Do you find 'Physicality' unsettling?

[Andrew]

Hey Everyone,

So this may be a completely pointless post so I apologize in advance if it’s relatively meaningless. And I’m not quite sure how to convey this so I’ll do my best. I was talking to forum member Shelby earlier about this topic and she encouraged me to get my thoughts out so they’re not just ruminating in my head.

Basically, I’m curious to know if anyone else here feels similar.

Does anyone else find physicality, or existing in a physical vehicle, unsettling? For the longest time now, I’ve found just ‘being physical’ in a physical body, particularly unsettling.

Sure the physical body is a beautiful and amazing biological feat of engineering on a profound level. But it feels so ‘foreign’. ‘Strange’. And even borderline disturbing. Almost like the very act of existing in a physical body is a clue that ‘something isn’t right’.

Everything from sensations, to smells, to the fibers that grow out of it, the fluids that are secreted from it, the process of waste disposal, bacteria that grows on it, the reproductive process, mutations that can occur, the appendages we use to interact with the external and the overall anatomy really, all just carry some element of disturbance on my mind.

I recall the C’s once said that the physical body is like a weight around the neck of the Soul, so perhaps this perspective is linked to that? I don’t know. I’ve never really spoken about this and just kept it in my head. But just wanted to know if anyone else on here experiences a similar distaste for being physical and existing in a physical world in general?

 

[Alejo]

Hi Andrew,

I’d describe living in a physical body taxing, and trying. You know every now and then I find myself wondering if I didn’t have a whole bunch of physical limitations would my existence be different, my decisions easier or my will be spent differently.

Think of sugar cravings for instance, it’s a physical act of the body literally affecting your choices, and like I said, sometimes I find myself wondering... what would it be like if that wasn’t part of my existence, a life without cravings.

Or think of traveling, and how stressing it is to go out there and sit in traffic and deal with weather and the cold and the heat and, you follow me.

But I don’t think I would personally describe it as unsettling per se, it’s something that simply is, as part of my development and the things I need to learn, the lesson plan includes and requires even, a physical existence.

All the bodily functions and allergies and decay and so on, all strain the soul in a way that creates an opportunity for certain specific knowledge to be absorbed, that couldn’t be otherwise.

The way I’ve come to see it is, if I can’t learn that I ought to value and care for a physical body with all its limitations in awareness and perception, how can I ever respect and be responsible with all the possibilities, that are described in literature, theoretically available to disincarnate or higher density beings?

Does that make sense? It’s like, one appreciates traveling on an airplane because one knows what it would mean to have to walk 1000 miles.

But, to your case specifically, when was the first memory you had of feeling this unsettling sensation? Personally I didn’t start to seriously consider it and allow my imagination to fly until I started learning about other realities and densities.

And I don’t mean for a second to dismiss what you’re describing, but could it be the result of a very vivid imagination perhaps?

Just my two cents here.

 

[Andrew]

I’d describe living in a physical body taxing, and trying. You know every now and then I find myself wondering if I didn’t have a whole bunch of physical limitations would my existence be different, my decisions easier or my will be spent differently.

But I don’t think I would personally describe it as unsettling per se, it’s something that simply is, as part of my development and the things I need to learn, the lesson plan includes and requires even, a physical existence.

All the bodily functions and allergies and decay and so on, all strain the soul in a way that creates an opportunity for certain specific knowledge to be absorbed, that couldn’t be otherwise.

The way I’ve come to see it is, if I can’t learn that I ought to value and care for a physical body with all its limitations in awareness and perception, how can I ever respect and be responsible with all the possibilities, that are described in literature, theoretically available to disincarnate or higher density beings?

Does that make sense?

Yes, it does. Don’t get me wrong, I don't mean to discredit our current position in Physicality, the soul-benefit of being encased in Physicality or the maintenance required. I think it’s more so that we’re NOT physical beings by our nature. But non-physical beings inhabiting ‘matter’ - with all its limitations - that I feel I'm constantly (annoyingly) aware of to some degree. And it’s that incarceration, and awareness of being trapped inside of matter that is what's unsettling about it all.

But, to your case specifically, when was the first memory you had of feeling this unsettling sensation?

I was trying to think of this before I posted and I can’t really give an answer. I could easily say “for as long as I can remember, I’ve felt something was off with being ‘physical'” but, I can’t say for sure.

Personally I didn’t start to seriously consider it and allow my imagination to fly until I started learning about other realities and densities.

I don’t think I started to consider it either until I actually had experience of ‘being out of body’. I think that’s when it really hit home that we are not ‘physical’ beings and my identification with my body lessened significantly. Then after learning about other realities and densities it just kicked it up another notch.

And I don’t mean for a second to dismiss what you’re describing, but could it be the result of a very vivid imagination perhaps?

Thanks Alejo. I don’t think so? Maybe I'm wrong? But this seems to be less of an imaginative thing than it is of just being annoyingly aware of being physical and all that’s entailed with occupying it.

Maybe I’m just an oddball with a distaste/repulsion for physicality?

Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.

 

[Weontv]

Absolutely, I also think that the more awareness you gain the stronger the "revulsion to physicality" becomes because we are moving closer to another form of existence(4th D).

For me, it isn't just living in a physical body, but the entire physical world in general.. everything is so limiting and mundane. I have experienced telepathy before and also seen in to what I can only describe as higher realms or densities and communicated with the entities on that level and I can reassure you that the form of communication on the higher levels is on another level entirely compared to what we experience here. Giving us voice boxes was a feat that was hugely debilitating to us by our creators and creates a whole host of insecurities hindrances, distortions and the like that would not be there if we could communicate telepathically.

On top of that, a lot of people here, native souls I would imagine, get a lot out of things like exploring nature and enjoying the material aspect of our reality, and I think for the Wanderer or 4th density candidate this is generally not as interesting as it is to dwell within the mind and talk about things of a less material nature. This is probably why a lot of us are dreamers or idealists, because the worlds we create in our heads often trump whatever we can experience in the "real" world.

It is not unusual at all and I would imagine a good chunk of us feel the same way.

 

[wodasi]

help .. get me out of here !..
i am stuck with a shitty body ( congestive heart issues ) and i wanna leave !
snails and turtles move faster than me ..sigh ...( and i am only 65 ) .....
guess i'll just watch the circus ..go by ...
( please no comments other than those for original starter of this thread ,.,.,, )

 

[Ysus]

I think that is quite common. I often feel “body tired”, too. The danger can be - from what I understand - that one devalues the body, wants to “get rid of it” and dive directly into spirituality without first really owning and understanding one’s body. We are required to learn our 3d lessons together with our flesh and blood bodies - the hard way. Hard also: to take the pains to appropriately look after our bodies as best as we can while not becoming overly body/looks-centric.

I am also learning to not hate/love my body too much (or other bodies for that matter) but rather to see it more and more for what it is: a great chance to learn many a lesson. It’s taken me half a century to get to that point, however, and often with the help of sublimation (drawing/satire etc.) where I feel I find some “breathing” distance, a bit of quasi non-physicality and indirectness where I can laugh at myself and that seems to aid me to stay sympathetic and understanding towards our painful, and often somewhat disgraceful, physical confinement.

 

[Michael B-C]

I can concur. A choice we freely made but a harsh one nonetheless of harshly testing consequence once we're in it. As others have said that sense of in and out at the same time - at once entombed and lived in side by side. I've effectively lived with a broken back for 40 years now and I often feel like I'm being dragged around by a shipwreck that I'm not the master of; rather it dictates to me how far and ineptly we can travel together. Too many years now since all those dreams of flying! And do I really have to eat yet another meal?!

I often feel “body tired”, too. The danger can be - from what I understand - that one devalues the body, wants to “get rid of it” and dive directly into spirituality without first really owning and understanding one’s body. We are required to learn our 3d lessons together with our flesh and blood bodies - the hard way. Hard also: to take the pains to appropriately look after our bodies as best as we can while not becoming overly body/looks-centric.

Indeed Ysus.

Brings to mind that wonderful sequence in Terry Gillian's film Baron Munchhausen. Robin Williams wonderfully playing out both aspects as King of the Moon... now there's the rub! Food for the Moon whilst refining and learning... you gotta laugh at it!

Flatulence and Orgasms

 

[Andrew]

Absolutely, I also think that the more awareness you gain the stronger the "revulsion to physicality" becomes because we are moving closer to another form of existence(4th D).

Yes, I would definitely agree.

For me, it isn't just living in a physical body, but the entire physical world in general.. everything is so limiting and mundane.

Agree also.

I have experienced telepathy before and also seen in to what I can only describe as higher realms or densities and communicated with the entities on that level and I can reassure you that the form of communication on the higher levels is on another level entirely compared to what we experience here.

Interesting you say that. I’ve felt Telepathy would be a much more efficient form of communication - with all the limitations language holds and the high percentage of being misunderstood words carry. But with Telepathy it would seem ones expression could be conveyed in its entirety to another being, without fault. I’ve never personally experienced it but can imagine its effectiveness.

On top of that, a lot of people here, native souls I would imagine, get a lot out of things like exploring nature and enjoying the material aspect of our reality and I think for the Wanderer or 4th density candidate this is generally not as interesting as it is to dwell within the mind and talk about things of a less material nature.

This is also something I’ve never really had interest in. Although I would say it’s nice to be out in nature (for example) to create distance between the self and the interior of the circus and to ground and re-balance every so often.

But for the sole purpose of the material experience of it, not so much. The ‘mind’ and ‘emotions’, tend to carry more weight for me - although I’m fully aware my mind/emotions are far from cleansed. And while I would never presume to ‘be’ a Wanderer, I think I can relate (albeit in a small way) to what their experience must be like - allergies and all!

It is not unusual at all and I would imagine a good chunk of us feel the same way.

Thanks Weontv for reassurance. It feels incredibly lonely to view the world this way, when it’s apparent most others do not. Which is entirely ok.

The danger can be - from what I understand - that one devalues the body, wants to “get rid of it” and dive directly into spirituality without first really owning and understanding one’s body. We are required to learn our 3d lessons together with our flesh and blood bodies - the hard way. Hard also: to take the pains to appropriately look after our bodies as best as we can while not becoming overly body/looks-centric.

I’ve definitely fallen into this pit before. There is a balance that needs to be had and understood. I don’t think I’ve gone overboard on either becoming to ‘pre-occupied’ with either body-centricity or un-balanced spirituality in a long while.

But I couldn’t agree more that one needs to understand their body; how to care for it, maintain it, exercise it and heal it so that it can best operate in this density among its denizens. How else can one navigate this world effectively if ones Temple is in disarray?

It makes it incredibly difficult/challenging if not impossible, when limiting emotions influence you, the mind's constantly tricking you, the chemical processes sabotaging you, and the underlying programming defaulting to behavioral adaptations and ego-centricity.

I am also learning to not hate/love my body too much (or other bodies for that matter) but rather to see it more and more for what it is: a great chance to learn many a lesson.

This is a great perspective. While I wouldn’t say I’ve ‘hated’ my body, I don’t exactly love it either. From all of its allergic issues, digestive problems, sinus inflammation issues and physical conditions that effect my breathing (I have mild Pectus Excavatum) just adds additional challenges to Working effectively and further drain. While I can do my best to heal through diet (which has helped immensely) I’ve come to accept (to a degree) these limitations. I’m sure there’s work to be done in learning further acceptance of my vehicles conditions and operating within them.

I really like your perspective that the physical vehicle allows for a great chance to learn many lessons. And could definitely use some type of “Sublimation” to help create my own breathing-distance - at times - from the Soul drain of 3rd density.

I've effectively lived with a broken back for 40 years now and I often feel like I'm being dragged around by a shipwreck that I'm not the master of

Wow. I can’t imagine what you have to go through on a daily basis - that must be Hell! I can definitely understand your reference to flying dreams though. I used to get those quite often and boy what a feeling of liberation they are! Something I hope is possible in the higher densities.

And do I really have to eat yet another meal?!

lol. Not sure If I’m understanding your meaning here, but if meant in literal terms, not much a fan of the whole 'having to eat' thing either. After learning about the Keto/Carnivore diet it’s made things much easier; knowing I can eat the exact same thing every day, and not worry about the pressure from everyone else's views of what I 'should' be eating to 'enjoy life'.

Brings to mind that wonderful sequence in Terry Gillian's film Baron Munchhausen. Robin Williams wonderfully playing out both aspects as King of the Moon... now there's the rub! Food for the Moon whilst refining and learning... you gotta laugh at it!

I’d never seen this before. Found it pretty amusing also!

“I don’t have time for flatulence and orgasms! I hate that face you make me make!” Lol

Thanks Michael-Barker! :)

 

[mkrnhr]

If by physicality one means the physical universe, then maybe one could be annoyed by its limitations from time to time. Gravity for instance can become rather boring after a while. However, being in a human body is just a sub-part of physicality, and while it has its own limitations, it's a tool to navigate the physical and mental worlds. Does it has its drawbacks? Yes: aging, sickness, pain, etc. But in the end, it's just a momentery tool between birth and deah, to make good use of, to maintain, to take care of, to cherish, and likely to love. OSIT

 

[trendsetter37]

Imo, it's probably not useful to treat one's time on this level with disdain. Rather, think of it as a gift. I imagine different levels of existence (read consciousness) directly correlate to intensity of experience. What if everything that's been described so far as an annoyance, had an analogue in higher realms? What would you do then? The common denominator is you and your perspective, not the circumstances.

If you take away physical pain of the body you're still left with mental and emotional pain, which can actually be a lot worse in some cases. Not to mention the fact that physical and emotional pain are often one and the same. That will still be with us in 4D no doubt. Of course, there are feelings of joy, giving, and accomplishment that will be of a higher intensity as well but my point is that it may be hard to handle all of the extra throughput of emotion and experience if one didn't learn a thing or two with 3D physical limitations.

There are snippets and clues in some of the sessions recounting Philadelphia experiments to get a sense of the ramifications. Some that experience other realities, without any idea of what they are, go crazy. Ergo, this should not be taken lightly.

In general, I view 3D physicality as a kind of training wheels. There's only so much capacity your body has for physical pain before you pass out. If you don't have a body what's the limit?

For me there's also an elephant in the room regarding conversations like this; unsettling is relative obviously but the potential for creatures, beings, or situations in less material realms, to be unsettling, is greater than in one that is completely physical, right? The "limitations" work both ways so we can use that to our advantage.

That's not to say you should never feel unsettled or uncomfortable during your sojourn here but I think the goal should be that we can experience certain "unsavory" things with as much grace as possible.

Ironically, I think being disgusted with or feeling victimized by "physicality" errs on the side of being identified with it.

Don't get me wrong, what I'm saying above isn't a sales job for 3D physicality just a reminder to treat our experiences here as preparation.

 

[Andrew]

Imo, it's probably not useful to treat one's time on this level with disdain. Rather, think of it as a gift.

While difficult to see it entirely as a Gift, I wouldn’t say I treat the physical experience with ‘Disdain’ either, as I do respect its fundamental nature and what we all have to go through here. I think it would be incredibly dangerous and ignorant not to. Just because I dislike it or find many facets of it disturbing and disgusting, doesn’t make it less worthy of respect.

I think it's more along the lines of, the 'Glam' of it has faded/is fading(?) away and the ‘Reality’ of it, is becoming more apparent.
Its lost/is losing its appeal. Which is where (maybe?) the feeling of being unsettled, disturbed by it, seems to be stemming from?

Whereas before, the physical world was just the physical world to me. Like seeing something afar vs. seeing it up close with all its little details and intricacies now. Seeing the sandbox for what it is and realizing it’s a ‘dirty’ place to inhabit. And when you play in it, you’re going to get dirty as well.

If you take away physical pain of the body you're still left with mental and emotional pain, which can actually be a lot worse in some cases. Not to mention the fact that physical and emotional pain are often one and the same. That will still be with us in 4D no doubt. Of course, there are feelings of joy, giving, and accomplishment that will be of a higher intensity as well but my point is that it may be hard to handle all of the extra throughput of emotion and experience if one didn't learn a thing or two with 3D physical limitations.

I wouldn't say what I'm trying to describe here has much to do with the 'pain' aspect of existence, whether Physical, Mental or Emotional. But more so the Physical expression of matter itself in its myriad forms here. But I see your point and have no doubt it will be/still is with us in higher densities. And these will have to be worked through in order to progress. But again, it's not so much about that.

unsettling is relative obviously but the potential for creatures, beings, or situations in less material realms, to be unsettling, is greater than in one that is completely physical, right?

Yes, that's a great point!!!

Hadn't really considered that. I know for example when viewing images of 'Fractals', I get a feeling that feels like ants are crawling all-over my brain, that's very disturbing. Or, when viewing images of 'holes' - (there's some type of Phobia related to this that I can't think of the name) but it absolutely makes my skin crawl! There was an image circulating around for a while of a picture of a hand with all of these holes in it and...it almost has a physically painful affect on me. These are of course extreme examples.

And whether or not Fractals have anything to do with higher dimensions/realities - if they are - I can only imagine being completely paralyzed with fear/discomfort in their presence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "I'm ready for Higher Levels of Reality because I find Physicality disturbing" because I damn well know that I'm not. Just trying to convey a growing dissatisfaction that is manifesting itself in feelings of disturbance and unsettlement, with the material expression and inhabitance that we know as Physicality.

That's not to say you should never feel unsettled or uncomfortable during your sojourn here but I think the goal should be that we can experience certain "unsavory" things with as much grace as possible.

Ya, I agree. And as unsavory as things can be, if I could learn to do that it would make things a lot easier.

Ironically, I think being disgusted with or feeling victimized by "physicality" errs on the side of being identified with it.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on this?

I've been reflecting on it, and while of course there's still a degree of identification with it (as it's all we know currently), I wouldn't say I feel "victimized" by it - sure the limitations suck, but I'm not a victim here! I chose this apparently. But I also simultaneously feel a loss of identification as well.

However, if at the core of this, what you're seeing is really ME being overly identified with Physicality somehow, I would love to know how.

Don't get me wrong, what I'm saying above isn't a sales job for 3D physicality just a reminder to treat our experiences here as preparation.

Thanks Trendsetter! and I appreciate the reminder to treat this as preparation. I'm probably guilty of omitting this from my awareness more than I should even though this is something I should know.

 

[Yas]

If by physicality one means the physical universe, then maybe one could be annoyed by its limitations from time to time. Gravity for instance can become rather boring after a while. However, being in a human body is just a sub-part of physicality, and while it has its own limitations, it's a tool to navigate the physical and mental worlds. Does it has its drawbacks? Yes: aging, sickness, pain, etc. But in the end, it's just a momentery tool between birth and deah, to make good use of, to maintain, to take care of, to cherish, and likely to love. OSIT

I agree. Besides, if we can see our physical world as part of the whole of existence, there is surely divinity or, let's say, expressions of consciousness in our reality, from the tinniest of creatures to the complex human beings that can manifest both beauty and horror. This is why I think that our physical world can be appreciated and even loved, in the sense of acquiring knowledge about it so that we can understand it and learn from it, thinking that in the process, we might also be learning about other realms, 'densities' and our reality as a whole.

For me, it isn't just living in a physical body, but the entire physical world in general.. everything is so limiting and mundane. I have experienced telepathy before and also seen in to what I can only describe as higher realms or densities and communicated with the entities on that level and I can reassure you that the form of communication on the higher levels is on another level entirely compared to what we experience here. Giving us voice boxes was a feat that was hugely debilitating to us by our creators and creates a whole host of insecurities hindrances, distortions and the like that would not be there if we could communicate telepathically.

On top of that, a lot of people here, native souls I would imagine, get a lot out of things like exploring nature and enjoying the material aspect of our reality, and I think for the Wanderer or 4th density candidate this is generally not as interesting as it is to dwell within the mind and talk about things of a less material nature. This is probably why a lot of us are dreamers or idealists, because the worlds we create in our heads often trump whatever we can experience in the "real" world.

I don't think that the extent to which one appreciates nature can be considered a measure of the evolution of the soul. Being able to appreciate what is beautiful in our realm and understand it as manifestation of the creative force of the universe doesn't make one any less 'evolved', IMHO. The problem comes, I think, when we think that this reality and its physicality are purposeless and when we want to experience other 'exciting' things in what would still be a 'physical' experience, if you think about it, even if a little less 'limited'.

I think these threads can be very insightful and teach us a lot about how our physical reality isn't purposeless and there is a lot we can learn from it:

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Then, this thread reminded me of this excerpt, for what it's worth:

Q: (L) On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and ethereality. This has been said on a number of occasions. Now, I don’t understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped? Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful? Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.

A: Possession is the key. In STS, you possess. If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess…

Q: (L) It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess, but only to give. In which case, I still don’t understand how it can be a mechanism for a “fall.”

A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach? In STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.

Q: (L) Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the “All”?

A: Explain the process.

Q: (L) For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person…

A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.

Q: (L) What I am saying is: if a person can simply be, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn’t that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?

A: Not if one is “feeling this oneness.”

Q: (L) We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just be, not want… just be?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that. You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.

Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode…

A: STO candidates.

Q: (A) These STO candidates are not able to just simply be, even theoretically, because then, STS would eat them.

A: No.

Q: (L) Why not?

A: STS does not eat according to protocol. STS “eats” whatever it wants to, if it is able.

Q: (L) That’s what we said. If you are an STO candidate in an STS world, you are basically defenseless, and they eat you.

A: No.

Q: (L) Why? What makes STO unavailable or “inedible”?

A: Frequency resonance not in sync.

Q: (A) But then, that would mean that all these people who are saying that we need just to love everything and everybody, are right. They just be, and love, don’t do anything, just give everything to the Lizzies… they are right!

A: No, because motivation is STS.

Q: (L) How is the motivation to love everything and everybody, and to just give, STS?

A: Feels good.

Q: (L) So, they want to do it because it feels good?

A: Want is an STS concept.

Q: (L) So, you seem to be suggesting that the real trick is to just become non-attached to anything and anybody, do nothing, and just dissolve into nothing? No thought, no want, no do, no be, no anything!

A: If you are STS, that does not fit, but, if you did exactly that, you would reincarnate in an STO realm, where such energy does fit.

Q: (L) But, if you have become nothing, how do you reincarnate? And, when you say “reincarnate”, that implies being in a body!

A: You do not become nothingness.

Q: (L) But, being incarnated means being in a body?

A: No.

Q: (L) You mean moving into a realm that does not necessarily mean being in a body?

A: Close. But fourth density STO is partially physical. Does not consume nor possess. You are confused because you seem to think you must be STO to be an STO candidate. You are STS, and you simply cannot be otherwise, until you either reincarnate or transform at realm border crossing.

Taken from: The Wave Chapter 3: Dorothy and The Frog Prince Meet Flight 19 in Oz or, “I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore!”

 

[Yas]

I also thought of what Jordan Peterson says here: that limitation is an esencial part of existence and Being.

 

[Andrew]

Besides, if we can see our physical world as part of the whole of existence, there is surely divinity or, let's say, expressions of consciousness in our reality, from the tinniest of creatures to the complex human beings that can manifest both beauty and horror. This is why I think that our physical world can be appreciated and even loved, in the sense of acquiring knowledge about it so that we can understand it and learn from it, thinking that in the process, we might also be learning about other realms, 'densities' and our reality as a whole.

Thanks Yas! Some good food for thought here. This reminded me of this session where intelligent design was discussed also:

(L) The level of engineering, the level of intelligence, I mean... Obviously, there have been experiments. Look at the book, Prehistoric Life. You can SEE minds working on engineering creatures. Then they decide, oh, we don't like that one. They wipe out the whole planet and then a whole new bunch appear. That's engineering.

So no doubt I think appreciation and love for what can be learned from this reality is warranted. Especially once you start looking at things from a cellular level and how it all comes together to create life forms. The very idea of Intelligent design in the first place and coming from higher density engineering is just mind-blowing to me.

I do hope by creating this thread I haven't accidentally conveyed an impression that Physicality is purposeless or there's nothing to learn from it. That wasn't the intent at all.

 

[Metrist]

Sometimes, when I feel like things are too routine and boring... I reflect on a time when things were new and wonderful - like visiting a new land or city. Then I pretend like I never was here before and look at things as if they were new. So, it's like you gain a new perspective, or you see things you missed the first time, by looking at it differently.