (Percoset), but the numbing was good for several hours. Then I took two Aleve about four hours after the procedure, and one last night before bed. That's been it. I'd made up a 2:1 solution of DMSO and 12% iodine, and was swishing five drops in water, a couple of times a day. No swelling, no pain. Magic stuff! I never even opened the prescription.

The next part is to get lots of good nutrition so the bone graft takes. Molars have three roots, while the anchoring post is like the single root of a front tooth. Those three depressions have to be filled in, so the anchor has a secure place. Kind of like spackling a nail hole in a wall before putting in a new nail. So lots of visualization of the old bone making friends with the new bone (the graft) and becoming one big happy solid family. The graft takes about three months to seat, which puts the next part of the procedure around end of March.

I'l let you know how it goes.
 
Glad to hear all is going well with the dental procedure, herondancer! I know a lot of people are afraid of the dentist, but it really isn't so bad. Worse part is just laying there with your mouth open for a long while.

I've had to refuse anaesthesia a couple of times, cause they seem to give it routinely, even if not needed. The last time they wanted to stick me with it, just to install a new crown. I asked how I could check the bite if I'm numb!?! :rolleyes:

That is a powerful pain killer they Rx'd!! Overkill, I'd say. But good to add to the medicine chest, just in case someone really needs it in the future.
 
If you want to avoid painkillers you can use Clove tincture, here it is available in pharmacies, not sure about US. You just rub it on your gums and it takes away the pain for several hours.
 
I have decided to try for an implant too. Seems quite frivolous an expenditure with a child going to college next year, but nothing else has been satisfactory. I was told (by a dental student) that it is quite common for people to try barter for these, and sometimes the offer is accepted.
 
Good luck then Yupo. Make sure the dentist has had lots of experience. If they give you grief about doing internet research, keep looking. That was one thing that impressed me about this doc. He was happy that I was an educated patient.
 
Thanks for the advice about Earthpaste Blufyre. I'm on my second tube, and it seems to do a good job of cleaning. As well, since I've stopped using baking soda, I don't have further problems with tooth decay. And it seems, maybe it's wishful thinking, that where the enamel has worn through, it seems to be resealing. But I'll just wait and see.
Hope you and all the other members of WC meetup had a pleasant and joyful solstice holiday. Mine was quiet, so I used the quietness to dive into Mouravieff's Gnosis books and both books of the Cassiopaea Transcripts. I actually found a book dealer into little old Moose Jaw who found a supplier for those publications without going through Amazon. I don't have a credit card, so these people are a real godsend. Maybe it's the crystals working.
 
I had a checkup a couple of weeks ago to see how the extraction is healing. Apparently it was going well enough that he took one of the stitches out right then, and the other has since dissolved. The iodine/DMSO swish has been so effective, I never bothered taking the antibiotics. Didn't mention that . . . . :whistle:

Happy New Year, and congrats RedRock12 on finding a good book resource. Indy stores are the best!
 
I think I am about to lose the same tooth on the other side. Filling gone bad, horrendous pain. From my reading, it appears to be safer and far less expensive just to have the problem tooth removed. I'll know something tomorrow. Have not seen the oral surgeon about a barter yet. If he is not open to trade, It will likely be 4 years before I can do much about my smile (while educating that youngster).
I think my gums and bone are OK. Dental issues seem to stem from decay while wearing an experimental orthodontia system for 4 months in 1970. 2 years of work done in 4 months, they said. Anyway, all those fillings need replacement from time to time. I got composites in 1980s for cosmetic reasons. Let someone talk me into amalgams again for durability.
 
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