Deranged and degenerate "artists"

Joe: This comment in the article I found disturbing, Why???

“What is making this artwork so special is the total commitment of the artist,” the jury said in a statement.

“Exposing her body to hormone roller-coasters of false pregnancy and organizing the lab infrastructure to execute the complicated biotech protocol in order to create a poetic masterpiece evoking the challenges of posthumanistic dilemma.

"K-9_topology is a true hybrid artwork with a profound bio-political message and is certain to bring a lot of discussion to the audience from both the art and science sides”.
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Because it shows clearly how clueless the Engineers are to the COOL EFFECTS...

Completely disregarding the moral and ethical implications...
 
Please hand me over the bucket.

“What is making this artwork so special is the total commitment of the artist,” the jury said in a statement.
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Commitment to get diagnosed deranged would be more in order. Instead, let's give her a prize.
 
What is the "profound bio-political" message???
What is a poetic masterpiece evoking the posthumanistic dilemma ?

I just don't get it ! Maybe it's because I am not an artist. fwiw..
 
maxtree said:
What is the "profound bio-political" message???
What is a poetic masterpiece evoking the posthumanistic dilemma ?

I just don't get it ! Maybe it's because I am not an artist. fwiw..
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Can't blame you - this "art" is not understandable, because it's ugly, destructive non-art. However, if you want to know where these people are coming from, you may be interested in the postmodernism thread. Basically, they think that there is no such thing as truth - it's all subjective. Therefore there is no objective beauty in any sense, there is no yardstick to measure anything. Except power: Postmodernists believe the only real thing is power/dominance of one group over another, and everything - including art - is an expression of such power structures/power games.

So, because they also fight against the "establishment" and for the "oppressed" (because they think this is what artists should do), by attacking real, beautiful art with their ugly, destructive art, they think they are fighting against the evil oppressors, because what we see as beautiful art is just a tool by the patriarchy to oppress us. Remember, there is no truth, no objectivity, no beauty - only power games. See?

Hence the "bio-political" message: because there is no such thing as truth, including biological truth such as differences between men and women, it's all "bio-political", i.e power games! So the "artist" sends a "bio-political" message against the "bio-political" oppression by the patriarchy that claims there are biological facts such as the differences between men and women. Hence this breastfeeding nonsense: the "artist" shows the "patriarchy" that breast feeding is just an artificial tool for oppression, as is motherhood. You see, if there is no truth, then anything goes, and to breastfeed and breed with a dog shows that anything goes and that the claim that women naturally are mothers and have children is unjustified.

As for the "posthumanistic dilemma": I guess what the "art critics" perceive here is one of the many contradictions of postmodernist ideology - their ideology dictates them that they need to embrace bio-technology because it can change the non-existent biological facts by turning men into women, in vitro fertilization etc. (another contradiction), yet they may be instinctively disgusted by such things.

In fact, postmodernism is so full of contradictions that it will lead to all kinds of dilemmas. For example, many postmodernists are very hostile towards technology, because, you guessed it, it's a tool for oppression. At the same time, they must embrace Frankenstein technology because it "liberates women" or other "minorities". I think it's this kind of cognitive dissonance that is meant by "posthumanist dilemma". More like postmodern dilemma I'd say!

At least, that's my meta-interpretation of the meta-postmodern-posthumanist art movement :lol:
 
maxtree said:
What is the "profound bio-political" message???
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Well, in order to understand, you'd have to be:

a. Insane
b. Pathological
c. Both

Well, at least now we know how bad things get at the, "just before society falls apart" stage. Except it's not over yet. :shock:
 
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In fact, postmodernism is so full of contradictions that it will lead to all kinds of dilemmas. For example, many postmodernists are very hostile towards technology, because, you guessed it, it's a tool for oppression.[/quote]

Yeah, that's what they say, but they're obviously not trustworthy people since everything is so 'subjective' to them. They'd be the first to embrace technology when THEY are the oppressors.
 
maxtree said:
What is the "profound bio-political" message???
What is a poetic masterpiece evoking the posthumanistic dilemma ?

I just don't get it ! Maybe it's because I am not an artist. fwiw..
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It seems to be a merging of some 70's ideas of animal awareness.
many of which had valid points'
Factory farming and the abuse of animals for cosmetic experimentation for example,
Unfortunately , they have manged to obliterate any legitimacy by tying them into the more recent trend towards Trans-Humanism.

Many ideas from the 70's that had some purpose have been co-opted in this way i find.
 
Thanks for the clarification Luc I wil read the thread . Thanks Scottie for expressing my initial thoughts when I read the article.
The Modern Art-people use a lot of these difficult/intellectual words which to my ears sound empty.
 
Thinking about it, maybe we should keep in mind that the term "degenerate art" is a Nazi expression and was used to prohibit certain modern artistic styles. It was a giant roll-back to more conservative and ideologically compatible art forms under Hitler:

wikipedia said:
Degenerate art (German: Entartete Kunst) was a term adopted by the Nazi regime in Germany to describe Modern art. Such art was banned on the grounds that it was un-German, Jewish, or Communist in nature, and those identified as degenerate artists were subjected to sanctions. These included being dismissed from teaching positions, being forbidden to exhibit or to sell their art, and in some cases being forbidden to produce art.

Degenerate Art also was the title of an exhibition, held by the Nazis in Munich in 1937, consisting of modernist artworks chaotically hung and accompanied by text labels deriding the art. Designed to inflame public opinion against modernism, the exhibition subsequently traveled to several other cities in Germany and Austria.

While modern styles of art were prohibited, the Nazis promoted paintings and sculptures that were traditional in manner and that exalted the "blood and soil" values of racial purity, militarism, and obedience. Similar restrictions were placed upon music, which was expected to be tonal and free of any jazz influences; disapproved music was termed degenerate music. Films and plays were also censored.[1]
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This cannot be an argument in defense of the disgusting things that pass as "art" nowadays. But it is a bit concerning in that if a new right-wing/conservative leader emerges, he could capitalize on peoples' justified moral outrage about the so-called modern art scene. I mean, these "artists" are literally parasites: they live the high life on public funds (our taxes) to poison society with their postmodernist ideology and evil "art". So what if someone comes along who promises to "stamp them out"? And maybe take out "evil Muslims" and "globalist Jews" too if he's at it?

So maybe we should follow Lobaczewski's advice and restrain our moral outrage in favor of a more clinical approach:

Political Ponerology said:
Maintaining the attitude of a naturalist, while attempting to track the nature of macrosocial phenomenon in spite of all adversity, insures a certain intellectual distance and better psychological hygiene in the face of horrors that might otherwise be difficult to contemplate. Such an attitude also slightly increases the feeling of safety and furnishes an insight that this very method may help find a certain creative solution. This requires strict control of the natural, moralizing reflexes of revulsion, and other painful emotions that the phenomenon provokes in any normal person when it deprives him of his joy of life and personal safety, ruining his own future and that of his nation. Scientific curiosity therefore becomes a loyal ally during such times.
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In other words, when dealing with such outrageous things as the two "artworks" Joe posted, we shouldn't just be morally disgusted; this isn't enough. We need to figure out precisely what kinds of pathologies are at work here, what ideologies compel people to create or consume or defend these forms of "art", the role of postmodernism, greed, materialism, relativism etc. and how this all works together. Trying to see the big picture, the energies behind these things. Then maybe, instead of just being disgusted and "throw tomatoes" at those people, we can fight back properly on the only level that makes sense: the level of thought and discussion. If people finally start seeing where these degenerate forms of art come from ideologically and how this relates to society, science, psychopathology, spirituality etc., then there's hope to counteract the evilness of so-called "modern art". Fwiw
 
Interesting thoughts luc.

Interesting quote from Lobaczewski, where he basically is saying to take a step back from this stuff, and not get caught in the negative energy surrounding it.

I guess it is kind of like, people need to be confronted by these sorts of things, so they can make choices. Get off the fence, as it were.

And it also seems that we will be confronted more and more with escalating depravity. And that seems to be part of the plan. There needs to be a separation of the wheat and chaff. A path must be chosen it seems.

It is hard to accept these kind of things, but they do give us good opportunities to have dialogues with people about all this craziness. IMO.
 
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