Dump the Dollar!: How the World Can Stop Bush

[Renaissance]

And you all think the other outside of SotT writers profiled on SotT - left, right, center, libertarian, etc. - are any better, brighter and more insightful than PCR?

The only way to really address the issue is by dealing with the content, what is the truth? It seems to me that your attachment to PCR in this situation is hindering you from asking such questions. I noticed that you don't post in the 'Work' forum, which is understandable as not everyone who visits the forum or the SotT is interested in esoteric material. However, the Work and building an immune system against ponergenic infection have a lot of parallels and can allow us to see our attachments and how they affect/ infect us - if you're interested I'd recommend doing some reading on the material.

 

[on_strike_usaexpat]

My "attachments" aside, it appeared we moved beyond the PCR article, even dissing the idea of an imposed economic crisis as a way to stop the march to a new war with possible use of nukes and then contemplated remaining realistic scenarios it could be stopped and the possible effects if not stopped.

Of course you have ignored this core aspect of the topic I started focusing and redirecting instead on my lack of esoteric development and thinking.

We will all know the real deal, good or bad, in two months I suppose.

Either way, thanks for the input.

 

[anart]

we moved beyond the PCR article, even dissing the idea of an imposed economic crisis as a way to stop the march to a new war with possible use of nukes and then contemplated remaining realistic scenarios it could be stopped and the possible effects if not stopped.

You are sound asleep and dreaming if you honestly think that would work - nothing will stop them until the REAL PTB decides it is in their best interests to do so. At that level there is only one government and they will do what they want to do.

Of course you have ignored this core aspect of the topic I started focusing and redirecting instead on my lack of esoteric development and thinking.

The core aspect has not been ignored - the core aspect is a flawed idea seemingly based on ignorance of the big picture. Quite a sacred cow you have there with PCR, though. I've agreed with a lot of what he's written over the years, but he does tend to lack a depth of perspective - a truly wide angle view on things.

 

[Niall]

My "attachments" aside, it appeared we moved beyond the PCR article, even dissing the idea of an imposed economic crisis as a way to stop the march to a new war with possible use of nukes and then contemplated remaining realistic scenarios it could be stopped and the possible effects if not stopped.

Are there commas missing here or something? I don't understand this paragraph after "even dissing"... Could you please break it down so I can understand your point, thanks.

Of course you have ignored this core aspect of the topic I started focusing and redirecting instead on my lack of esoteric development and thinking.

Of course? What, like you expected that to happen? Is there something you want to let us in on? By all means, let us discuss possible furtures with the knowledge we each bring to the table, but if you are unwilling to countenance the character of your written words on this forum, are you sure this is the place for you? Everything is open here. It seems for you however, that Paul Craig Roberts is the standard-bearer:

What got me was the seemingly sudden halt to his penetrating and clear articles which I'm sure almost all SotT'ers would be in agreement with. Originally seeing SotT post his articles bolstered my confidence that SotT was after the truth from whichever direction and had no axe to grind.

I think if you were to follow Shane's suggestion and engage the 'esoteric side of things' even just a little, you'd very quickly realise how silly this sounds on a SotT forum:

Actually all just comments nothing more. Didn't realize or expect that they were actually being paid attention to.

 

[on_strike_usaexpat]

we moved beyond the PCR article, even dissing the idea of an imposed economic crisis as a way to stop the march to a new war with possible use of nukes and then contemplated remaining realistic scenarios it could be stopped and the possible effects if not stopped.

You are sound asleep and dreaming if you honestly think that would work - nothing will stop them until the REAL PTB decides it is in their best interests to do so. At that level there is only one government and they will do what they want to do.

Umm, I said this and am in understanding of this as stated in post #12.

Of course you have ignored this core aspect of the topic I started focusing and redirecting instead on my lack of esoteric development and thinking.

The core aspect has not been ignored - the core aspect is a flawed idea seemingly based on ignorance of the big picture. Quite a sacred cow you have there with PCR, though. I've agreed with a lot of what he's written over the years, but he does tend to lack a depth of perspective - a truly wide angle view on things.

Sacred cow or whatever, I again stand by my previous post that his clear, to the point and common sense style can help to attract attention of others not so aware. If this proceeds to the Work, so much the better. Perhaps PCR is a good candidate to send a copy of "Political Ponerology".

 

[on_strike_usaexpat]

My "attachments" aside, it appeared we moved beyond the PCR article, even dissing the idea of an imposed economic crisis as a way to stop the march to a new war with possible use of nukes and then contemplated remaining realistic scenarios it could be stopped and the possible effects if not stopped.

Are there commas missing here or something? I don't understand this paragraph after "even dissing"... Could you please break it down so I can understand your point, thanks.

Posts #6 and #11 gave good reasons why dumping dollars/imposing an economic crisis is not a solution.
From that point on, the conclusions can be summed up in posts 13 and 14.

Of course you have ignored this core aspect of the topic I started focusing and redirecting instead on my lack of esoteric development and thinking.

Of course? What, like you expected that to happen? Is there something you want to let us in on? By all means, let us discuss possible furtures with the knowledge we each bring to the table, but if you are unwilling to countenance the character of your written words on this forum, are you sure this is the place for you? Everything is open here.

??? I don't understand your point in the first four sentences. And if the consensus is I'm too dumb then I guess I should go.

It seems for you however, that Paul Craig Roberts is the standard-bearer:

Um not quite.

What got me was the seemingly sudden halt to his penetrating and clear articles which I'm sure almost all SotT'ers would be in agreement with. Originally seeing SotT post his articles bolstered my confidence that SotT was after the truth from whichever direction and had no axe to grind.

I think if you were to follow Shane's suggestion and engage the 'esoteric side of things' even just a little, you'd very quickly realise how silly this sounds on a SotT forum:

Yeah, so I'm a lowly dumb clueless being. Have fun with the nuke fallout and related aftereffects. Chao.

No need to respond as I won't be responding unless you need to get the last word in.

 

[Renaissance]

Yeah, so I'm a lowly dumb clueless being. Have fun with the nuke fallout and related aftereffects. Chao.

No need to respond as I won't be responding unless you need to get the last word in.

'Have fun with the nuke fallout'?? What an appalling thing to say. For someone who seems to pride himself in being able to overcome all the obstacles of moving out of the states, it's a shame you're not interested in facing or overcoming your self importance. What do you aim for when you make such callous and juvenile statements as the above?

 

[anart]

Self-importance is a very powerful thing. Starsailor's post did not seem to warrant this reaction, at least from my understanding of it. Perhaps it was the combination of all of the posts that challenged on_strike's statements that pushed his self-importance to the point of making this odd little tirade. No one ever intimated that on_strike was a "lowly, dumb, clueless being" - so where did that thought come from?

Sounds a lot like 'right man syndrome' raising it's ugly head, which is really unfortunate. There is an enormous difference between challenging someone's statements on this forum and challenging who that person is - and the person 'on_strike' is was never even part of the conversation - so this defensive, angry reaction is unfortunate. Perhaps, if he calms down a bit and can get some perspective, he can understand that. No matter how 'uninterested' in esoteric work he may be at this point, it's very true that if he were more familiar with his 'machine', that he could have avoided this reaction. But - such things are certainly for him to decide, not us.

 

[Peto]

IMO, the later part of this thread is a very good example of self importance playing out, in particular identification and internal consideration. It is very educational for those who are working to get rid of it, that includes me, to see it in a real life situation rather just read about it in the book. Thanks to Anart for pointing it out clearly.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Another enlightening example of what a huge obstacle Self-Importance is. I am in no way suggesting that under certain circumstances I would not fall into the same trap. I am still, like many others here, trying to overcome these obstacles. However, how much progress one is making will leave subtle clues all around. It seems that this thread already began early on with some subtle clues about on_strike_usaexpat's progress towards objective truth.

He alluded to SOTT's inclusion of "left" and "right" viewpoints / articles / commentary, and then suggested that this may be changing or may have already changed. For a "SOTTer" (as he termed it), and a somewhat long time one at that, this is very peculiar. SOTT and all the related sites/forums/material are so beyond these false dichotomies of "right"/"left", Democrat/Republican, etc. that why even suggest such an irrelevancy.

There is the issue of Sacred Cows, as well as Self-Importance. But, anyway, the really unfortunate thing about his reaction is that we are all very concerned about the issues of more war and destruction (nuclear or otherwise), economic collapse, domination, deception and manipulation, etc. However, we are also seriously trying to come up with realistic ways to deal with these rather than ineffective or counterproductive ways and more illusions. (I, for one, do not have sure answers). So many intellingent statements were made in these posts about how the pathocracy / secret government really works that could have made on_strike_usaexpat truely change his thinking and statements about these issues. It seemed that he began adjusting his position, and then subtley reverting back, and finally, out of nowhere, an outburst (that seems almost inevitable on deeper investigation) due to the lack of serious progress to get rid of the Sacred Cows, Self-Importance and the rest. And, alas, discerning lies (intentional or not) from truth is so difficult, especially identifying lies to yourself/your own illusions. Some of us spread misinformation unintentionally (due to our own ignorance / because we are ourselves misinformed) while others intentionally spread disinformation.... As mentioned by anart, perhaps he will calm down, and in time, re-examine this situation/these issues, getting a better perpective. It is, after all, from our mistakes that we can learn the most. However, as anart also said, this is up to him.

But, as always, this whole thread is another valuable lesson....