Disinformants? I'm not one, but are you?

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Hi all,

personally I can vouch for the fact that without taking the David Icke "crash course" on reptilians and related stuff back in the 90's, I would probably not be here today, reading the transmissions direct from Cassiopaea today. I do detect quite a bit of sniping against some of these people on most posts, however this post thread was more enlightening, as most of the posters acknowledged that without these "stepping stones", which is how I look at it, most of us would not be here and some of us might even be on the "other side" or amongst the ignorant masses ridiculing Laura, Ark and the Cassiopaeans. The best plan of action for me, (as the C's have also stated in so many words previous times) is to read and inform myself in an unbiased manner (I know it can be hard sometimes, looking at where we're all at right now), to read and hear what ALL of these people have to say in their entirety and then discern what is fact and what is fiction. Even the C's allude to the fact that even though some of these researchers might be playing for the other team, they do share some information that is factual (Such as with the KRILL papers (?spelling?)).
The best way I would describe the territory that we in this forum and all like minds are treading through is like a new frontier in human spiritual evolution. We are the new pioneers, so to say. As new pioneers, we have to trail blaze through all the mud, muck and swamps to finally open the pathways to a better and more well informed future for all of humankind.
I would assess that a lot of people such as Icke, Jones, etc..., if not absolutely genuine, are more agents of MISinformation as opposed to DISinformation. This would meant that they are probably unwitting agents to some degree, of the "dark side", however if they, in their own being, truly believe that they are spreading the truth, then they are in a way innocent, if not misinformed, and they are providing some slice of the pie of truth, which is really each of our individual duties to slice apart in it's entirety and use our higher faculties to separate the cream from the chaff. An agent of DISinformation, from what I gather after reading the relevant material, and checking out his mudslinging website about Laura and the C's, would be someone like this Vincent Bridges fellow, someone who is deliberately and willfully participating in the Lizzie campaign, all about petty attacks and squabbles as opposed to actually providing something of value for everyone to read and sort through and make up their own minds.
 
baffledking said:
...David Icke seems to be a popular choice for disinformant as does Alex Jones. ...

A lot of people talk as though it's an established fact that Alex Jones is disinfo, or at least one who discredits researchers.
I'd welcome input on why so many people think this?
Is he a disinfo agent?

When I've listened to him I hear a lot of truth delivered in a bombastic (understatement) style.

Opinions?
 
How do you know if SOTT or any other website is disinfo or not? One mustn't read an article and then automatically believe it to be true. Pondering is required at the least, and research at the most. Thinking with a hammer not colored by any previous or current belief systems is also suggested.
 
PottersvilleUSA said:
A lot of people talk as though it's an established fact that Alex Jones is disinfo, or at least one who discredits researchers.
I'd welcome input on why so many people think this?
Is he a disinfo agent?

When I've listened to him I hear a lot of truth delivered in a bombastic (understatement) style.

Here are a couple of items that may help clarify:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/195039-Alex-Jones-The-Pied-Piper-of-Extremism-Who-Brands-Truth-Seeking-as-Mental-Illness
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/124664-Alex-Jones-and-the-Scholars-for-911-Truth-The-Parable-of-the-Shepherd

And really, to get the necessary perspective, the above should be read in conjunction with 'Protocol 12 - Control of the Press', which is included within the editorial comments at the end of the first article linked above.
 
PottersvilleUSA said:
baffledking said:
...David Icke seems to be a popular choice for disinformant as does Alex Jones. ...

A lot of people talk as though it's an established fact that Alex Jones is disinfo, or at least one who discredits researchers.
I'd welcome input on why so many people think this?
Is he a disinfo agent?

When I've listened to him I hear a lot of truth delivered in a bombastic (understatement) style.

Opinions?

When considering the message, it is very important to consider also the character of the messenger. How would you describe Alex Jones' character?
 
Perceval said:
PottersvilleUSA said:
baffledking said:
...David Icke seems to be a popular choice for disinformant as does Alex Jones. ...

A lot of people talk as though it's an established fact that Alex Jones is disinfo, or at least one who discredits researchers.
I'd welcome input on why so many people think this?
Is he a disinfo agent?

When I've listened to him I hear a lot of truth delivered in a bombastic (understatement) style.

Opinions?

When considering the message, it is very important to consider also the character of the messenger. How would you describe Alex Jones' character?

Well, good question.
I can't really judge his character from afar. But from what I've seen he's quite sensational.
That doesn't mean he's a disinfo agent. Perhaps he's a truth teller with a knack for promotion.

Ok, so how would YOU describe Alex Jones' character?
 
PottersvilleUSA said:
Perceval said:
PottersvilleUSA said:
baffledking said:
...David Icke seems to be a popular choice for disinformant as does Alex Jones. ...

A lot of people talk as though it's an established fact that Alex Jones is disinfo, or at least one who discredits researchers.
I'd welcome input on why so many people think this?
Is he a disinfo agent?

When I've listened to him I hear a lot of truth delivered in a bombastic (understatement) style.

Opinions?

When considering the message, it is very important to consider also the character of the messenger. How would you describe Alex Jones' character?

Well, good question.
I can't really judge his character from afar. But from what I've seen he's quite sensational.
That doesn't mean he's a disinfo agent. Perhaps he's a truth teller with a knack for promotion.

Ok, so how would YOU describe Alex Jones' character?

Did you get a chance to read the articles posted by Nomad yet? They're quite instructive.
 
Pottersville, I can understand the source of your's and others' uncertainty on Alex Jones. Taken in isolation, it could be a little ambiguous. as in "he's whistleblowing truths, right? what's the big problem?"

But seemingly it's intended to be that way. It's a matter of context and additional data (Hence the links). It's one of those things that once you put together more of the pieces and it clicks, it becomes a lot clearer - and from then on you can't not see it.

If it's not clicking, maybe just withhold judgement and continue to read more around the subject, such as "The Secret Team" which I think someone recommended earlier, or other articles on Sott which talk about how disinfo/propaganda works, and more about the whole global agenda in general and how it is tied in with the undermining of 'real' free speech.

As well as Perceval's suggestion to consider the character of the messenger, also consider the character of the responses that his words/actions generate in people - and I mean this in the sense of "what wider agenda does it further?" Is it ultimately productive in terms of leading towards solutions and clearer seeing, or does it generate antagonism and reactionary (and therefore unconscious/closed) responses, or pushing towards a particular outcome? If you read the articles with all this in mind, maybe you'll see something new which you didn't see before.
 
Well i like Veritas Radio with Mel Fabregas but everytime i listen to him i wonder if he might be a disinfo agent. I could not find some info about him on this side so i ask all of you now if and what you know about him or what are your feelings. Is he an honest moderator ? For example he is propagating MMS very strong and what i know this stuff is probably quite dangerous.
 
Commander Borg said:
Well i like Veritas Radio with Mel Fabregas but everytime i listen to him i wonder if he might be a disinfo agent. I could not find some info about him on this side so i ask all of you now if and what you know about him or what are your feelings. Is he an honest moderator ? For example he is propagating MMS very strong and what i know this stuff is probably quite dangerous.

IMO, that is red flag if any.
 
Maybe he does not know better. What also is disturbing for me, he had a radio show with Steven Greer and this guy is a red flag for me. But some of his shows are really interesting.
It is the same with Project Camelot, it looks like there was a lot of disinfo going on, on the other hand they made the Interviews with Laura and Marcel Messing. That makes it all so difficult to pick out the rights from the wrongs.
 
Commander Borg said:
Maybe he does not know better. What also is disturbing for me, he had a radio show with Steven Greer and this guy is a red flag for me. But some of his shows are really interesting.
It is the same with Project Camelot, it looks like there was a lot of disinfo going on, on the other hand they made the Interviews with Laura and Marcel Messing. That makes it all so difficult to pick out the rights from the wrongs.

"Good" COINTELPRO comes with 99% truth and remember that that one % skews the hole message! It's for You to discern whats what, nobody will/should "put it on a platter" for You.
 
Commander Borg said:
Well i guess the lessons of life then would be to easy, there would be not much reason to think.

In my case if a "lesson is easy":
- it usually means I haven't learned much(if anything at all)-> I don't know much
- I start to believe a lot though, especially about myself "knowing" things ;)

Can you then call it a lesson anymore? As in lesson learned?
 
Commander Borg said:
Well i like Veritas Radio with Mel Fabregas but everytime i listen to him i wonder if he might be a disinfo agent. I could not find some info about him on this side so i ask all of you now if and what you know about him or what are your feelings. Is he an honest moderator ? For example he is propagating MMS very strong and what i know this stuff is probably quite dangerous.

Not probably but definitively dangerous.

Do a search on this forum about that product and do another one on SOTT.net. You will learn why that stuff is so dangerous.


Edit: Corrected spelling error
 

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