Disturbing News

[EGVG]

Hello Herakles, I was a bit on the defensive side yeah, but just a bit.

I'm not sure what you mean by this

Seeing this is a step in the right direction, imo, for when I first read your post the only thing I could think of was how unfortunate it was to see you make the whole thing about you.

be honest, is it guilt prompting you right now? Guilt never served anybody and none of us are trying to make you feel guilty, rather to see with stark relief the reality of your self-centredness. Unless you see it, honestly own it and acknowledge it at a very pervasive level, the slippery serpent between the ears will continue as it always has.

100% honesty, It was not guilt that made me post. but rather curiosity on what you guys had to say, I appreciate the opinions and advice that members of the forum have to say. I've talk to a friend of his older brother, just know, she told me that my friends family is very very sad, and they have a mayor feeling of guilt. She also told me that my friend is fully recovering and that he did not loose that much blood, on the contrary the cuts where superficial.

EDU

 

[anart]

Hi EGVG,

It seems to me (and I could be mistaken) that part of the problem here is an emotional disconnect. This is really not that uncommon since life on this planet has a tendency to force a bit of an emotional shut down on most people - we pull back or shut down in order to protect ourselves, and over time, this becomes our 'normal' state of being. Unfortunately, while this might offer some initial protection, it ends up trapping us inside ourselves so that we cannot act and react appropriately to life.

It also tends to create a way of living that is sort of like 'looking in at life', but not really living it. We, being at an emotional distance to pretty much everything and everyone, often feel as though we are 'watching life' - not really taking part - in this state, we can observe or experience pretty horrific things without them really 'touching us' - and without having what would be a normal human/emotional reaction to them.

So, if this might be part of the dynamic at play here, it really is worth looking at. If you haven't yet tried the EE breathing program, it really is effective at helping open up the shut down emotional center. It's just a thought, fwiw.

 

[EGVG]

Hi EGVG,

It seems to me (and I could be mistaken) that part of the problem here is an emotional disconnect. This is really not that uncommon since life on this planet has a tendency to force a bit of an emotional shut down on most people - we pull back or shut down in order to protect ourselves, and over time, this becomes our 'normal' state of being. Unfortunately, while this might offer some initial protection, it ends up trapping us inside ourselves so that we cannot act and react appropriately to life.

It also tends to create a way of living that is sort of like 'looking in at life', but not really living it. We, being at an emotional distance to pretty much everything and everyone, often feel as though we are 'watching life' - not really taking part - in this state, we can observe or experience pretty horrific things without them really 'touching us' - and without having what would be a normal human/emotional reaction to them.

So, if this might be part of the dynamic at play here, it really is worth looking at. If you haven't yet tried the EE breathing program, it really is effective at helping open up the shut down emotional center. It's just a thought, fwiw.

Hi anart!!! :)
I've been doing that all my life. Not with everyone or not in every occasion, but yes I do have an emotional shield, some of my acquaintances may think I'm shallow and cold, but I'm not, I'm really not, I'm just cautious when hanging with wrong crowds and when revealing my feeling. For example I fear commitment, I fear getting to close to some people and I fear taking the first step, not always, but it has been a costant on my life. I'm working on it.
EE is amazing! I've pas it to my mom, my sister, my cosing and friends!! I try to do it every chance that i get.

EDU

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I've been doing that all my life. Not with everyone or not in every occasion, but yes I do have an emotional shield, some of my acquaintances may think I'm shallow and cold, but I'm not, I'm really not, I'm just cautious when hanging with wrong crowds and when revealing my feeling. For example I fear commitment, I fear getting to close to some people and I fear taking the first step, not always, but it has been a costant on my life. I'm working on it.

EGVG, have you read The Narcissistic Family? If not, I'd move it to the top of the pile. I think you'll find a lot in there that can put your fears and narcissistic tendencies in perspective.

 

[EGVG]

I've been doing that all my life. Not with everyone or not in every occasion, but yes I do have an emotional shield, some of my acquaintances may think I'm shallow and cold, but I'm not, I'm really not, I'm just cautious when hanging with wrong crowds and when revealing my feeling. For example I fear commitment, I fear getting to close to some people and I fear taking the first step, not always, but it has been a costant on my life. I'm working on it.

EGVG, have you read The Narcissistic Family? If not, I'd move it to the top of the pile. I think you'll find a lot in there that can put your fears and narcissistic tendencies in perspective.

No I have not, but I will thanks.

EDU

 

[unk]

It seems to me that it takes courage to post a personal story online that may be perceived in a way that could be unflattering to you. However, perhaps you did exactly what you needed to at the time you needed to do it. You are the only one who could possibly know what was the appropriate thing to do in this scenario. You alone have the knowledge of the history you shared with this person- the emotional dynamic between you, him, your mutual friends. You alone know what is best for yourself and perhaps the best way for you to interact with your friend.

Your story indicates you knew there were people there for him at the time he contacted you so there was no reason for you to call anyone or be physically there. Actually, you were there for him through the computer. Your schoolmate (I wouldn't call him a friend since his actions were only in his own self interest) did not seem to be reaching out because he had many concerned people pounding on his door. He seemed to be trying to involve as many people as possible in his drama even to the point of asking you to contact all of your friends to tell them about his drama. Your perception that he is an attention seeker is consistent with his actions.

From my limited perspective on this drama, if he was truly reaching out to someone, he wouldn't be dramatizing the amount of blood on the floor, he would be talking from the heart. The description of blood seems designed to heighten the drama. Perhaps this was designed to be a feeding frenzy for some 4D types and you nipped it in the bud by not sucking more people into the drama, including yourself. However, only you can know. The fact that you are performing a post mortem on the incident in order to learn more about yourself shows that you are interested in growing in self-awareness. I salute you on that. Thanks for sharing your story and giving me an opportunity to also learn from it.

 

[anart]

It seems to me that it takes courage to post a personal story online that may be perceived in a way that could be unflattering to you. However, perhaps you did exactly what you needed to at the time you needed to do it. You are the only one who could possibly know what was the appropriate thing to do in this scenario. You alone have the knowledge of the history you shared with this person- the emotional dynamic between you, him, your mutual friends. You alone know what is best for yourself and perhaps the best way for you to interact with your friend.

Hi unk, the reason most people post on the forum is for personal feedback, because, as human beings, we do not know what is best; we cannot see ourselves - thus getting more objective input from the network is vital for the work on the self. Saying, 'only you know' is missing the point, because one cannot See themselves, which is why EGVG posted about it here. :)

 

[wanderer33]

For years I had a ritualistic pattern of praying for my family, never myself. I thought praying for self was too much. I stopped doing this because I realised that praying for my family aside from myself was still an STS activity. Now I just pray for the planet and humanity as a whole. Of course this may still be not ideal.

I have the distinct impression that the author of 'disturbing news' has not got a good handle on STO/STS activities. Still, the author is young (20),
that's very young, and she may be forgiven for a lack of wisdom.

 

[EGVG]

For years I had a ritualistic pattern of praying for my family, never myself. I thought praying for self was too much. I stopped doing this because I realised that praying for my family aside from myself was still an STS activity. Now I just pray for the planet and humanity as a whole. Of course this may still be not ideal.

I have the distinct impression that the author of 'disturbing news' has not got a good handle on STO/STS activities. Still, the author is young (20),
that's very young, and she may be forgiven for a lack of wisdom.

Hello wander33, I'm a HE!!! I now pray for all the people that need help or love and have ask for it, so they are specting to receive it. In response to your impression that I don't have a good handle on STO/STS activities, you may be right, but I'm learning, and every time someone points out my flaws on this forum, is a mayor help to me because it gives me perspective. But your post is not helping!! Could you elaborate more on that matter (STS/STO) and point out what was that impress you?? Thanks!

EDU

 

[wanderer33]

LOL. Sorry about the gender confusion.

I think that the main reason people have a problem with STO thinking is that it is almost impossible to effectively take THAT path in THIS world.
Also everything we have been taught from birth seems to be either wrong or the opposite of what is close to truth. This presents an enormous barrier to overcome and requires a lot of time and contemplation.

I don't consider it the case that you have flaws. That would not be a fair assessment. You are young and open-minded. You have a fantastic opportunity to learn over time. It does take time to sift and coagulate ideas. Some of the youth on this site are in a great hurry to understand all that has been revealed in this knowledge base which must frustrate them to some extent. Even a speed reader has to take time out to contemplate what they have read or learnt.

So, if I can say anything worthy, it would be to slow down, be patient, and keep learning how to live a good life apart from the terror-controlled world in which we have been born.

Happy trails.

 

[truth seeker]

Fwiw, I don't think one's level of patience necessarily equates with age. I wouldn't consider myself young (depending on who you ask :) ) and I also struggle with this at times. Wrestling with patience can take many forms and sometimes catch us off guard.

 

[unk]

It seems to me that it takes courage to post a personal story online that may be perceived in a way that could be unflattering to you. However, perhaps you did exactly what you needed to at the time you needed to do it. You are the only one who could possibly know what was the appropriate thing to do in this scenario. You alone have the knowledge of the history you shared with this person- the emotional dynamic between you, him, your mutual friends. You alone know what is best for yourself and perhaps the best way for you to interact with your friend.

Hi unk, the reason most people post on the forum is for personal feedback, because, as human beings, we do not know what is best; we cannot see ourselves - thus getting more objective input from the network is vital for the work on the self. Saying, 'only you know' is missing the point, because one cannot See themselves, which is why EGVG posted about it here. :)

I disagree with your assumption that the input of the network is objective. It appears to be judgmental/subjective. I believe human beings do know what is best for themselves individually. It seems more relevant feedback here would be from the people involved in the situation, not from people who have no idea what went down but nevertheless seem to think they know the answers.

 

[anart]

I disagree with your assumption that the input of the network is objective. It appears to be judgmental/subjective. I believe human beings do know what is best for themselves individually. It seems more relevant feedback here would be from the people involved in the situation, not from people who have no idea what went down but nevertheless seem to think they know the answers.

As someone with 5 posts on this forum, and who has thus never networked here, it might be wise to consider the idea that you don't know anything - objectively - about this network.

My statement is not an assumption, it is the truth as evidenced over many years and thousands of instances of networking in action.

In short, don't knock it until you've tried it and don't assume to know something you don't know.

Now, I suppose my question is, what is really bugging you about this, since you are obviously reacting rather emotionally to this thread. My other question would be whether you are at all familiar with the work of G.I. Gurdjieff? This forum is based, in part, on that work, so being familiar with that might help you make sense of what it is we do here.

 

[EGVG]

Fwiw, I don't think one's level of patience necessarily equates with age. I wouldn't consider myself young (depending on who you ask :) ) and I also struggle with this at times. Wrestling with patience can take many forms and sometimes catch us off guard.

I 100% agree ;)

EDU

 

[Oxajil]

For years I had a ritualistic pattern of praying for my family, never myself. I thought praying for self was too much. I stopped doing this because I realised that praying for my family aside from myself was still an STS activity. Now I just pray for the planet and humanity as a whole. Of course this may still be not ideal.

I don't understand how praying for self can be ''too much''. I also don't see that much of a difference (in sincerity) between praying for yourself/family and praying for the planet and humanity as a whole.
Maybe you will find this thread interesting: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=10724.0

I have the distinct impression that the author of 'disturbing news' has not got a good handle on STO/STS activities. Still, the author is young (20),
that's very young, and she may be forgiven for a lack of wisdom.

That is quite an assumption. Age does not say much about wisdom. Maybe experience-wise, but wisdom-wise I don't know.