Do you find 'Physicality' unsettling?

[trendsetter37]

While difficult to see it entirely as a Gift, I wouldn’t say I treat the physical experience with ‘Disdain’ either, as I do respect its fundamental nature and what we all have to go through here. I think it would be incredibly dangerous and ignorant not to. Just because I dislike it or find many facets of it disturbing and disgusting, doesn’t make it less worthy of respect.

I guess you will have to give some specific examples of the "many facets" that are disturbing and disgusting. It's ok to dislike a situation but words like disgusting are emotionally charged to the point that is seems ok to equate that with contempt/disdain. The 2 bolded sentences are contradictory to me but that may be how I'm reading it.

I wouldn't say what I'm trying to describe here has much to do with the 'pain' aspect of existence, whether Physical, Mental or Emotional. But more so the Physical expression of matter itself in its myriad forms here. But I see your point and have no doubt it will be/still is with us in higher densities. And these will have to be worked through in order to progress. But again, it's not so much about that.

What do you mean by "physical expression" of matter? Remember that matter is consciousness and not something separate. I know that sounds definitive but even if we don't take what the C's have mentioned at face-value, the double slit experiment points to the same conclusion. So in that case dense matter is a variance of consciousness vs non-dense matter. If different levels of souls were hanging around together, would a higher level soul be "disgusted" by the lower level soul or just understand them as a different state of being? That's what I'm getting at here.

Put another way, this sentence kind of sounds like someone, that is fine with water, is disgusted by ice, but loves water vapor.

Ironically, I think being disgusted with or feeling victimized by "physicality" errs on the side of being identified with it.

Would you mind elaborating a bit more on this?

I've been reflecting on it, and while of course there's still a degree of identification with it (as it's all we know currently), I wouldn't say I feel "victimized" by it - sure the limitations suck, but I'm not a victim here! I chose this apparently. But I also simultaneously feel a loss of identification as well.

However, if at the core of this, what you're seeing is really ME being overly identified with Physicality somehow, I would love to know how.

I don't know you personally so it's hard to say one way or the other but the gist of my point is it may be the same scenario as seeing two people/personalities butt heads because they are very similar. That's a clunky analogy, but identifying with something isn't just when you want to be the "same" as said thing. Hatred of an aspect of someone/something can arise when you see an aspect of yourself that you do not like. It is easier to attack a thing that embodies said "negative" aspect when it is seen as separate from you rather than dealing with it directly within yourself. Does that make sense? This explanation of what I meant was hard to write out.

 

[Windmill knight]

I also thought of what Jordan Peterson says here: that limitation is an esencial part of existence and Being.

What JP is saying about limitation being essential to 'Being' is, I think, the explanation to why there is Creation. It is an idea that has been expressed in different forms in many places, including by the Cs and Laura & Ark.

The way I like to think of it is that the Absolute Being is observing and knowing itself, and it requires a 'mirror' of sorts to do so. The 'mirror' is that which is not Being, i.e. Nothingness or Non-Being. But that is just an idea, since 'Absolute nothingness' does not exist, by definition. In between Being and the idea of Non-Being, there is a whole range of levels of limitation - which implies separateness, suffering - and that is what we know as Creation. The closest Being can be to the idea of Non-Being is matter, or as Laura put it, consciousness that has 'gone to sleep'. That's how I understand it.

Therefore, we conscious units, or souls, exist as agents of Being for the purpose of knowing Being - which is another way of saying that the Universe is a giant school, and all there is, is lessons.

I think that the transcript below speaks about this in a different way:

1998-12-19:

Q: At some level, yes. So, still I ask, why, in the illusion in which we exist, or in which they exist... (A) They say here that everything is an illusion, and on the other hand they say there is consciousness and matter. Everything is an illusion? Even this?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) God is also an illusion?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Illusion to whom?

A: To those not on level 7. Your learning naturally dictates your experiences. Once you no longer require something, you naturally move beyond it. However, you retain it as a function of understanding.

Q: (A) And I am also an illusion! And understanding is also an illusion! (L) Back to my question: who created Lizzies AS LIZZIES? (A) Our illusion...

A: Everything is real, therefore, illusion is reality.

Q: (L) If everything is an illusion, from what does this illusion spring, and into what space does it spring?

A: Your consciousness.

Q: (L) Where did this consciousness originate?

A: Consciousness is the absolute, the center point.

Q: (L) Where is it centered?

A: Within the access.

Q: (L) What is the access?

A: The prompt that begets energy.

Q: (L) Of what is this energy made?

A: The consciousness.

Q: (L) Was there ever a time when this consciousness did not exist?

A: No, but there never was a time.

Q: (L) What prompted this consciousness to dream up all these illusions?

A: Need for balance. Energy cannot exist within a vacuum, therefore it must pulse. Hence you have waves.

Q: (L) You say that the impetus for dreaming up all the illusions was the need for balance; that implies imbalance, and that the imbalance was existence in a vacuum...

A: No.

Q: (L) What was the impetus for the need for balance?

A: Not a need, per se, just a natural function.

This post from 2015, from which I took the fragment, has other relevant transcripts and reflections.

Ok, maybe that's a bit too metaphysical. In regards to the topic of this thread, it boils down to physicality being necessary for learning at certain levels, such as ours. Do I find it unsettling? I'm with Alejo on this one:

But I don’t think I would personally describe it as unsettling per se, it’s something that simply is, as part of my development and the things I need to learn, the lesson plan includes and requires even, a physical existence.

Maybe the 'unsettling' part is the realization that consciousness can go into full sleep mode and forget everything? After all, our most immediate experience is with consciousness - our own consciousness, which we cannot escape (and some of us don't want to), except perhaps during deep sleep. But then we dream and God knows what else happens then. So, from this point of view, something so totally and seemingly permanently oblivious to consciousness, such as matter, can certainly be 'unsettling'.

 

[Andrew]

I guess you will have to give some specific examples of the "many facets" that are disturbing and disgusting.

Per my first post:

Everything from sensations, to smells, to the fibers that grow out of it, the fluids that are secreted from it, the process of waste disposal, bacteria that grows on it, the reproductive process, mutations that can occur, the appendages we use to interact with the external and the overall anatomy really

I think the big ones for me are waste, decay, bacteria, the spreading of germs and infections that result and resulting physical changes that can occur when disease eats away at the body or causes mutations.

For example, I was researching Lyme Disease one time and going through the images on google. I came across a picture of a dog infected by it. Inside of the Dogs ear there was this huge polyp cluster type growth protruding inside of it's ear. Typing about it right now for example, is making my skin crawl. And that image has been burned in my brain ever since. Any time I think about it I get the same type of reaction. Same happens when looking at the anatomy of the nervous system. That 'skin crawling' feeling is quite disturbing to me.

It's ok to dislike a situation but words like disgusting are emotionally charged to the point that is seems ok to equate that with contempt/disdain. The 2 bolded sentences are contradictory to me

Makes sense but I don't think so? Maybe I'm wrong?

Using the Dictionary definition of Disdain:
'to look upon or treat with contempt; despise; scorn.'

I can't say that I 'despise' or treat physicality or my body with 'contempt' for that matter. That seems a bit overboard.

I still think it's more in-line with the definition of Disgust:
'a strong distaste; nausea; loathing.'

Especially seeing as some of the Physiological responses I get from some of these things border on nausea, or that 'skin-crawling' feeling described above.

Another example would be human cleanliness or poor hygiene.

I went in to use the restroom at the place I get my hair cut today, for example. I noticed there were feces spotted all over the top of the toilet lid. I found it disgusting that whoever was responsible for that, didn't care enough to clean up after themselves. And just left it there for someone else to clean.

The other day I came across an article talking about how some people don't believe in wiping their rear-ends, and others talking about their experiences with these types of people as their spouses. And that just kind of baffled me and made me wonder how many people are out there walking around with dirty rear ends that don't care.

That to me is disgusting but part of being 3rd density; 'Uncleanliness'.

What do you mean by "physical expression" of matter? Remember that matter is consciousness and not something separate.

Yes, you're right. Perhaps I should have said "the expression of consciousness in the form of matter".

but identifying with something isn't just when you want to be the "same" as said thing. Hatred of an aspect of someone/something can arise when you see an aspect of yourself that you do not like. It is easier to attack a thing that embodies said "negative" aspect when it is seen as separate from you rather than dealing with it directly within yourself. Does that make sense? This explanation of what I meant was hard to write out.

I think so. But I think I'm going to have to reflect on this more to really say for sure. Thanks for taking the time to explain though!

 

[Courageous Inmate Sort]

Andrew, I can relate to your observations to some degree.

Its not something that bothers me too much but I have a mild aversion to biological functions, which in relation to things like waste, bacteria etc can be seen simply as an organism avoiding things that can cause it harm. I am bothered by feeling the internal functioning of the body, for instance when I feel the blood flowing in my wrists or behind my ears, it seems so fragile, as if it could stop at any moment, which can also be seen simply as an organism afraid of its own demise. And I've had moments when the body feels alien, as if I'm just wearing this strange bio-machine suit and it's not me at all, but there is also a sense of awe at its complexity. Overall I've thought of the body as my horse for this ride. It has its own wants, needs and frailties and unfortunately doesn't come with an instruction manual, but it's the one I've got and I have to learn how to use it properly and take care of it so it functions well.

The quote below might help explain why matter can seem 'unsettling', although I'm not sure of what choice Data is speaking. I suppose it relates to acknowledging and giving the proper weight to consciousness, as our ordinary (i.e., unexamined) perception of this existence is that it consists mostly of matter.

(Data) I think the C's once said that in 4D, existence is "easier" because the body is no longer a restriction, but a home. So, it seems to be the higher in density you go, the easier existence is. I want to know how that behaves when you go down in densities. Because if you follow that logic, 2D would be more difficult than 3D. Or is it that 3D is the most difficult existence?

A: 3D is the most difficult due to presence of potential balance of consciousness and matter and thus duality.

Q: (Data) And the difficult part is choice. Is that correct?

A: Yes.

I don’t think I started to consider it either until I actually had experience of ‘being out of body’. I think that’s when it really hit home that we are not ‘physical’ beings and my identification with my body lessened significantly. Then after learning about other realities and densities it just kicked it up another notch.

Have you expanded on that experience somewhere? Just curious to know what happened.

And do I really have to eat yet another meal?!

I used to love food but now I completely relate, oh, already hungry again?

 

[Renaissance]

You might be interested in Jonathan Haidt's 'Disgust Scale', and the area of disgust research that came out of his scale. He wrote about it in 'The Righteous Mind'. But here's a description:

The Disgust Scale: How have we missed this all this time? « The Jury Room

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In brief, the Disgust Scale was designed to “assess sensitivity to seven domains of potential disgust-eliciting stimuli (i.e., Food, Animals, Body Products, Sex, Body Envelope Violations, Death and Hygiene) and levels of Sympathetic Magic (i.e., beliefs about the transmission of contagion)”. The Disgust Scale was psychometrically refined by Olatunji et al. in 2007, reduced from 32 to 25 items, and from eight factors down to three factors of disgust. The citation on this post reflects the most recent iteration of the Disgust Scale-Revised.

In brief, what Olatunji and colleagues found is that disgust sensitivity is linked to being neurotic, behaviorally inhibited, and having low self-esteem. They cite three types of disgust: core, animal reminder, and contamination disgust.

Core disgust occurs when we consider spoiled milk or other foods, body wastes (e.g., feces and urine), and small animals (the researchers identify rats and cockroaches) often associated with trash and garbage. When we have an actual “oral incorporation” or feel we are threatened with one–then we experience “core disgust”. The researchers use the example of “eating monkey meat” or “meat covered in maggots” as an elicitor of core disgust.

Animal-reminder disgust occurs when we are reminded of our own mortality or our “inherent animalistic nature”. The researchers identify our attitudes toward various sex acts, injury to the body or death. When we think of these things, our sense of “animal-reminder disgust” can be activated. An example of an experience that can elicit animal-reminder disgust would be touching a dead body.

Contamination disgust is related to core disgust (and to animal-reminder disgust too) but has more to do with germs and disease. An example of this would be accidentally drinking from the cup of someone who is obviously ill and our fears we would catch whatever they have elicits contamination disgust. Another example could be concerns about contagion from HIV or the ebola virus.

These researchers were interested in the relationship of disgust to clinical mental health symptoms and report the anxiety disorders are particularly sensitive to disgust. For example, spider phobias, contamination-based obsessive-compulsive disorder, fear of animals, social anxiety disorder, agoraphobia, panic disorder are all closely related to one’s “disgust sensitivity”. So, we know you are wondering what kinds of questions would help you measure disgust sensitivity and, for once, we don’t have to tell you since you can see for yourself. You can take the Revised Disgust Scale to see your own scores by going to Haidt’s website, YourMorals.org and registering. (Then go to the ‘explore your morals’ page and choose the disgust scale).

I tend to think our physical body is a profound 'signaling' machine. If you're getting messages that 'something isn't right' by existing in your body, maybe it's your body telling you 'something isn't right'? From what you've written, it sounds like your 'disgust signal' has been set on overdrive. The body can store stress and trauma and if such things are rejected for any number of reasons (mainly from automatic and unconscious programs), that can make the body a very uncomfortable place! Somatic bodywork (check out Peter Levine's work as well as Healing Developmental Trauma) is largely based in getting back into the body. This can actually be essential for health. This is not to say that you are disordered, or that disgust in certain things are 'bad', because this emotion is one basis for order and growth when directed appropriately. But in the extreme, it seems like it could lead to some problems that relate to control, stress, anxiety, etc. and since that stress can get stored in an 'unfelt' body, it leads to a negative feedback mechanism creating an ever worsening condition.

 

[Keit]

I tend to think our physical body is a profound 'signaling' machine. If you're getting messages that 'something isn't right' by existing in your body, maybe it's your body telling you 'something isn't right'?

I agree with Renaissance.

Not saying that what you are feeling has no merit, Andrew. I think many here would agree that sometimes physical existence can be very taxing.

At the same time my personal observation is, that being in the body isn't really an obstacle to personal development and growth. In fact, as was metioned by others, the limitations it provides act as a catalyst of this growth.

So if you are feeling such strong unease and emotions, or simply spend more time thinking about it, it is probably a good idea to explore why this is so.

I think that it is very possible that your feelings are genuine. Now you need to make sure that these signals are being interpreted correctly.

 

[Michael B-C]

For all the disquiet and discomfort of this life, as trendsetter37 has wisely suggested we should beware identification with ones own emotions around the issue (which are - or should perhaps be - transient). I vaguely remember a passage from David Ovason's The Zelator in which some kind of spiritual 'master' talks through all the levels of being from the very highest possible finally coming down to matter at the supposed bottom of the spiritual ladder only to confess that, to the esotericist, matter remains the greatest mystery of them all. So despite the challenges and sense of alienation we should work to be stoically more patient and also ever grateful for the chance we have been given/taken.

I find that, despite my immense limitations, not only is there great solace in the pieces of knowledge that have come my way, (especially thanks to Laura and this forum), but also in an emerging clarity of the purposeful nature of all levels of being in the universe of which we are just one - and that everything plays its part in the greater good (for everything is a name of god).

And above all that we should strive to constantly perceive this, to observe ourselves in and yet not wholly a product of this world. If we can but come out from our shell of self obsessed existence and extend ourselves outwardly into a form of unity and connection with it then the absolute wonder of the natural order that surrounds us (including repugnant odders, death, decay. etc) becomes ever more resonant with meaning and deeper purpose – and by default so do we, for if bacteria can and do strive so should we. As I get older I find other life forms, whatever their perceived 'beauty', to be more and more miraculous and unveiling of truth and my own personal and clumsy wanderings through life less isolating. Brings to mind the below:

“This dread and darkness of the mind cannot be dispelled by sunbeams, the shining shafts of day, but only by an understanding of the outward form and inner workings of nature.”

Lucretius, BOOK VI. METEOROLOGY AND GEOLOGY, 1st Century BC

 

[Alejo]

I was thinking about something else that may or may not be useful.

It may be a thing with certain people to be kind of squeamish, and that probably has a role within a community for hygiene. I remember watching my 3 year old niece years ago and how she seemed to be naturally overtly cleanliness driven. Most kids would be ok getting dirty and playing in the ground, but she was repulsed to the feeling to dirty hands and feet, it was rather cute and funny to witness.

Imagine a 3 year old playing and having fun as they do and then whenever her hands touched something dirty, she’d just stop and try to clean her hands trying not to make any other part of her being dirty, lol it was adorable. You could almost see her thought process.

This has changed overtime but the point I was trying to make was that, maybe as pointed above there’s a role that this disgust has and it’s in overdrive in you for some reason that you may be unaware of. And funny enough, this disgust could be geared towards maintaining your physical body healthy and alive.

Another thing I wanted to share that may help was that, the more I learned the more I came to appreciate the process of disposal and decay in the body, it truly is an outstanding machine that has a level of intelligence that I can’t begin to comprehend.

Think of a pimple, something so annoying that we almost detest, the process through which that occurs is actually quite incredible; the recognition and isolation and subsequent secretion... all happening away from your consciousness.

Even bacterial presence in our environment is fascinating, I remember reading somewhere that were actually more bacteria than man. And when you think about this and how the bacteria in your body actually is in synchronized with the bacteria you come in contact with and how this informs your immune system’s ability to deal with life, it makes you grow some appreciation for it.

Another thing that has helped me in this matter is infections and viral presence. If you consider them not only as annoying and sometimes painful events and see them also as information delivery devices, you start to appreciate them also. To consider that awful cold as your body assimilating new information that could be adding complexity to your being (including your soul) is perhaps a low consolation but it adds a whole new dimension in my view.

Anyway, just a few thoughts that occurred to me as I was reading some of these replies, looking forward to seeing what you discover.

 

[Courageous Inmate Sort]

I'm reading a supposedly non-fiction book about a man that is in a coma in the 1920s but meanwhile lives another life in the distant future when people have a greater understanding of reality. There he is told this parable which relates to some of the more metaphysical stuff being discussed and living in a 'dirty place'. The book is Chronicles from the Future.

Millions of small beings are born and die in a closed, dark, dirty place. This place, which for us humans is nothing other than the inside of a flute, is for these little creatures their whole world, their entire universe, their natural habitat and they don’t imagine that there might be something else outside of it. Suppose now that they are endowed with an element of intellect and are aware of the ugliness and darkness of their world. Their very brief lives—about seventeen human minutes—flow monotonously, generation after generation; it is a constricted life of endless boredom.

Every now and then, however, some extremely distant echoes of a harmony, which they never could have imagined existed, reach their weak sense organs. And in surprise, the small creatures wonder where such wonderful harmonies could be coming from.

With the passage of time, some of these creatures, their “spiritual leaders”, managed to see and feel that their dark prison was not everything and that their world was something minimal compared to the ‘whole’ that existed. Very few of these creatures saw and understood this at first and the rest of them considered the few crazy. But in the end, the existence of other worlds and realities became common knowledge and became a shared faith. These tiny little creatures finally realised that what really exists, objective reality, was far bigger than their dark world.

And according to Stefan, this is the most important point of the parable: “You explain to them that their natural environment is only a part of this Great Reality, this great harmony, and that it’s even essential for its completion,” writes Tinersen, “but it is impossible for them to believe it. They argue that there is nothing wonderful about this bit they live and this place they live it in and that it couldn’t possibly be part of such incredible beauty since it would spoil it.” These tiny creatures were unable to understand the meaning, purpose and mission of a life that is committed to the whole.

I’m thinking that these people have either reached a whole new level of knowledge and spirituality or they are in desperate need of a cure for their childlike gullibility. Nevertheless, I understand the joy and the incredible spiritual happiness that fills these people’s lives. As Stefan reminds me all the time: “We don’t just believe in it; we’ve seen it!”

 

[Andrew]

From what you've written, it sounds like your 'disgust signal' has been set on overdrive. The body can store stress and trauma and if such things are rejected for any number of reasons (mainly from automatic and unconscious programs), that can make the body a very uncomfortable place!

Renaissance, thank you so much for bringing this to the thread! This actually explains so much for myself. I went ahead and took the test and scored a 22.5

It says in the test:

The average score for American adult samples is approximately 16 (14 for men, 18 for women). Higher numbers indicate that a person is more disgust sensitive than average.

So, my sensitivity definitely seems to be on overdrive. I'm just happy to actually have some kind of insight into why the heck my brain is functioning this way.

Somatic bodywork (check out Peter Levine's work as well as Healing Developmental Trauma) is largely based in getting back into the body.

I'm going to have to go back and re-read HDT and look into Peter Levine's work. Is 'In An Unspoken Voice: How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness' - the book to read?

But in the extreme, it seems like it could lead to some problems that relate to control, stress, anxiety, etc. and since that stress can get stored in an 'unfelt' body, it leads to a negative feedback mechanism creating an ever worsening condition.

Oh it no doubt leads to control, stress and anxiety issues that I would love to be free of. I completely saw myself in this section you posted here:

These researchers were interested in the relationship of disgust to clinical mental health symptoms and report the anxiety disorders are particularly sensitive to disgust. For example, spider phobias, contamination-based obsessive-compulsive disorder, fear of animals, social anxiety disorder, agoraphobia, panic disorder are all closely related to one’s “disgust sensitivity”.

I've experienced everything in bold to a pretty high degree at various times in my life. I've gotten a decent handle on the majority of them (agoraphopia/social anxiety/panic attacks) for the most part. But I still experience anxiety quite a bit and spiders still give me the heebie-jeebies.

Interesting that Spider phobia was specifically mentioned here.

I can recall when I was maybe 3 or 4 when I walked in on my parents watching 'Arachnophobia' - I saw one scene form that movie and I've been traumatized for life.

Thank you again for your insight here and posting this. I've got my work cut out for me in digging deeper into this.

 

[Renaissance]

Is 'In An Unspoken Voice: How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness' - the book to read?

Yeah, that's a good one. There's a thread on the book here.

You might also try doing the Arky Chu Gong exercise routine.

It seems to do some pretty amazing stuff, namely in working with the 'core', which has a strong relation to storing and releasing stress. At the extreme, our stress/trauma response has us curling up in a ball. It is a protective measure, but left on it's own it becomes restrictive. Even if circumstances aren't extreme, every-day stress has our muscles contracting inward. Consider how bad things can get over the course of our life when so many stresses aren't released! This does all sorts of stuff to our spine and in turn our nervous system as tense muscles put tension on various vertebrae and the nerve systems they correspond with [side note, I actually think the anatomy of our nervous system is pretty beautiful and reminds me of trees and their roots]. These exercises stretch that ball out to allow a more unhindered flow of our body's electrical system (that's how I see it anyway).

There was a video posted in that thread on trauma releasing exercises, and this ties into Levine's work in activating the body's natural ability to process stress/trauma through tremoring. This is a pathway that is inherent, but it's like we have to learn or relearn how to engage it. I've only been doing these exercises for this past week, but am pretty floored by the results.

Here's the video mentioned in the thread:

 

[Andrew]

Thanks everyone for your additional responses! A lot to think about here. I think what Renaissance posted has really helped shed some light on what may be going on. So just wanted to thank you all in case I didn't have anything additional to add, aside from the posts I'm quoting below. :)

Sometimes, when I feel like things are too routine and boring... I reflect on a time when things were new and wonderful - like visiting a new land or city. Then I pretend like I never was here before and look at things as if they were new. So, it's like you gain a new perspective, or you see things you missed the first time, by looking at it differently.

Ya know, I was kind of doing something similar in the past. Although not specifically during reflection, but more of an active practice in the moment. I mentioned it here briefly in the May 18th session thread:

Roughly around the same time Laura stated (3 weeks or so) I've been noticing that my 'reality' had started to 'feel' different. [...] Some involved places that I frequent daily all of a sudden taking on a different 'feel' to them. Almost like 'something was changed' - maybe me?

At the time, I was working on changing the thoughts allowed in my head and in so doing, experienced what was described above which is kind of similar to what you described in the sense that things felt 'new'. Everything around me started to feel 'new'. I started to notice things I hadn't before. Flora and fauna for example was no longer just a blur that was ignored in my day-to-day life. Things also felt more 'colorful'.

Thanks for mentioning this Metrist!

The closest Being can be to the idea of Non-Being is matter, or as Laura put it, consciousness that has 'gone to sleep'. That's how I understand it.

Therefore, we conscious units, or souls, exist as agents of Being for the purpose of knowing Being - which is another way of saying that the Universe is a giant school, and all there is, is lessons.

In relation to the idea of 'Non-Being as matter', this particular section in the Wave Volume 3 recently had quite an effect on me:

Now, a human being, in general, is under the powerful influence of the matter of which his body is constructed. Matter is the result of the STS. The thought of Non-being or sleeping consciousness of God. Therefore, by being in third density, to a great extent, man is asleep. He is under the influence of the frequency of the STS polarity. His frequency resonance vibration is STS, or that of matter. The Predator’s mind.

I don't think I had ever really realized or considered that our bodies, by their nature as 'matter', are reflections of STS or the Thought-Center of 'Non-Being'. And by inhabiting a body composed of 'matter' we're saturated by the direct influence of STS - making it even more challenging to "exist as agents of Being for the purpose of knowing Being" as you stated above.

In all honesty, that really depressed me out.

The quote below might help explain why matter can seem 'unsettling', although I'm not sure of what choice Data is speaking. I suppose it relates to acknowledging and giving the proper weight to consciousness, as our ordinary (i.e., unexamined) perception of this existence is that it consists mostly of matter.

Ya, this makes sense. Thanks!

Have you expanded on that experience somewhere? Just curious to know what happened.

Maybe briefly somewhere. I'll try and keep this short.

When I was 17/18(?) (30 now) a friend told me of an experience he had where he left his body during a deep mediation and walked around our city. This was a completely foreign concept to me. But I wanted to see it for myself. I bought a book on Astral Projection and started studying and practicing for months.

One night I reached a deep state of meditation to where I no longer felt my body. Next, I felt my self 'float' upwards toward the ceiling. Then I felt myself stop at the ceiling. After a moment, I passed through the ceiling into the room above and opened my eyes to find my self standing in it.

Reality around me looked desaturated and had a 'greyish' tint to it. In front of me were windows that overlooked my street. I recalled that in the Astral solid matter can be passed through so I tested it. I moved to the window and put my hand against it. It felt solid like any window would. I added some additional force and my hand passed right through it. I then put my body through it and found myself on the roof of my house overlooking my street.

I noticed there was a van pulling away from my neighbors house to the left of me with a trail of toilet paper streaming from the passengers side window. I then noticed my neighbors house had been toilet papered.

Next, I walked to the edge of my roof and jumped down. Now, gravity acted completely different. I didn't just 'drop'. I floated down and gently landed in my yard. Next, I walked over to the hedges that separated my house from my neighbors and 'jumped' to their roof. This was done in one fell swoop and again just kind of floated over to it. I then jumped to the roof of the house next to theirs, and once there, wanted to test 'flying'.

I jumped from their roof with the intent of flying and all I can say is that it had everything to do with intent, will and believing it was possible. I've had many experiences with 'flying' but in this instance (If I recall correctly), I began flying extremely fast over the neighborhood below and reached a point where I lost conscious awareness of what was happening and the experience ended.

I woke up the next morning to pull in/take out(?) the garbage cans and noticed that my neighbors house had been toilet papered which gave credibility to the experience. At the time I thought this was so great and amazing until I started to get visits by some pretty nasty entities and shut the experiment down.

This has changed overtime but the point I was trying to make was that, maybe as pointed above there’s a role that this disgust has and it’s in overdrive in you for some reason that you may be unaware of. And funny enough, this disgust could be geared towards maintaining your physical body healthy and alive.

Agreed. So I'm going to start with Renaissances suggestions to hopefully help get a better understanding.

the more I learned the more I came to appreciate the process of disposal and decay in the body, it truly is an outstanding machine that has a level of intelligence that I can’t begin to comprehend.

Ya, no doubt. The intelligence behind creation/reality (even to the tiniest extent we are capable of comprehending) is simply mind-blowing. And I think I can say that I do appreciate these things also. Maybe not to the same extent without additional Knowledge. But I think what really affects me the most is the Physiological responses I get from visually seeing these things. For some reason when I 'see' some of the things I mentioned it triggers pain(?)/discomfort (to varying levels of severity) in my body.

If you consider them not only as annoying and sometimes painful events and see them also as information delivery devices, you start to appreciate them also.

It might not be so much that these things are 'annoying' as I may have miscommunicated from my experience; but more so the hyper-awareness of the effect these things have on me that is 'annoying'. Whereas in a normal healthy brain, I doubt those Physiological responses would be present. So the unwanted stress it creates does become annoying.

Yeah, that's a good one. There's a thread on the book here.

You might also try doing the Arky Chu Gong exercise routine.

Thanks Renaissance. I'm going to give this exercise routine a try. I'm not very good at relaxing. And I feel like my body is a storage-house for stress. As I know very well from Anxiety, I'm constantly constricting my muscles unnecessarily.

This does all sorts of stuff to our spine and in turn our nervous system as tense muscles put tension on various vertebrae and the nerve systems they correspond with [side note, I actually think the anatomy of our nervous system is pretty beautiful and reminds me of trees and their roots].

I've been having some pretty painful lower-back issues (think it's related to sitting too much) so hoping it can also help with this also.

Wish I could have that same perception of the nervous system, but that's another one of those things that gives me the heebie jeebies when looking at it. Same goes for the roots of a tree. OH man what is wrong with me

 

[Metrist]

I've been having some pretty painful lower-back issues (think it's related to sitting too much) so hoping it can also help with this also.

My back hurts from time to time - it just starts hurting by moving my body in a certain way, and it stiffens up my muscles so bad it is hard to stand straight. And this has been something I had as long as I can remember. It doesn't do this all the time, maybe twice a year. But it can bother me for days or weeks.

So recently I discovered a way to relieve the muscle tightness...

Normally, when you try to straighten your back in this condition, my knees bend. And that doesn't help. So I stood next to a wall and stood on my toes, and then this allows me to straighten my back. It is instant relief. And so once I'm straighten, I walk on my toes for a while.

 

[Andrew]

Normally, when you try to straighten your back in this condition, my knees bend. And that doesn't help. So I stood next to a wall and stood on my toes, and then this allows me to straighten my back. It is instant relief. And so once I'm straighten, I walk on my toes for a while.

I will give this a shot! Thanks for the tip Metrist!