Economic Collapse, Basic Income, and the Mark of the Beast

ScioAgapeOmnis

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A thought occurred to me a few days ago about a potential chain of events that might transpire in the near future, and I just wanted to share. It felt like a eureka moment because some things just kinda clicked and suddenly made sense when considered together. First, a quick background. There is a lot of talk that developments in artificial intelligence and automation will automate many jobs and create huge numbers of people whose skills are no longer useful because machines will be able to do those jobs. And worst of all, they won't be able to re-train and/or get different jobs because those jobs too will be automated, there are no replacement jobs coming. This video covers this really well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU - "Humans Need Not Apply"

Seems like a real possibility (in many ways it's already happening in many industries), though hard to say how "smart" these machines will be and how much they will be able to ultimately automate. But let's say smart enough to render billions unemployed and unemployable. What happens to all the unemployed? A very popular solution commonly proposed for this chaotic period is Basic Income. Here is a good video that explains that concept:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXxcjJ5ODw - "What is Basic Income and why do we need it"

On the other hand we have a very real prospect of economic collapse as well as a total elimination of paper currency. All transactions will be done digitally, probably with some sort of chips as the C's said here:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25981.0.html
C's said:
Q: (L) "Compels all alike, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be marked with an inscription on their right hand or on their foreheads...." What is this inscription?
A: Visa ID number.
Q: (L) Is this going to be actually physically put on our bodies?
A: Encoded.
Q: (L) How? Is that what the aliens do when they abduct people?
A: No.
Q: (L) How is it going to be done?
A: Stamped.
Q: (L) By what technical means?
A: Electronic encoding. A series of numbers.
Q: (L) Are they going to put these on our skins or imbed them in the skin on our heads or hand...?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Does that mean that you will have to place your hand on an electronic scanner in order to conduct any type of monetary transaction?
A: Precisely.

Q: (L) Okay, it says: "Here is room for discernment, a call for the wisdom of interpretation, let him who has intelligence, penetration, insight enough calculate the number of the Beast, for it is a human number, the number of a certain man, his number is 666. What does this mean?
A: Visa as explained previously. Everyone will get their own number and it will be a Visa number, the number of the Beast.
Q: (L) "Then I looked and Lo! the lamb stood on Mount Zion and with him 144,000 men who had his name and his father's name inscribed on their foreheads..." What does that mean?
A: ID. The Lamb is the Leadership council of the world bank. Many will think they are taking the "mark" of God when actually being marked by the Beast.

It seems like Artificial Intelligence, automation, and basic income concepts are starting to gain a lot of attention and popularity. It is happening incrementally but already people like Bill Gates, Steven Hawking, Elon Musk have talked about the dangers of AI, and because of their popularity, this is bringing it into mainstream consciousness. Many countries are starting to take the idea seriously:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_around_the_world

Notably, Finland is starting a trial on it:
http://www.demoshelsinki.fi/en/2016/08/30/thousands-to-receive-basic-income-in-finland-a-trial-that-could-lead-to-the-greatest-societal-transformation-of-our-time/

France might try stuff too:
http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/europe/2016/02/24/push-for-basic-income-in-france

There is a push to run the experiment in many other countries as well. Anyway, it seems like automating jobs away will push the PTB to consider their options, if this is indeed on the agenda. What to do with the vast majority of unemployed humans?

So here's my suspicion for what might be happening here:

Automation increases corporate productivity dramatically, allowing the rich to get dramatically richer while the majority are jobless and broke as they are not the owners of the machines/facilities to benefit from them. Of course, this means we don't have any money to buy stuff either. So in the initial stages of automation, companies who are laying people off and replacing them with machines will benefit by saving money. What they haven't considered is the economic effect overall - people without jobs can't buy whatever these companies are selling. But of course those few companies who do think of the larger context and are loyal to keeping people employed will be driven out of business due to narrow-minded competition automating and out-competing them on price and quality. This results in the inevitable social and economic collapse - people without jobs can't buy anything, big shocker! What now?

Just as the riots are starting, the government implements basic income. This gives everyone an allowance and purchasing power. But this is where they drop paper currency in favor of fully controlled electronic-only currency. They will insist this is the only way basic income is possible on a truly large (possibly global) scale - to curb corruption/money laundering/etc that might compromise it. They will find a way to link paper currency as part of the reason the collapse happened or whatever else they need to say to get this done. People will be desperate so no one will really argue too much, they'll just be happy to get money again.

Ultimately of course if machines produce all goods money is actually completely unnecessary anyway. But our social mentality doesn't allow for that idea just yet, and controlling money (and retaining the concept that it's necessary) means controlling people. This time much more directly and much more profoundly. People won't work for a living - but they will literally only live if their digital money handout isn't cut off. Who will rebel then?

Anyway, automation COULD offer a utopia - there is nothing wrong with letting machines do the annoying drudgery and allow humanity to stop laboring at pointless and stupid soul-crushing jobs and instead focus on whatever fulfills them in life - travel, reading, writing, friendships, families, whatever! But the elite won't just let us be free - any beneficial technology that SHOULD liberate us will actually enslave us even more. We might not be working for a living, but they will still get 9999% of all the benefits from automation and we will get the "free" scraps - just enough to keep people content, but also fully dependent on the handouts from the elite who own the automation (it won't be socialized).

Hopefully the ice age and comets will happen soon after. But anyway, this is just a thought I had about how they could get from where we are now to no paper currency and microchips. It may be done via an engineered financial collapse, but they are slick, they like to make things "make sense" and not be completely out of the blue with no plausible explanation. Then people are left shrugging thinking well we knew it was coming, it was inevitable, it wasn't some freak incident no one saw coming. And using automation as a catalyst just makes sense - it's growing exponentially, many famous people are seriously concerned, it's bound to lead to an economic crisis, and all they have to do is gently guide it and manage the outcome in their favor. No need to "engineer" it arbitrarily.
 
I think that automation to a large degree is still at least 10 years away, so I don't think that financial troubles which will probably resurface sooner can be blamed on it.

Automation can be a huge blessing in that everyone can be provided for without necessarily having to work. At the same time, anyone who wants to work and have additional income can do so.

I don't know if basic income can be tied to a purely electronic currency. At least for now, abandoning paper money doesn't seem to be a very popular idea.
 
Basic income is one of the main state applications for digital currency.

Within the crypto/digital currency community such technologies to automate basic income are being tested. Entirely without state support.

Within a few years they will perfect the method, and that will coincide with the maturity of digital currency and the start of mainstream adoption.

The scenario as laid about by SAO is achievable... and the technology to both propel and stop the prophecy is under development by freedom, privacy loving ideologues.

Given that situation, I think the outcome of SAO's prophecy can be avoided. If blockchain decentralized technologies can be perfected by then, it can create a counterweight that weakens the case of the VISA outcome. But that really depends on what we each individually choose to do.
 
I think the key word is decentralization. Both automation and digital currencies can be decentralized. One thing is for sure - such technologies, once matured and implemented on a wide scale, are incredibly powerful. Either that power is concentrated in the hands of the few at the expense of everyone, or in the hands of everyone enabling freedom and abundance the likes of which has never existed.

Automation has one really pesky issue - right now the elite need us to produce. They wanna control us but they need people mining resources and producing products and services, so they can't really get rid of us and still have their wealth and comfort. Someone has to actually do the work! Once machines do everything, the vast majority of humans are no longer needed to sustain the flow of resources and production and development of technology. We become obsolete with respect to production. Once we have no more value to them, what happens then?

Our value as human beings (not as worker drones) never mattered to them. So either we will control the means of production and be free from drudgery and labor and everyone is fed and housed and supported by the amazing productivity of machines, or we enter the worst dystopia in history and for the first time in history are actually completely useless to the elite who can now fully sustain themselves with machines. I really don't see any middle ground - it will either be absolutely terrible for the vast majority or absolutely awesome.

If history is any indication, we are screwed. Productivity is already dramatically increasing but jobs pay shit and work hours are longer than ever and people are working multiple jobs! The current state of technology makes each person armed with advanced tools 100x more productive than a person armed with a shovel and an abacus 100-200 years ago. But why aren't we working less and benefitting from this today? All the smart people from 100 years ago logically predicted a lot of leasure time and prosperity in this time, they just completely neglected to consider psychopathy and greed that completely prevents this. The benefits have been realized from tech and productivity, but they are pooled at the top. The divide between the rich and the poor had never been greater. So if we continue on this trend, it sure doesn't look like it's heading in the "really awesome" future all this could enable. The top will continue to benefit til we are no longer needed at all. Then we are going into camps at best, or killed off at worst.

Sorry for being a negative Nancy. The future is open. But it's just not likely to be nice given what we know of the past and present. And this isn't far future. This dramatic shift is already starting, will be in full swing 10 years from now unless something intervenes. And the intervention would have to be rather dramatic like earth changes, a revolution, etc. I don't know if cryptocurrencies will ever be simply allowed to take over - you think they won't put up a fight to prevent decentralization of money/power?

Edit: For an example of how people who are considered useless are treated just look at the homeless. Or the poor neighborhoods especially in inner cities. Detroit is a great example. Bottom line, people who are not needed for production are discarded at best - they form into slums and barely register on anyone's radar. This will be everyone when fewer and fewer of us have an actual use to the system. Just flushed down the proverbial toilet like Neo in the Matrix when he was unplugged.
 
Thanks for this interesting thread. I watched the video on basic income without sound and closed captions on. I got a bit teary eyed at the end while thinking of what could be. But maybe it's wishful thinking. The idea could work, but like you said, ponerology will get in the way and they'll ruin it by serving their selves at the expense of everyone else. I guess that goes with any great invention or formula, it will always be infected sooner or later here on planet Earth.

SAO said:
Once machines do everything, the vast majority of humans are no longer needed to sustain the flow of resources and production and development of technology. We become obsolete with respect to production. Once we have no more value to them, what happens then?

I don't think 4D would let their source of food be eliminated by a bunch of psychos. And actually, rounding people up into slums or camps would produce a lot of suffering for just about everyone, which would seem to increase their food source! I'll have an order of comets, with an Ice Age soft drink, please! :/
 
It really feels like we are close to an end, it's just a question what kind of timeline possibility will resolve after this.
I also don't get how is it possible for our planet to enter 4D STO with that much pathology and sleepy souls on it. Especially if Killary starts a nuclear war.
 
Good stuff, SAO! It's now on SOTT: https://www.sott.net/article/329673-Automation-economic-collapse-basic-income-slavery-Our-dystopic-future
 
Just read the article, good job SAO. Most of it is the same as the replies written here, for those of you who've yet to read it.

I wanted to make a few comments on the automation and digital currency parts, since I have a lot of expertise in this field.

First, on the digital currency note, many of you are probably familiar with Bitcoin. At a current market capitalization of $10 billion USD, it's still far from global, but very large. That's larger than dozens of smaller countries put together, and it grows every year.

This is important for two reasons:

1. Decentralized currency is a proven success. The problems are scaling and adoption. Scaling is being solved as we speak, and there are several proposed solutions. It's not just Bitcoin after all... there are now dozens of unique cryptocurrencies with incredible technology. The adoption problem is one that's also being worked on, though there is no easy solution.

2. Automation. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin are largely based on one new technology: The blockchain. Essentially a shared distributed database, it has ramifications way beyond currency. One of the chief innovations was bringing 'Smart Contracts' onto the blockchain... making the blockchain a de facto way to automate businesses and production. These contracts are still in the development and early use cases phase, but the potential is there to completely automate factory production from the buying of resources, to production and machining, to the selling of finished goods. All this can be done in a completely decentralized way.

So we're really on the precipice of all this, and the cryptocurrency/blockchain community is making the primary tools to take us all to the next phase. There's a lot of irony here, given the explicit decentralization ideology of that community.

But that also opens up an opportunity. If you really want to build a new world, blockchain technology is the place to be, and there are no barriers to participation except for intelligence. We are still at the very beginning of this 'Wave', and it's going to wash over the whole world.

Anyways, I just wanted to put that out there, because I'm betting a lot of people aren't familiar with the fact that the foundation for this future ALREADY EXISTS. How they're used, and by whom, is what will determine the outcome.
 
Approaching Infinity said:
Good stuff, SAO! It's now on SOTT: https://www.sott.net/article/329673-Automation-economic-collapse-basic-income-slavery-Our-dystopic-future

Whoa! If I thought that could happen I wouldn't have been so sloppy in my writing! Thank god the editors did such a bang up job!

Wu Wei Wu - I just want to clarify that when I said digital currency I meant simply electronic - 99% of all money is created out of thin air by the banks and has been for some time now (no gold or paper backing). Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin are also digital, but a whole different animal as you so well explained. And of course if things fail hard enough we go back to gold or trading.

One thing the basic income video failed to mention is that you can't get the money from income tax if the only people making an income is the one guy who runs the machines. Or I suppose you could, but the machine owners have all the power - you think any government could dictate anything to them? The money makers already have this power, but just multiply it by a million and remove any leverage the average person might still have today (while we still produce what they need).

The only way basic income makes any sense is a pseudo socialist system. We benefit from the machines directly. If they are not under public control, it's sionara. Basically capitalism itself cannot function anymore. Need pseudo-capitalism to keep the world running. Cap incomes, cap net worth, redistribute overhead to masses. Why can one dude monopolize a natural resource or a segment of the economy and make billions? Oh you found some oil? You invented Windows 95? You're Walmart or Kellogs? Great but you can't hoard. If profit is capped then we all win. When profit is uncapped then as you store money everyone else has less. As things are, a LOT less! And soon none. Capitalism won't survive the next decade, 2 tops, given the trajectory. The very idea that if you find something or invent something or use clever trading it entitles you to 99% of the profit even though your employees do 99% of the actual work is weird! Literally no law on limiting profit on a planet whose resources are not infinite is terrifying. But when you don't even need people to mine them? Who are you to even claim them!

As usual, it's us the common folk who need to force change if it is to happen. And we are so toxified and dumbed down and broken already - it's such a bleak prospect! Hope the C's are right that we will unite somehow against psychopaths - but the catalyst needed to motivate people would have to be a really painful one these days.
 
I don't think they foresee the line of balance with no emplyed people, there is no household income, there are no purchases, so they will device more credit.


It happened to my sister, she studied mechanical dentestry which is a line of dentestry dedicated to the casting and replication of teeth, well, a few years later they came up with a machine that 3d prints teeth and all those peope no longer need apply, you don't need to pay a machine.




I was actually thinking about the possibility of 3d printing a brain from a MRI/catscan machine, and assumed this was already being done, looked it up on youtube and there it was, they have already 3D printed parts of brains in mice, which is a grondbreaking discovery for many who have a missing limb of organ, but the are
lilely to focus on profit more than the benefit of people..

That is a way to enslave humans, you have 6 billion and exponentially increasing, who will have no job, and only a form of credit, who work to only pay credit, just that in a massive scale, eventually , as all things out of balance it will collapse horribly..
 
Saw this and thought it could be relevant with what was discussed here:

Elon Musk suggests that basic universal income is the solution to robots taking our jobs
https://www.minds.com/blog/view/652668975196413955

In the back of everyone's mind is the impending future of automation. We see it in small scales, as kiosks replace cashiers, but it has been happening since the dawn of time. We build machines or use other technologies to take the burden off of ourselves. We have done this in farming and construction, all the way down to the computer (computers used to be people).

The agitation that comes along with automation, and possibly the most nerve wracking aspect of it, is the loss of jobs. In an economy where people rely on a paycheck for goods or services rendered, taking away the opportunity to do the service means taking away the paycheck.

Fortunately, working for money is not an inherent part of nature. It is a construct, created by people, that can be changed by people. Elon Musk has touched on what many others have also pondered and some have enacted: Basic Income.

"People will have time to do other things and more complex things, more interesting things," said Musk. "[They will] certainly have more leisure time."

And maybe that is what we need; more free time to figure out the solutions to the problems we're facing. An overburdened and debted majority of people has gotten us into a quagmire of pissed off and tired humanity. If we were to pass off the crap jobs to machines and let our creativity flourish, there are no bounds to which our intellect would blossom.

Musk believes that "there's a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income," gauging what other options there are.

Perhaps the basics, like food, shelter, transportation and communication, should be taken care of. If we had the opportunity to focus on the things that were really important to us, rather than be bogged down by a job we hate, it could change everything.

It starts with your mindset. If you think this is possible and you think it's a good idea to try, expound on it. The best place to start is spreading the beleif that it's possible and we may very well be on the edge of a paradigm shift.
 
Found this in a list of law changes in the Netherlands starting as from January 1, 2017:

Salaries may no longer be paid entirely in cash. At least the equivalent of the minimum wage must be paid into a bank account.

Currently, the minimum wage amount for 23y and older is € 1,537.20 gross and € 1409.93 net.

This means that anyone who didn't already have a bank account, now has to get one in order to have their wages paid to them.

This measure specifically affects low income workers, ambulant workers, people on stand-by contracts or with irregular work hours and the like, as well as most benefit receivers and state pensioners.

War on cash, indeed.
 
Palinurus said:
Found this in a list of law changes in the Netherlands starting as from January 1, 2017:

Salaries may no longer be paid entirely in cash. At least the equivalent of the minimum wage must be paid into a bank account.

Currently, the minimum wage amount for 23y and older is € 1,537.20 gross and € 1409.93 net.

This means that anyone who didn't already have a bank account, now has to get one in order to have their wages paid to them.

This measure specifically affects low income workers, ambulant workers, people on stand-by contracts or with irregular work hours and the like, as well as most benefit receivers and state pensioners.

War on cash, indeed.

Wow Palinurus, that's really dark. Talk about a monopolizing force. The Dutch are being forced to keep their money with banks, whether they like it or not.

The dark dream has become real.
 
A recent SOTT entry (from Daisy Luther) on this topic:

https://www.sott.net/article/339338-Universal-basic-income-equals-modern-day-feudalism


Furthermore, from Amsterdam:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/01/100129-2/

Amsterdam public transport to be cash free by 2018

January 17, 2017

All Amsterdam buses will stop accepting coins and notes from March 26, city transport company GVB said on Monday.

Cash will disappear from night buses at the end of January.

The bus firm is keen to eliminate cash money because of the risk of bus drivers being robbed. The company wants all public transport – including trams – to be cash free in a year’s time.

That, officials admit, is likely to be a major operation. Last year, tram conductors dealt with 8.2 million cash payments. In particular, tourists are likely to try to pay with cash.

Paying cash for your parking fee has already been abolished for quite some time.
 
Could one of the reasons for eliminating cash, especially coinage, be due to lack of significant reserves of precious metals to supply demand? Every now and then, I'll see a news report of a Country acquiring X-amounts of Gold to build up their reserves - yet, I never hear a word about Silver? I had often wondered about that?

I just came across a video that was released a few days ago, that states,"In 1943 the US Government secretly transferred 2.75 Billion ounces of silver from the Federal Reserve", to make "pure silver calutron magnets" in the Manhattan project. Then in early 1990, they shut down the calutrons because they needed the physical silver.

If Silver is so scarce, why is it listed at a much lower price - than Gold on the Stock Exchange? I would think, the opposite would be true?

ALERT: Secret Hidden Silver Hoard...2.75 Billion Ounces! (Bix Weir)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_kR9d8j6vc (24:59 min.)
 
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