Elephants in the room: Wanderers

[Deleted member 9511]

I think that's probably not the best way to approach this forum, ge0m0. Posting cryptic remarks, which is what your poem was, is posting noise, as Brightlight11 pointed out. No one would have been able to decifer the meaning of your post without investing great effort or having to press you further for clarification. Having some consideration for the reader of your message, keeping in mind that we all have time constraints, and stating your thesis clearly, without ambiguity, would be appreciated.

If you look at the forum guidelines, which you agreed to by activating your account, you'll see that you've already agreed to keep noise to a minimum and posting clearly. Please adhere to the wishes of the creators of this forum in your future posts by keeping ambiguity to a minimum.

As has already been pointed out, such posts would be more appropriate for the "Creative Acts" section of the forum, where it would not be considered noise.

Understood and agreed. Still, while you made the effort to read my thorough explanation, still no comment other than to cherry pick my post and double-down on the "noise" angle? How is that not noise as well? I guess noise is in the ear of the beholder.

 

[dugdeep]

I think that's probably not the best way to approach this forum, ge0m0. Posting cryptic remarks, which is what your poem was, is posting noise, as Brightlight11 pointed out. No one would have been able to decifer the meaning of your post without investing great effort or having to press you further for clarification. Having some consideration for the reader of your message, keeping in mind that we all have time constraints, and stating your thesis clearly, without ambiguity, would be appreciated.

If you look at the forum guidelines, which you agreed to by activating your account, you'll see that you've already agreed to keep noise to a minimum and posting clearly. Please adhere to the wishes of the creators of this forum in your future posts by keeping ambiguity to a minimum.

As has already been pointed out, such posts would be more appropriate for the "Creative Acts" section of the forum, where it would not be considered noise.

Understood and agreed. Still, while you made the effort to read my thorough explanation, still no comment other than to cherry pick my post and double-down on the "noise" angle? How is that not noise as well? I guess noise is in the ear of the beholder.

It's not "cherry picking" and it's really not subjective. You were asked to be more clear, you said you understood but that you "reserved the right" to keep posting in an ambiguous manner, so I asked you not to. Pointing this out isn't noise, although this continued need for clarification of what should be a fairly straight-forward issue, is approaching it.

I didn't comment on the elaborate elucidation of your thought process or your view of the wanderer issue because I didn't have anything to add (minimizing noise). It isn't a requirement in replying to someone's post to address every part of that post. I would think that would become quite tedious.

None the less, I can see that you spent some time putting those posts together, so I can understand a subtle need for some validation or acknowledgement. I'm sure this discussion will continue when other posters interested in the subject have more to add, but understand that they may or may not take your input on board.

 

[luke wilson]

Can communication really take place when 1 person is feeling under threat and is responding from that position?

In softer words ge0m0, I think what is being pointed out is the unwillingness to compromise. At least that is how it came across in your last paragraph.

Though I reserve the right to post vague and cryptic haiku-koanisms with the promise to never intend offense and to always offer clarification when asked.

I think if you post something that is vague and cryptic and leave it at that, then you aren't really complying with the principles of the forum. However, I understand that as you said, this is something that helps you distil your thoughts. But wouldn't you agree that when it comes to communication, you have to come across in a way that others are able to partake in what you are trying to convey? Otherwise you are just talking to yourself?

Having said that I liked some of your thoughts and way of seeing things. I'm still thinking about what you said about this subject of wanderers and trying to distil those thoughts...

 

[Deleted member 9511]

Thanks luke, BrightLight, and dugdeep for your guidance. Still learning the ropes here (including the syntax of quoting and embedded quotes) and your input is very much appreciated and helpful.

Can communication really take place when 1 person is feeling under threat and is responding from that position?

Unlikely. I took the time to read the link that BrightLight provided on noise and I see that the reply was not at all threatening. Curious how I wandered into it and wasn't even aware that the link was to the forum glossary, and I unconsciously dismissed it as threatening.

In softer words ge0m0, I think what is being pointed out is the unwillingness to compromise. At least that is how it came across in your last paragraph.

Though I reserve the right to post vague and cryptic haiku-koanisms with the promise to never intend offense and to always offer clarification when asked.

Point taken. I can and will do better. To "reserve the right" is about as STS as it gets.

I think if you post something that is vague and cryptic and leave it at that, then you aren't really complying with the principles of the forum. However, I understand that as you said, this is something that helps you distil your thoughts. But wouldn't you agree that when it comes to communication, you have to come across in a way that others are able to partake in what you are trying to convey? Otherwise you are just talking to yourself?

Absolutely agree.

Having said that I liked some of your thoughts and way of seeing things. I'm still thinking about what you said about this subject of wanderers and trying to distil those thoughts...

And having re-read the thread, much of my reservation about the topic was already covered.

In conclusion, this is a non-useful almost dangerous discussion because well it doesn't really amount to anything useful in the way of 'work' but on the other hand I think it's important if there truly are wanderers out there, especially in this dire times. ...

Exactly. I think it's no use to concentrate on how many wanderers are present on the Earth or what they can do for us. The only thing which counts is what WE do because these are our lessons and thus our responsibility.

Very true and not disputing it plus can't be underestimated how important the point you've made is. I tried making it as well in my caveats!

From the work's point of view and our own personal responsibility point of view, it doesn't matter. But if they do exist then it matters to us in other respects. You can't just ignore it! Right? There must be something that can be learnt from it, something that can be known that can improve our understanding of the world? Yes?

I may be generalizing but I think this is a topic many people are interested in, be it out of mere curiosity. I have no idea why but wouldn't you agree? Maybe because it tickles our self-importance, maybe because it touches on transcendence from materiality, maybe because it's an escape, maybe due to a mixture of different reasons but I don't think I'm mistaken in thinking that in these circles (esoteric circles) people think about it.

You're right. We shouldn't ignore anything which can broaden our view of the Universe. And the wanderers, if they are really among us, surely provide some indirect guidance/inspiration for those who genuinely seek for it. The point is that there are so many other aspects of the world which are behind the veil for us and I think there is a good reason for that... ;)

In the spirit of clear communication, it would have been much better had I offered my initial remark, if at all, by properly framing it with such a quote and noting that I was having fun with it.

If i remember correctly, in Ra, wanderers were referred as brothers and sisters of sorrow - so it could very well be that their mission is not all about fun... FWIW

Ummm....yeah. Maybe not all about fun, but I hope they do get a laugh once in a while

 

[lainey]

If the haiku's help you to think then you could use them to help you process your thoughts therefore making it easier to post on the forum. For example, you have a subject matter, you write a haiku on paper, then unravel each line like you did there and use the explanation as a base for your post. That way there is the compromise of you distilling your thoughts and us on the forum being able to have a clear interaction with you without need for clarification.

 

[nyvf5]

According to the Wave part2(SoulHackers),wanderers are sorrounded by EM-Vectors.
These EM-Vectors can even be family members or close "friends" of the wanderer.
According to the cassiopaeans, wanderers getting abused by those EM-Vectors,various attacks are perpetrated to harm wanderers to kill or at least weaken and harm them so to destroy wanderers.Also there is written,that,in nearly all cases when wanderers getting attacked,its only carried out by those EM-Vectors.
4th density STS,in most cases does not do it directly,so they somehow manipulate "people" as cruelers /"EM-Vectors" around the wanderers,to carry out gruesome attacks on wanderers.

At some Point it is stated,wanderers are voluntarily into this 3.rd density,however there is still remaining the question what their "Mission"(if wanderers have one Mission)is all about.

Since wanderers are going from higher densities into this 3.rd one,it seems to be very important,great mission.

Also it is hard to believe,wanderers would do it on their own free will,to endure such hell on them.

If anyone knows more or better,would be very appreciated.

 

[lainey]

Also it is hard to believe,wanderers would do it on their own free will,to endure such hell on them.

If anyone knows more or better,would be very appreciated.

Perhaps it's hard to believe from our perspective but if we think outside the box then perhaps for a universal good we would be willing to take one lifetime out of infinite existence to bear a little discomfort for others.

 

[WIN 52]

Also it is hard to believe,wanderers would do it on their own free will,to endure such hell on them.

If anyone knows more or better,would be very appreciated.

Perhaps it's hard to believe from our perspective but if we think outside the box then perhaps for a universal good we would be willing to take one lifetime out of infinite existence to bear a little discomfort for others.

Or perhaps many physical experiences, as being the only way to learn, while in a restricted 3D physical machine under controls.

 

[WIN 52]

According to the Wave part2(SoulHackers),wanderers are sorrounded by EM-Vectors.
These EM-Vectors can even be family members or close "friends" of the wanderer.
According to the cassiopaeans, wanderers getting abused by those EM-Vectors,various attacks are perpetrated to harm wanderers to kill or at least weaken and harm them so to destroy wanderers.Also there is written,that,in nearly all cases when wanderers getting attacked,its only carried out by those EM-Vectors.
4th density STS,in most cases does not do it directly,so they somehow manipulate "people" as cruelers /"EM-Vectors" around the wanderers,to carry out gruesome attacks on wanderers.

At some Point it is stated,wanderers are voluntarily into this 3.rd density,however there is still remaining the question what their "Mission"(if wanderers have one Mission)is all about.

Since wanderers are going from higher densities into this 3.rd one,it seems to be very important,great mission.

Also it is hard to believe,wanderers would do it on their own free will,to endure such hell on them.

If anyone knows more or better,would be very appreciated.

All who are borne here must be born STS with the mind of the predator and can only strive to become an STO candidate. Doing for others is the motivation and without free will choice STO would not exist. All must learn the same lessons for advancement. There are no shortcuts or free passes.

The wave provides an opportunity for some to follow those who have gone before in order to maintain balance and for others to walk out of the forge, having been purified. The eternal nature of the struggle between STO & STS.

 

[Haiku]

It looks like all that you have to do is call for the right individual. And from looking at your thread on this topic you called for me quite a few times. Most wanderers do not wake up, I had a wakeup call from a 5D STS, imagine the look on my face (<-- that's humor).

Sorry I am late for your party, but to answer your thoughts here. I am just here doing a 3D life just like you are doing. I do seem to emote an STO vibration. It generates a calming reaction to others around me, helps attitudes. I am not special to this, you all have some level of this going on now. Look around you and see all that you have changed in yourself and others just because you are here right now. Other than that I'm just a middle aged man living in an STS world just like you. It is nothing more than that in 3D land, unless you work very hard at it, as you all have begun.

I am not going to be able to tell you anything more than what the C's state. I can't do magic, maybe a little slight of hand. No miracles, that I know of anyway. I am another guide, nothing more. I do not know what the C's will state about me, I do not know myself. I fully believe that I am a wanderer, I have too much knowledge for one lifetime and I see/feel too much suffering.

If your looking for advice, here you go. Think more on any thought before you ask it as a question. Wow, that's deep, let me expand on that thought. Break down the thought using what is called simple questions. A simple question looks at only one facet. What is the reason? What is it doing? What should it be doing? Why is it this way? What do you see? Can you draw me a picture? There are many others that you can jot down and reuse when ever you get a thought. Think about variables to your thought, there is always some kink of variable, usually more than you want to think about. Look at the simple questions that you can answer, they will guide you, in a manor of speaking. If you need to weigh the variables that you come up with (scale 1:4, 1:10, 1:100). Items with a higher scale factor need more attention. All of this is pointers, to help you find the answer. If you have the thought in your head to ask the question the rest of the knowledge is in there somewhere for you to access the answer. The short answer: the question is the pointer to the answer. The answer is behind your vail.

If you still do not find the answer then you ask the question. Most of the time I get enough pointers to find what I was wanting to know/answer/query or I realize the answer myself. And you need patience to step back to do this. Really, we have all the time in the universe.

If you are looking for a seminar, here goes. The title is "Pay attention to what you are doing". If you are driving a car then only drive a car. If you are talk/texting/posting on your phone then focus only on your phone. No mixing or there will be issues. Really folks, just do one thing at a time, focus on it, pay full attention to it, it will have better results. Whatever it is will get done faster, better, and more intelligent in the end.

That is all that I can come up with. The floor is up to you. How can I guide you?

And we should start a new thread. It is not that I don't like elephants, I am more of a Ox who pulls the cart. Haiku ...

 

[Mahael859]

Hi Haiku,
I have to admit I'm a bit troubled by your post...
The reason it's mostly this part:

If you still do not find the answer then you ask the question. Most of the time I get enough pointers to find what I was wanting to know/answer/query or I realize the answer myself.

The reason is that I think most of the knowledge comes from relations, be it with other people, experiences or environment (you name it...) not by some sort of a navel gazing, in the end it's what most of the people are here for.
Even the C's, from 6th, are still learning by having a relation with Laura.
How do you verify if the answer you found are the correct ones? How can you be so sure about them wile, at the same time you state this?:

I do not know myself. I fully believe that I am a wanderer,

Also, parts of your post remind me of some New Age channeling stuff, sort of like keep calm and carry on, everything will be fine if you surround yourself with light etc:

If your looking for advice, here you go. Think more on any thought before you ask it as a question. Wow, that's deep, let me expand on that thought. Break down the thought using what is called simple questions. A simple question looks at only one facet. What is the reason? What is it doing? What should it be doing? Why is it this way? What do you see? Can you draw me a picture? There are many others that you can jot down and reuse when ever you get a thought. Think about variables to your thought, there is always some kink of variable, usually more than you want to think about. Look at the simple questions that you can answer, they will guide you, in a manor of speaking. If you need to weigh the variables that you come up with (scale 1:4, 1:10, 1:100). Items with a higher scale factor need more attention. All of this is pointers, to help you find the answer. If you have the thought in your head to ask the question the rest of the knowledge is in there somewhere for you to access the answer. The short answer: the question is the pointer to the answer. The answer is behind your vail.

If you still do not find the answer then you ask the question. Most of the time I get enough pointers to find what I was wanting to know/answer/query or I realize the answer myself. And you need patience to step back to do this. Really, we have all the time in the universe.

If you are looking for a seminar, here goes. The title is "Pay attention to what you are doing". If you are driving a car then only drive a car. If you are talk/texting/posting on your phone then focus only on your phone. No mixing or there will be issues. Really folks, just do one thing at a time, focus on it, pay full attention to it, it will have better results. Whatever it is will get done faster, better, and more intelligent in the end.

Just my thought

 

[Piscarian]

According to the Wave part2(SoulHackers),wanderers are sorrounded by EM-Vectors.
These EM-Vectors can even be family members or close "friends" of the wanderer.
According to the cassiopaeans, wanderers getting abused by those EM-Vectors,various attacks are perpetrated to harm wanderers to kill or at least weaken and harm them so to destroy wanderers.Also there is written,that,in nearly all cases when wanderers getting attacked,its only carried out by those EM-Vectors.
4th density STS,in most cases does not do it directly,so they somehow manipulate "people" as cruelers /"EM-Vectors" around the wanderers,to carry out gruesome attacks on wanderers.

At some Point it is stated,wanderers are voluntarily into this 3.rd density,however there is still remaining the question what their "Mission"(if wanderers have one Mission)is all about.

What are the possibilities that wanderers are those who have chosen to martyr themselves energetically and tactically as part of a larger STO strategy to tie up STS resources in time, energy and attention? There's a lot of talk in the forum material regarding energy, STS forces battling to obtain it and control it, with STO forces (wanderers?) seeking to retain it while helping others to develop their own STO potential. In that regard, considering that STS forces are relatively unrestricted in their methods while STO forces refuse to engage in certain activities, it would seem to call for some unorthodox creativity on the part of STO participants. In essence the STO forces might ask for volunteers who would draw fire so to speak leaving greater possibilities for those in 3D with STO potential to develop themselves while in a nascent state. Moreover there is the potential to disrupt the STS hierarchy when a wanderer decides to change course as described in the posting by Jtucker.

From what RA describes, the two 5D-STO wanderers set up a very narrow but accelerated "wisdom" teaching that lead to what Ra referred to as "Upon your third-density environment at the time of your experiencing such entities would merely be considered, shall we say, ruthless despots which waged the holy war."

The entities were then harvested to 4D as STS, and after the veil was lifted, RA refers to their reaction as "disconcerted" at their own actions in 3D. They then choose to re-polarize as STO at 4D with some substantial effort.

This posting by Yozilla led me consider that wanderers might be martyrs.

If i remember correctly, in Ra, wanderers were referred as brothers and sisters of sorrow - so it could very well be that their mission is not all about fun... FWIW

As for learning, it seems to me that going through 3D existence as a targeted wanderer would lead to some fairly intense experiences. How would people go through such circumstances without learning something? In all, not an enviable position. If the above turned out to be the reality of things to some degree, I can't see very many people hoping to don the role of a wanderer in this world, at least not consciously. Dunno, what do the rest of you think?

 

[Haiku]

I understand that there will be those that will not believe me, I fully expected it. I knew to expect it before I even created my login. That was one of the contingencies of standing up here.

You should let my actions, and since this is forum, my words state my actions, and then make your own conclusion to whether I am or not what I state I am. This goes for me and everyone else you make contact with.

I do not know if I am the 4D STO that the C's spoke of. Living in 3D STS land you sync with quite a few of the STS habits to survive, you have to. Habits that I seem to do here that I am sure that I do not do in 4D, French kissing is one but any kissing.

I have a STS tail at all times, I know this more than anything. Be kind, as I believe that I am balancing a tight wire right now. I guess that I will know when I hit a nerve when the men in black show up.

One of my contingencies was to get this rolling, someone needed to be first. Others will hopefully now show up. The odds are that there are others already here.

As for learning, I have been learning all of my lives! Haiku ...

 

[cope]

Never thought of being a wanderer, but.. uneasyness to touch, yep, feels like being invaded/infected/manipulated; having enormous EM-vector against, yep; martyrism no, different: volunteer to risk my own body if it helps anothers freedom. The hardest punch ever came in, when protesting against bullying somebody. Went into a high sea to get somebody out, not realising that the victim would pull me under to get air himself, luckily i got help in time and had big lungs.Sought out the sociopaths to confront, inside a group, as they spoil the sfere of trust and communication. Would go to political actions, sometimes only, to take a part of the violence/repression on me, to keep good people from dropping out by terror. Nothing angelical, a better world is in my interest, i hoped others could achieve that sooner then me, so a good investment, and i had a high pain-treshold. Now, Body is worn out totally from multiple external trauma, but it feels like i payed my due. Focus om my own machine, ego, selfdestructive habits, impossible EM vector, grounding, breathing, kids, good stuff!

 

[lainey]

Haiku, why do you think you are a wanderer? Genuine question.