Derren Brown

Masamune

Jedi Council Member
Derren Brown supposedly predicts correctly six lottery numbers using the "wisdom of crowds." The basis for his procedure is an observation of a scientist from 1906 that determined that as groups we make far better decisions than experts on their own ever do (explained more in video.) Derren gets a group of people to look at a list of previous lottery numbers and asks them to use automatic writing to determine the next six numbers. Can this really work? What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4jlf849yUE&feature=related
 
Well, if you search for Derren Brown, you'll find a whole host people trying to explain how he did it. Here is one and another one here. All in all a very good illusionist. Also keeps people looking elsewhere and away from where the PTB don't want you to look, OSIT. Bread and circuses to pacify the sleeping masses. :cool2:
 
Well this is good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylAHWVuPNus
Derren Brown - Russian Roulette

and I found this very interesting
Derren Brown The so called Messiah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ02I6QyagM
This is worth watching

He say for himself that he is skeptic and that he has no psi ability in his work,only tricks.
 
I agree that overall he is a distraction for the public but I do think that he exposes somewhat how easily people can be manipulated and sometimes even explains how he does it.

Here is an example of making someone want a bike - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

Here he attempts to expose phony astrology - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP7Ys9ocTk

He immerses someone into a video game - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRAcajFte0

How an earthbound entity feels? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El9Rt8CnZOo

How a pickpocket works - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j25qV5RO-nU
 
Masamune said:
Derren Brown supposedly predicts correctly six lottery numbers using the "wisdom of crowds." The basis for his procedure is an observation of a scientist from 1906 that determined that as groups we make far better decisions than experts on their own ever do (explained more in video.) Derren gets a group of people to look at a list of previous lottery numbers and asks them to use automatic writing to determine the next six numbers. Can this really work? What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4jlf849yUE&feature=related

It has been shown now that it was camera trickery, search on you tube.
 
Franco said:
It has been shown now that it was camera trickery, search on you tube.

Yes it does seem fishy that he would not show the numbers before the lottery numbers were drawn and that he himself calculated the numbers. But in the video I linked above the group picked 3 numbers correctly. Also in the video after that one they got 4 right. How was this done? Were the people who added the numbers stooges? Derren Brown usually says in his shows that no stooges were used but that would be the most obvious answer.
 
I saw the entire tv episode where he explained how he did it. He did calculate the numbers himself, but showed later in the episode that the numbers were averages calculated from the numbers that about 16 people came up with, after being induced in a sort of trance by him. Of course he didn't fully explain how he did it. I always found this man quite intriguing, and though he's clearly an entertainer I learned quite a few things from him. He does a great job showing how gullible people can be and how people can be influenced to do things clearly going against their nature. He did the Milgram experiment (_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment) once in a tv show, which I thought was quite daring.
 
Just saw the first episode of his new series The Experiments. Full episode here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rextNDXESr8&feature=related

In this episode he was testing whether someone could be hypnotized to assassinate a celebrity in a public area and have no memory of the event - enough to pass a lie detector test. He spoke with some experts about whether this type of brainwashing could be possible as conspiracy theorists say MKULTRA was used on RFK's assassin. The experts said that it was of course not possible.

*Spoilers - don't read if you want to see the episode first*

He then found a very highly suggestible subject and proceeded to created a "marksman mode" inside him like a different personality that he moves into which has very high accuracy with a firearm. He was able to trigger this with a visual and audio signal with the subject having no memory of the time elapsed in this "mode". So then he is given a real gun to hold during a public event with a celebrity, he is triggered by the signals, and he does as he has been trained and pulls the trigger shooting the celebrity (with blanks). The audience is told to act as if nothing has happened and the subject is brought out of the trance and the show continues as if everything is normal. The subject seems to have no memory of committing this act after the event.

So it seems pretty convincing that this can be achieved fairly easily by a hypnotist such as Derren Brown. Just think about how much more could be done with a large team of evil scientists working with someone since birth to create a mind controlled subject through horrific trauma and drugs.

Also interesting in the episode are little pieces of text that come up explaining the methods that he is using to hypnotize and manipulate his subjects. I would recommend watching it.
 
Do you think Derren Brown is for real? Or is he just a master manipulator? He gives all that stuff at the beginning about being against psychics and magic and whatnot and explains how his method is scientific and makes perfect sense. Infact he is sooo open about what he is doing explaining it all the way, one would think he was a really honest performer - absolutely aboveboard - feeding the public with helpful knowledge.. Hahaha can't help but laugh, I distrust this trickster with everything I got.... LOL

His shows are interesting though. ;)
 
luke wilson said:
Do you think Derren Brown is for real? Or is he just a master manipulator? He gives all that stuff at the beginning about being against psychics and magic and whatnot and explains how his method is scientific and makes perfect sense. Infact he is sooo open about what he is doing explaining it all the way, one would think he was a really honest performer - absolutely aboveboard - feeding the public with helpful knowledge.. Hahaha can't help but laugh, I distrust this trickster with everything I got.... LOL

His shows are interesting though. ;)

Yes he is a master manipulator, that is what all his shows are about. Of course he is going to conceal things from his audience and mislead them, that is what these types of entertainers do. I thought the concept of this show was interesting and it seems like it is real as far as I know but I could be wrong.
 
luke wilson said:
Do you think Derren Brown is for real? Or is he just a master manipulator? He gives all that stuff at the beginning about being against psychics and magic and whatnot and explains how his method is scientific and makes perfect sense. Infact he is sooo open about what he is doing explaining it all the way, one would think he was a really honest performer - absolutely aboveboard - feeding the public with helpful knowledge.. Hahaha can't help but laugh, I distrust this trickster with everything I got.... LOL

His shows are interesting though. ;)

I beleive he is a really good manipulator/illusionist/mind programmer. Nothing magical in there. But he does what he does nontheless although some of his 'tricks' bug me (can't find anwsers).

He just has very great knowledge as to how the mind works. I wouldn't be surprized that he knows that the world as we perceive it is a projection of our minds/beleifs. That's sort of what he explains through his speeches, osit.

He often programs (some) people and anchor ideas/beleifs in their subconscious minds which will reflect on their awarness. Usually, he will use a quick distraction to destabilize the subject and during that breif moment, he can just 'throw in' his programming. Shows how 'fragile' we can be and how easy it can be to become manipulated without even noticing.

Knowledge protects though. I would love to see him try to play a trick on Laura to see if it works. ;)

Anyone have seen the episode in the dojo where he 'hits' people without touching them? That one leaves me perplex. I'll try to find the video and post a link.

*NOTE: I know it's an old thread.*
 
Given its topicality, I thought some of you might enjoy the sound of this.

While we wait for the real thing, it seems someone called Steven has been treated to a rehearsal of a version of the apocalypse, sci fi-style, courtesy of Derren Brown, the illusionist and magician.

Radio Times said:
[...] Take Steven, a young chap who by his own admission took his life for granted. By the time I had finished with him Steven had re-discovered how much it really means to him. How did we achieve this? By convincing him the world had ended.

Stoic Hellenistic philosophers advised us to rehearse regularly the loss of everything we love. Only that way, they believed, could we learn to value what we have in life, rather than fixate upon things we don't.

Seneca's advice, for example, to consider the mortality of your daughter as you kiss her goodnight, may strike us as morbid. But to remind yourself regularly that your loved ones, your home, in fact everything you valued might be taken away in an instant, is to value them so much more. It seems our psychological landscape hasn't changed much since Seneca was penning advice to his protégés in ancient Rome.

We are bombarded daily by overt and covert messages from advertisers, media and peers... The way to feel satisfied is to hunger after what you have already in your life. To master desire, we must learn to want what we already have.

OK, he's getting there:

In my new programme, Derren Brown: Apocalypse, Steven, who personifies that familiar sense of lazy entitlement so prevalent today, comes to believe that the world is going to end. He has no idea that he is the star of the an ambitious television show. We hack into his phone, control his Twitter and news feeds and have his favourite radio DJ and television hosts record special versions of their shows to play into his home - all of which refer to an impending meteor strike.

Once the seed is planted, we end the world for him while he's on his way to a gig. He passes out and then, seemingly two weeks later, he wakes up in an abandoned military hospital. The man who took his life and his family for granted must now fight to get them back.

And in a final twist, he'll have lurching hordes of infected zombies to deal with, as the meteor has picked up from its interstellar travels a deadly and highly contagious disease.

What follows is a carefully crafted horror-film plot, intricately designed to teach the unwitting Steven valuable lessons. The infected are, of course, hideous embodiments of his former slothful life. The survivors he encounters are created to teach him what he needs to know - about courage, about selflessness, about decisiveness. It's the Wizard of Oz with zombies.

With over 100 actors involved, along with nearly 60 meticulously hidden cameras, 2,000 ft of cabling, eight months of very hard work, and an extraordinary amount of money being spent, maintaining a seamless experience for Steven was paramount. Our survivor-actors were rehearsed for months to deal with every possible eventuality that Steven's never-entirely predictable behaviour might instigate. The whole illusion could have been brought down by the smallest of things - like the furry or undead entity that ate through our main cable on the first night and left us helpless in the morning.

That's the description of his programme, here's his self-justification:

What some people may ask is, was it worth putting someone through this to have them realise their potential? The response to that sensible question depends on two factors: a) the degree of negative emotions that he experienced and b) the level of change that the adventure brought about. And on balance my answer would be yes.


Steven's application to be part of the show incorporated a series of rigorous interviews with an independent psychiatrist, who had to be certain that Steven was robust enough to handle what was in store for him. At the same time, and with the full knowledge and help of Steven's family, the plot was carefully structured to ensure that we kept a sense of hope alive for him throughout.

Most importantly for me, as well as Steven, the changes have to be profound and self-perpetuating. The challenge is to set up new thought patterns that won't just grind to a halt after the initial adrenaline of being involved in a TV show has worn off. I have maintained a relationship with Steven and cont to ensure that the work was all worth it. Which is, along with the joy of going to such great lengths for one unsuspecting person's experience, the best part of the job.

Quite an elaborate rigmarole, no? Issues of free will, and its violation, anyone? I have found Derren Brown's stunts to be often boggling, baffling, thought-provoking, sometimes unpleasant and unsettling enough to make me question his basic orientation. And controversial: I saw one which had a volunteer subject, hypnotised into carrying out an assassination with dummy ammunition (a shooting in a theatre) who afterwards had no conscious memory of his act, which had been committed in full view of the cameras and a live audience. Brown was looking to demonstrate that 'Manchurian candidate' killers like Sirhan Sirhan (Robert F. Kennedy, denies all knowledge of his crime) could well have been programmed. Done the deed, have no knowledge how they had been programmed, or of the act they carried out. It was rather a compelling demonstration.

(As ever though, with Derren Brown, there may be another explanation than the obvious, with goodness knows what convoluted personal motivation. Quintuple bluff, no problem. You get the feeling he enjoys outwitting everyone, saving the very last laugh for himself. He pays the high price of never being totally believable, whatever he says.)

In the cases involving Derren Brown's covert manipulation of someone's life, the ones I have seen (or he shows us) the 'subject' typically ends up thanking him profusely for 'their best ever experience.' They appreciate the time and effort that has gone into the illusion/practical joke, feel privileged to have been able to benefit from an out-of-the-normal experience.

The show (it's a two-parter) will air on Channel 4 (in Blighty) on Friday, 9:00pm.
 
PS Let's hope that a genuine bolide doesn't interrupt the scheduling of the programme. That would take the smile off everyone's face.
 
Slight tangent - I did enjoy his 'trick' with playing chess against the 9? masters. He placed them at tables around a circle, and (without them knowing) used his memory to play opposites against each other, and then played one himself - so convinced them that he was playing 9 simultaneous games of masterful chess - and then predicted his win/loss ratio and the numbers of pieces left on the boards - which he didn't explain.

I did find the feat of memory very interesting =)
 
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