Diet Progress and Questions about Bloating

RyanX

The Living Force
Hello all, I just wanted to post my diet progress. It’s now been about 5 months since I ditched gluten and started narrowing down my foods to find what I’m sensitive to, so I thought I’d share my results and hopefully get some feedback on certain persisting problems.

I had eliminated cow dairy products years ago when I discovered through a certain elimination diet (not the one mentioned on this forum) that I was highly sensitive to cow dairy. It was so bad that I noticed the difference immediately after eliminating it. My sluggish digestion at the time immediately turned around and became more “regular”.

It took me awhile to eliminate gluten. Part of this was my own disbelief in the fact that it could actually be causing me problems. The other part had to do with the fact that I was currently baking my own bread and had invested in a 6mo supply of flour that I didn’t want to see go to waste. I promised myself that when I was done with this flour that I would buy some buckwheat flour and start learning to cook with that.

Eliminating gluten was quite an adventure. I mean, I literally had eaten the stuff all my life! There’s not a single day that went by that I didn’t recall eating some sort of bread product. I didn’t experience any major withdrawal symptoms, but over a couple weeks I started seeing changes in the way I would feel during and after eating. First of all, I didn’t feel the need to overeat. Prior to eliminating gluten, I felt like I had to eat and eat and eat just to feel full. I would load up my plate at all meals and ever feel entirely satisfied. Without gluten in my diet, this behavior disappeared. I noticed that I started eating smaller portions and that these would make me feel “full”. I also noticed that I didn’t feel as tired after meals. I’m not sure if this was due to the lack of gluten or just the fact that my body didn’t have to digest so much food like it did before. In any case, the change was much welcome and this gave me some encouragement to continue to stay away from gluten.

I also noticed that after eliminating gluten, I found that my body was extremely sensitive to all sorts of foods that didn’t seem to have an affect on me before. Things like potatoes, pineapples, unsoaked legumes, and especially sugar. I slowly eliminated these things one at a time and found myself feeling even better during and after meals. My teeth didn’t feel as sensitive as they used to and they didn’t show stains either.

Prior to eliminating gluten, I had also started taking a high dose multivitamin. It’s actually the Thorne Basic Nutrients vitamin. I took this along with extra Ascorbic acid, B6, zinc, magnesium, calcium and melatonin all based on the ultra-mind solution quizzes. I think this was a big factor in not getting sick this past winter. I no longer feel like my health is on edge, my tank feels full when it comes to the basic vitamins and nutrients.

Around the time I started taking extra supplements, I also eliminated fluoride. I stopped using the city water to cook or drink with. Prior to this I had been using a carbon filter, but I didn’t feel like this was cutting it anymore. Besides, my experience with drinking distilled water made any other type of water just taste weird, even if it was filtered. So this was another change too.

I also take parasite cleansing herbs every month or so. This involves taking a high does of raw garlic, black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves. I gradually increase the dose on these herbs until I get to a maximum does of 8 pills wormwood, 8 pills of cloves, 2 pills of black walnut and 2 cloves of raw garlic. Sometimes I get a bit of a headache the first couple days of doing this, but afterwards this goes away. Usually I feel a surge of energy towards the end of taking these herbs.

I also started smoking during this time. I use a pipe with raw organic tobacco. I generally smoke once per day in the evenings; usually before I sit down to do any serious reading or writing. This tends to help me in these activities. I haven’t noticed any ill effects from the smoking. I was a little scared that it might have an affect on my lungs, but I haven’t noticed any. I can still run 4-6 miles every other day without feeling short of breath, so I don’t think smoking has any ill effects when it comes to health or exercise ;)

This whole regimen keeps me pretty healthy and mentally balanced for the most part. There are times when I do feel a bit depleted in serotonin and a little on edge. For this, I would like to start taking more 5-HTP and GABA. I had tried taking 5-HTP during specific times in the past when I felt most depressed, but I had to discontinue this due to financial constraints. I’d like to use this more often if my money situation ever gets better. So far just doing the basics I’ve described above helped keep most of the depression symptoms under control.

As far as health reading goes, I’ve only read The Ultra-Mind Solution and Detoxification and Healing from the recommended books list. Detoxify or Die is going to be one of my next books, I think.

The part in Baker’s Detoxification and Healing about Adrenal Fatigue really stood out for me. I think it was because that I have the classic symptoms of cold hands/feet, low blood pressure, hair loss. I suspect I might have some issues with either thyroid or adrenal hormones, but I’m not sure what exactly. From what I’ve read, both the adrenal and thyroid can be pretty sensitive to heavy metal toxicity, so at some point in the near future I’d like to try Baker’s DMSA detox regimen and see if that helps alleviate any of the symptoms. Otherwise, I’m going to have to find a doctor that specializes in orthomolecular or integrated medicine in my neck of the woods, which isn’t going to be easy. I might have to network around with some of the local holistic doctors/chiropractors and see if they know any doctors that will help with this.

Also, I have difficulties from time to time with bloating. This isn’t often, maybe once or twice a month. It seems to be triggered more from my emotional state rather than anything specific that I eat. Usually I notice it most in the evenings. I’ve found that if I take a couple pills of activated charcoal, this calms my tummy down enough to where I can sleep peacefully. I don’t know if there is something I’m not addressing in my diet to help with this, or maybe I just need to make sure I watch my stress level, which tends to bring on more of these episodes. Any feedback would be appreciated here.

Also, I noticed that when I’ve made treats with large amounts of Xylitol, I’ve had similar feelings of bloatedness. I’m wondering if this might be a sign of yeast die-off from the Xylitol since this stuff claims to be anti-microbial to some extent. It also got me thinking that the other times I’ve felt bloated might be a die-off symptom as well. I’m not sure if this is the case, however.
 
I have a fairly inexpensive suggestion. Have you considered making your own sourkraut? - Avoid pastuerised store bought produce, make your your own and enjoy vitamin C, B and tons of live enzymes and probiotics , easy to do ,just cabbage , water and sea salt. The enzymes produced are very good for digestion. Make a big batch , jar it all up as the older it gets the better it gets.

http://chetday.com/sauerkrautrecipe.htm
 
Stevie Argyll said:
I have a fairly inexpensive suggestion. Have you considered making your own sourkraut? - Avoid pastuerised store bought produce, make your your own and enjoy vitamin C, B and tons of live enzymes and probiotics , easy to do ,just cabbage , water and sea salt. The enzymes produced are very good for digestion. Make a big batch , jar it all up as the older it gets the better it gets.

http://chetday.com/sauerkrautrecipe.htm

I love saurkraut! :) I've made it in the past and sometimes buy it at the store (although the store-bought stuff is usually pasteurized) Making another batch has been on my to-do list for awhile now. Maybe I'll see if I can start some this weekend.
 
I've found that taking an enzyme supplement after evening meal helps keep things calm and light-feeling. If bloating is soon after eating, enzymes that work in the stomach, like papaya/ bromelain. If bloat is after an hour or so (in intestine), maybe a pancreatic enzyme before meal would help.
 
venusian said:
I've found that taking an enzyme supplement after evening meal helps keep things calm and light-feeling. If bloating is soon after eating, enzymes that work in the stomach, like papaya/ bromelain. If bloat is after an hour or so (in intestine), maybe a pancreatic enzyme before meal would help.

Now that's something I haven't tried yet, using digestive enzymes. Thanks for the tip venusian! :)
 
Regarding the xylitol, it has been mentioned on the forum before that some people do not tolerate it well and this leads to symptoms like bloating. For me, this occurred the first couple of times I ate it but now I have no problems. I get severe bloating on occasion even if I take enzymes and probiotics and I have found it to be caused by eggs and onions, so far.
 
If you are still bloating after natural sauerkraut then I would look at the rest of your diet and get a pattern for bloating.
Eg if you bloat after green veggies then get an enzyme mix with cellulase. If its after meat then look for a blend with protease , if its after fats / nuts then get one with lipase. Or get a mix with all of them.
 
Hi RyanX, from what I can tell it sounds like your doing great with your dietary changes and 'health stuff'. I've been on the recommended diet since February too, and I've experienced similar things as the ones you mention-especially how the nature of the hunger has changed. Like you say, there's no need to over eat and eating isn't followed anymore with tiredness, like it used to. It's interesting btw, how people take this tiredness after a meal as something completely normal, as something that is supposed to happen; "Yeah, you know when the body starts digesting food all the blood goes to your stomach and you get really tired. That's why you need coffee and some sweets to complete a dinner." Well, maybe they're right about the science, dunno, but I'm not going back to feeling tired and 'brain dead' after eating!

I've tried taking raw garlic too, but I find it too strong. I remember reading somewhere that raw garlic destroys too much of 'the good bugs' in the digestive system. As others have suggested, taking more probiotics and enzymes could help you further.
 
Thanks Aragorn. Yeah, I never would have thought removing gluten would cause those changes, but I'm glad it did! I'm glad I finally got the courage to eliminate it from my diet once and for all. Not having to make bread all the time has freed up more of my time since I baked all my own breads before. The only real bread-like staple that I made now are the buckwheat pancakes, which I've found to be useful for snacking.

You're correct, the raw garlic is somewhat harsh, but so are the other parasite herbs. I don't doubt that they cause some upset with the good bugs in the gut, in fact I believe I've read that somewhere. The last month when I did a parasite cleanse, I took an extra dose of pro-biotic pills along with it to see if it made a difference. I couldn't detect a noticeable difference, but it could have been subtle.

I'm going to take Steve's advise and try the sauerkraut. I made a batch tonight, actually. So hopefully that will be ready after a few days of fermenting. Next time I place an order for vitamins I'm going to try getting some digestive enzymes too, just to experiment with.
 
RyanX said:
I also take parasite cleansing herbs every month or so. This involves taking a high does of raw garlic, black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves. I gradually increase the dose on these herbs until I get to a maximum does of 8 pills wormwood, 8 pills of cloves, 2 pills of black walnut and 2 cloves of raw garlic. Sometimes I get a bit of a headache the first couple days of doing this, but afterwards this goes away. Usually I feel a surge of energy towards the end of taking these herbs.
After having spent most of this (2013) year as a 'carnivore', it seemed like a good idea to get around to fetching those again. (Thread found via search for "black walnut".) After 2 pills of the 3 today, there is bloating and gas.

Also, I noticed that when I've made treats with large amounts of Xylitol, I've had similar feelings of bloatedness. I'm wondering if this might be a sign of yeast die-off from the Xylitol since this stuff claims to be anti-microbial to some extent. It also got me thinking that the other times I've felt bloated might be a die-off symptom as well. I'm not sure if this is the case, however.
Xylitol is a laxative in large doses:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol said:
Like most sugar alcohols, it has a laxative effect because sugar alcohols are not fully broken down during digestion; albeit one-tenth the strength of sorbitol.
 
RyanX said:
I'm going to take Steve's advise and try the sauerkraut. I made a batch tonight, actually. So hopefully that will be ready after a few days of fermenting. Next time I place an order for vitamins I'm going to try getting some digestive enzymes too, just to experiment with.

It take a LOT more than a few days for the ferment. Ideally 4 months. Here are some good articles to start with:

http://www.nourishingtreasures.com/index.php/2013/01/22/bustin-the-myth-of-the-3-day-kraut-p-s-dont-refrigerate-it-either/

http://www.nourishingtreasures.com/index.php/2012/07/03/sauerkraut-survivor-final-report/#!

Also, get some 1g HCl supplements and see if you can take them without getting a burning sensation. If so, you have hypochlorhydria, which prevents stomach contents from getting sterilized properly and allows foreign pathogens into the gut:

http://www.medical-library.net/hypochlorhydria.html

I found that I tolerated almost all foods better while on HCl supplementation.
 
I just decided to make a thread about it since it's caused me a lot of trouble and isn't really as simple as it sounds at first:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33548.0.html
 
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