Don't flatter yourselves.

[axj]

I think his whole point was: "you are still STS, therefore you will act STS on this forum too".

It is more accurate to say that we are partly STS and partly STO while working towards a bigger STO alignment. And of course none of us are perfect and we all make mistakes. What matters is to do our best and of course learn from our mistakes as well.

 

[lainey]

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Ok so it's an outward blaming for the pain within, he can't bear to look at himself so he is searching for the enemy out there and the biggest enemy is the one who has the potential to expose the predator so he wants to protect himself from that by attacking or teaching us we are wrong.

That is one of the possibilities. Other possibilities include

- self importance/right man syndrome/ Dunning Kruger effect

- trolling for lulz

Not everyone blames and projects due to inner pain.

Yep, I agree. Don't think it would be wise to automatically assume that DAGIAL's behaviour stems from neuroticism. Like George Simon describes in Character disturbance, its just as likely that behaviours like this originate in and are the workings of a malformed narcissistic-type personality, in which case: possibly the worst thing someone can do is to treat them in the same way that they would treat the neurotic individual, because the character disturbed individual simply thrives from the attention. But ofc we cannot be sure about DAGIAL
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Ok, I think I'm getting a better handle on it. We just can't know for sure. I guess I wanted there to be a clear cut reason so I could understand his actions and therefore be able to spot it again but it's not that easy.
Thanks for your responses

 

[cliftonedward]

The initial comment clearly conveys the frustration of many seeking valid discourse on this forum. 'Feeling as if you know everything' is most certainly a point on the spiritual road. However, the further point of 'the more I know the less I know' is a far more functional place and aides the communication process greatly. Laura doesn't need any defense. Her words and work speak for themselves. Further, 'I know more than you' style comments add to the perception of a cult by the outside world. It is not a cult. Your either in or your out. Donations accepted but no money asked. It is knowledge and nothing more. The true treasure is how the knowledge can be applied in ones journey on the road. And one of the greatest bits of insight gleamed from the readings is humbleness. :)

 

[sitting]

The initial comment clearly conveys the frustration of many seeking valid discourse on this forum.

Laura doesn't need any defense. Her words and work speak for themselves.

'I know more than you' style comments add to the perception of a cult by the outside world.

Hi CEC,

I agree with all three points above.

The first and last are intimately related I think. Often one driving the other, a reinforcing cycle. I believe all can benefit by greater introspection. For forum members to look deeper within themselves--each time before answering. Knowing that it too is a lesson for them as well.

The middle comment I think really is the central point. Through Laura's efforts, we now have this ark. It's important we see its life giving nature ... and not complain about the color of the paint. And it starts with humility I think.

There's a reason Castaneda called self importance a great enemy. And why Buddhists lay claim to the idea of no-self.

FWIW.

 

[goyacobol]

[...]
Unity, or non-duality is the ultimate goal. All can agree. (Goyacobol has the references if needed). The real question is the process of getting there.

I know the ever present emphasis of all here regarding the Work. I'm deeply in it too. I think sometimes it's useful to ask oneself "what exactly am I aiming for--with this Work?" And answering it in very specific terms. This question needs to surface more often, I think. (It might be useful if someone here took the time and effort to spell out exactly what the aim of their Work is). It may help clarify lots of things I think.

The C's have suggested karmic & simple understandings. I take that to mean distillation-- from the complex psychological battles in our minds ... refined into something basic & universal. Pain, suffering, agony, joy, acceptance, detachment, no-self even--may all be a part of that distillation process.

Speaking for myself only, that's the direction I'm headed. And from that perspective, even graduation isn't really the top priority. If I miss out, I will simply come back and do it all over again. Ultimately, it's the process itself that matters. I believe that's the true meaning of "value fulfillment" in Seth's terms. And it's entirely experiential.

FWIW.

sitting,

I kind of "accidentally" saw this post and I have just had the thought we may have been together in a previous life (perhaps as Buddhist monks? ). You say the darnedest things that get me pondering. I relate to what you say in a surprising way. The "it's the process itself that matters" really stands out to me. Also the "distillation" idea from complex to the "simple understandings" is something is think is very important. It is like I am remembering concepts that I have forgotten. And I also think of you as a friend even though we haven't met other than here (here is it more just meeting of the minds I guess).

My apologies to the forum members who may think this is too personal or being irrelevant.

 

[BHelmet]

[...]
Unity, or non-duality is the ultimate goal. All can agree. (Goyacobol has the references if needed). The real question is the process of getting there.

I know the ever present emphasis of all here regarding the Work. I'm deeply in it too. I think sometimes it's useful to ask oneself "what exactly am I aiming for--with this Work?" And answering it in very specific terms. This question needs to surface more often, I think. (It might be useful if someone here took the time and effort to spell out exactly what the aim of their Work is). It may help clarify lots of things I think.
...... And it's entirely experiential.

sitting,

I kind of "accidentally" saw this post and I have just had the thought we may have been together in a previous life (perhaps as Buddhist monks? ). You say the darnedest things that get me pondering. I relate to what you say in a surprising way. The "it's the process itself that matters" really stands out to me. Also the "distillation" idea from complex to the "simple understandings" is something is think is very important. It is like I am remembering concepts that I have forgotten. And I also think of you as a friend even though we haven't met other than here (here is it more just meeting of the minds I guess).

My apologies to the forum members who may think this is too personal or being irrelevant.

No apologies needed, goyacobol. I had a friend in Jr High - we laughed ourselves silly developing our Theory of Progressive-Regression. Later a psychic told me we were buddhist monks in a past life together. So, I can relate. We even had memories come back.

I would say the upshot of all the mental machinations is just that: being. Real being. Getting 'there'? There is no where to get! That is the zen 2x4 over the head! LOL