does anyone recognise this?

[anart]

Good grief, calm down everyone.

You appear to be projecting. Did this upset you so much that you needed to calm yourself down?

 

[Cosmos]

As for 580 posts. that blows me away, as i feel like i am still new here.

It seems to me that your actions on the forum clearly speak for itself.
you are quite some time a member of this forum but your actions are really like that of
a newbie who hasn't done the work on the self enough.
OSIT

 

[Al Today]

As for 580 posts. that blows me away, as i feel like i am still new here.

It seems to me that your actions on the forum clearly speak for itself.
you are quite some time a member of this forum but your actions are really like that of
a newbie who hasn't done the work on the self enough.
OSIT

This seems to be a derogatory insinuation. Tell me if I am indeed wrong in thinking. Pointing fingers as written lends an appearance of someone viewing another from above. Each of us are on are own path at much different points along that path. As long as one tries to do the Work, no matter how they fall and pick themselves up to continue the Work, doesn't deserve comments as such. Methinks this is an uncalled for comment that projects pride and self important ego... Methinks compare is the operative word. How to compare one to another? And more importantly, Why compare?

 

[Al Today]

Actually I am really surprised and also slightly annoyed that someone with 580 posts on this forum would open a thread like this.

Perhaps this comment is also of the same nature as my previous perceived observation. I may be confused.

This will probably be , but I want to maintain context in what I'm about to say.

I think to be noticing some of us with short fuses. MYSELF included. In another thread, I was thinking about opening a thread on what is going on with me me me, but I'm not going to complain when I think the need is to maintain mayself, ride out the storm so to say. One point I think to understand is that nothing remains the same forever. All things change. I think to understand why, what and how I am right now, but now... I am questioning my self-important observations.

Are many of us that tense and short fused, feeling pressure? Am I not the only one walking a tight-wire? Or is my reading instrument in need of a major tune up?

 

[davey72]

I do appreciate that Al Today, and i do realize that i have a lot of work to do. Perhaps i am just not as smart Pashalis, but i am trying. I suppose it is all i can really do at this point. I decided to " put myself out there" so to speak on this forum, in the hopes that this is the one and only place i can do this. I have been very shy and reserved all my life, and i felt that i needed whatever "shocks" may come of it. I didn't set out making myself look like an idiot, but it seems to be what i have inadvertantly done. In the past i would just burn this bridge, and start again somewhere else, but i am done running. It is what it is, and i am what i am. I am sorry if i have been an obstruction to anyone on their own particular path, but apparently this is my path. I can only hope that someone, at some time will get something out of this. I supposedly have a pretty high I.Q., but was brought up being told i was stupid, and had people getting me high since i was at least 4 yrs old, so i have never really learned how to use my intellect in a constructive manner. I am shy, not very well spoken, and have severe social anxiety, the work of which is taking up a lot of my time lately, as i am clean for the first time since i was a child. Anyways,perhaps this noise should just be deleted then.

 

[anart]

I do appreciate that Al Today, and i do realize that i have a lot of work to do. Perhaps i am just not as smart Pashalis, but i am trying. I suppose it is all i can really do at this point. I decided to " put myself out there" so to speak on this forum, in the hopes that this is the one and only place i can do this. I have been very shy and reserved all my life, and i felt that i needed whatever "shocks" may come of it. I didn't set out making myself look like an idiot, but it seems to be what i have inadvertantly done. In the past i would just burn this bridge, and start again somewhere else, but i am done running. It is what it is, and i am what i am. I am sorry if i have been an obstruction to anyone on their own particular path, but apparently this is my path. I can only hope that someone, at some time will get something out of this. I supposedly have a pretty high I.Q., but was brought up being told i was stupid, and had people getting me high since i was at least 4 yrs old, so i have never really learned how to use my intellect in a constructive manner. I am shy, not very well spoken, and have severe social anxiety, the work of which is taking up a lot of my time lately, as i am clean for the first time since i was a child. Anyways,perhaps this noise should just be deleted then.

As long as you are sincere and trying, there is no issue. You did state earlier that you were 'occasionally' still using drugs, though, and that is an issue. The forum isn't going to stop pointing out to you when you inject noise, just because you've had a difficult life - most, if not all, of us have as well in many different ways. If it's not pointed out to you, you never learn and that's the whole point of being here. Steady as she goes.

 

[Cosmos]

I do appreciate that Al Today, and i do realize that i have a lot of work to do. Perhaps i am just not as smart Pashalis, but i am trying. I suppose it is all i can really do at this point. I decided to " put myself out there" so to speak on this forum, in the hopes that this is the one and only place i can do this. I have been very shy and reserved all my life, and i felt that i needed whatever "shocks" may come of it. I didn't set out making myself look like an idiot, but it seems to be what i have inadvertantly done. In the past i would just burn this bridge, and start again somewhere else, but i am done running. It is what it is, and i am what i am. I am sorry if i have been an obstruction to anyone on their own particular path, but apparently this is my path. I can only hope that someone, at some time will get something out of this. I supposedly have a pretty high I.Q., but was brought up being told i was stupid, and had people getting me high since i was at least 4 yrs old, so i have never really learned how to use my intellect in a constructive manner. I am shy, not very well spoken, and have severe social anxiety, the work of which is taking up a lot of my time lately, as i am clean for the first time since i was a child. Anyways,perhaps this noise should just be deleted then.

my intention was not to hurt you and you are not an obstruction to anyones path.
quite the opposite is the case I learn as you learn and we learn from eachother.
and quite frankly Al Todays post about my last post gave me a pause to rethink myself and how I wrote what I wrote.
the way I wrote my last Post can really be interpretet as derogatory but that was not my intention.

I'm familiar with the things you are writing as I had also a Drug problem not so long ago.
great to hear you are clean ! keep strong, I know it is hard especially in the beginning, but as time progresses you will see that it gets easier and easier.
I'm also a very shy Person and have Social anxiety so we are not that different ;).
you can read more about it here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23492.msg259372.html#msg259372

PS: to be really clean you have to stop using it completly. no excuses. it will take time for you and your body to fully recover.

 

[Z...]

Perhaps this comment is also of the same nature as my previous perceived observation. I may be confused.

Or is my reading instrument in need of a major tune up?

Rather then short-fused I think this forum is very gentle and patient, but disruptive behavior needs to be pointed out. There is no gentle way around this.
In any case Anart has already elaborated enough on this in her reply to Davey.


Number of posts on this forum does come with certain responsibility and again there is no gentle way around this.

 

[whitecoast]

EDIT: I just wanted to add, although i may be wrong, but i seem to have noticed a recurring theme here on the forum. Why is it that posts that are deemed to be --noise-- seem to have the biggest flurry of posts? one right after another, and almost all of them with seemingly emotional attachment. Short of the administrators in most cases, of course. Am i onto something, or am i just adding more noise?

I noticed something like this myself (noise posts drawing lots of attention). FWIW, I think that's just part of how flagging posts on forums work. It probably notifies mods, making them more likely to visit and comment on a particular thread. I've never been a forum mod so I don't know for certain though.

Another reason could be that a good and informative thread challenges the readers to also contribute something valuable and constructive to the dialogue, meaning less gets posted but the noise level stays down. Threads that are noise (or otherwise incoherent) are easier to find problems with, drawing people who either want to give constructive criticism or dismiss and condescend to feel superior to the poster. On this forum I tend to notice it's more of the former and less of the latter, thankfully.

 

[realitybugll]

I don't see Davey72's post as noise. Yes, he started a topic, about a very trivial thing... and maybe now thinking about it he could of specified the subject / title more, and quoted some of the document... but it is harmless. because someone knows the answer or doesn't, and that is it. Noise to me, is detracting from a certain discussion, with unimportant confusing contribution. Starting a topic is a little different. though in the array of recent discussions maybe this does distract from more important things. It is different. not "direct noise".

Also the reason I am thinking this is because I have asked for help to find things on the forum, once a quote, and another time a sott.net article. both times I got helped.

I kind of realize it is trivial though. Maybe the reason I did this, or Davey72 about help with recognition, is a desire to communicate about something else with people here, so instead when I find any other reason to make a post, I do it. something like that. Or it is just Laziness, inconsideration.

Anyways I found 2 of the posters comments that Al pointed out harsh as well. Pashalis, I notice you speak similarly harsh a few different times... communication in person I see it can be said in a nice way however, but online I interpret different.

Rather then short-fused I think this forum is very gentle and patient, but disruptive behavior needs to be pointed out. There is no gentle way around this.
In any case Anart has already elaborated enough on this in her reply to Davey.

Number of posts on this forum does come with certain responsibility and again there is no gentle way around this.

So I already wrote I don't see Davey72's post as disruptive...more like marginally disruptive... also I think it could be said more gentle. The message still gets across if it is written "Davey72, this post is noise because..." or "Why did you start a thread about..."

when you say "I'm slightly annoyed" this seems like it can create a feeding dynamic, then I personally can imagine feeling anger or resent.

 

[Muxel]

I decided to " put myself out there" so to speak on this forum, in the hopes that this is the one and only place i can do this. I have been very shy and reserved all my life, and i felt that i needed whatever "shocks" may come of it.

Thank you for sharing this, davey. I too have social anxiety, and it reassures me greatly to know that I have this forum to interact in. I think I can understand why you felt comfortable enough to approach this forum with something deemed "noise".
[quote author=davey72]
I am sorry if i have been an obstruction to anyone on their own particular path, but apparently this is my path. I can only hope that someone, at some time will get something out of this.
[/quote]
I did. This thread may have been "noise" but it taught me several things after all... and now the lines seem blurred to me. The oft-repeated "All Is Lessons" would well describe it.

 

[obyvatel]

I don't see Davey72's post as noise. Yes, he started a topic, about a very trivial thing... and maybe now thinking about it he could of specified the subject / title more, and quoted some of the document... but it is harmless. because someone knows the answer or doesn't, and that is it. Noise to me, is detracting from a certain discussion, with unimportant confusing contribution. Starting a topic is a little different. though in the array of recent discussions maybe this does distract from more important things. It is different. not "direct noise".

You are entitled to your own personal opinion on this. Also, keep in mind this from the Forum Guidelines

You will also be notified if your posts are deemed by the moderators (who have experience with this, by the way) to be "noise".

Designating something as noise does not necessarily mean that someone is being judged harshly; it is merely a reminder that what is posted is against the spirit of the way this forum is structured to function.

EDIT: I just wanted to add, although i may be wrong, but i seem to have noticed a recurring theme here on the forum. Why is it that posts that are deemed to be --noise-- seem to have the biggest flurry of posts? one right after another, and almost all of them with seemingly emotional attachment. Short of the administrators in most cases, of course. Am i onto something, or am i just adding more noise?

Noisy posts create a disturbance in the forum environment as they go against the spirit in which discussions usually take place. This disturbance may cause members to react emotionally. At the end of the day, it is largely a waste of energy which could be used in more productive ways to help oneself and others to learn - which is the reason for flagging noisy posts and keeping them under check. One could say one learned something from noise (like Muxel mentioned here) - but the same lesson could possibly have been learnt in a better way with less expenditure of energy all around.

 

[Mr. Premise]

Wetroof, I think your definition of 'noise' is not the right one in this context. 'Noise' here is an information/communication science term as in the signal to noise ratio. Signal means useful information or communication and noise means anything else. In that context it doesn't mean 'loud'.

 

[realitybugll]

Both of the posts I mentioned seemed unnecessarily harsh to me. But I thought about this more...and it is a good question whether to be honest or considerate. To me this is a fourth way group in a sense, so then I think honesty is good. But also it is the internet and most people don't know most others that well--so because of this I think considerate is best. So it's an open question to me.

Why did I need to post the previous time? I was upset. probably not that useful to post in this manner considering noise/signal.

 

[Danse la vie]

Maybe the reason I did this, or Davey72 about help with recognition, is a desire to communicate about something else with people here, so instead when I find any other reason to make a post, I do it. something like that.

Oh yes for Davey maybe something like that.
I have raised several children other than the one I gave birth to. I never hoped that they would integrate any stable knowledge before they would manage to integrate a base any human needs experiencing: knowledge shared with love.

As young adults then, when in trouble not all were able to word their needs clearly.
One would call and say “Mom, I don’t need you to come, I just need to hear your voice, just talk to me to lower the physical pain, and then perhaps I’ll need to talk about what happened”. But one of them had to be monitored several days while he was losing track again and again. Some of my children would word needs that could appear childish or ask something for something else. They would call and say “I can no more sleep, may I come overnight to your home to be able to sleep again”, or “I don’t manage to even start a student work that is due in a short delay, may I come, I know I can do it with you around”.

They did not need my help, only the experience of being not dumb, but welcome, safe in a adult’s look whatever immature their questions may appear outside. I answered yes, until they came to integrate the safety of an adult’s benevolent look on their lives. Then their “children’s requests” naturally disappeared.

I decided to " put myself out there" so to speak on this forum, in the hopes that this is the one and only place i can do this. I have been very shy and reserved all my life, and i felt that i needed whatever "shocks" may come of it.

Davey, your posts are among the ones I read with the most attention. I did notice you are a human who never makes projections on anybody. It is rare. Your decision to -“put yourself” on this forum - “whatever "shocks" may come of it” is in my eyes one of a high conscience. I read every of your posts I come across in checking the recent posts, even the ones where you reply to older threads. In those moments I am calling you as I did then with my children, I only do not write these calls in posts. Still I hope you receive my messages.

Among those who are seeking to “see the unseen”, some might be already happy to read the unwritten, thanks to you. Who knows one day, some may even find that you are a living book of “secret” teachings for themselves. A book that could make them cry… Hence the emotional attachment in their posts right now.

And to your request “does anyone recognise this?”, they might read several layers of meaning, and answer you how they indeed recognize your need for at least one family member to voice you a caring reply on whatever matter, in just one short post containing a sign that they care for who you are, whatever trivially worded your question might apparently have been.

Danse la vie