Elephants in the room: Wanderers

[MikaelYosef]

Any ways, with that in mind, I just have one question,

In this great times when things are appearing to be escalating on so many fronts, "Where be the wanderers at?". I don't think the Cs refute the existence of these people so I'm just curious and to be honest I've been waiting for the day when the Cs will say they absolutely categorically don't exist. That day hasn't come yet. So, when will these wanderers like start doing stuff? I think the estimate (Ra) is that there is like 60 or so million of them walking around out there. That's like the whole population of the UK. Even by the law of probabilities, at least 1 or 2 from this lot should like be causing some waves out there by now and disturbing the equilibrium in the matrix... maybe Putin is one?

As an observation I find the subject name of this discussion "Elephants in the room: Wanderers" truly fascinating and symbolically referencing the answer you may be looking for. I was reminded recently of the blind men and the elephant while reading "Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection" (a great book by the way). To me that is exactly what a wanderer is. They are out there, scattered around the world, experiencing life and its difficulties and filling in the gaps (feeling the elephant and sharing information). This forum is the perfect example of that. If I had to describe a wanderer, I would say to look at the Founders of this forum and the ones who contribute the most to figuring stuff out. They are literally living a life of hardship; using their individual abilities to collectively piece together information and experiences to reveal a hidden-from-the-mainstream reality.

There are others who have commented already on their claim to being a wanderer. Whether the title is accurate or not, I don't believe true wanderers would ever reveal their identity if they knew it. Personally I think it's a label which is so broad it really has no useful meaning, and if anything it gives people with an ego an excuse to feel high and mighty. While this isn't necessarily a problem, it can be if they happen to be good speakers or writers, as there are a lot of gullible people out there who they could easily manipulate and lead down the wrong track.

Specifically to answer the question you raise though - my opinion is this. I wouldn't lose sleep waiting for wanderers to suddenly reveal themselves and I'm not convinced they actually exist in the form that the Ra material suggests. But suppose they did exist - surely there are some great examples of people right now who would be considered as 'wanderers' in this forum? If you don't agree with that, then could you ever be satisfied?

 

[placematt]

Any ways, with that in mind, I just have one question,

In this great times when things are appearing to be escalating on so many fronts, "Where be the wanderers at?". I don't think the Cs refute the existence of these people so I'm just curious and to be honest I've been waiting for the day when the Cs will say they absolutely categorically don't exist. That day hasn't come yet. So, when will these wanderers like start doing stuff? I think the estimate (Ra) is that there is like 60 or so million of them walking around out there. That's like the whole population of the UK. Even by the law of probabilities, at least 1 or 2 from this lot should like be causing some waves out there by now and disturbing the equilibrium in the matrix... maybe Putin is one?

As an observation I find the subject name of this discussion "Elephants in the room: Wanderers" truly fascinating and symbolically referencing the answer you may be looking for. I was reminded recently of the blind men and the elephant while reading "Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection" (a great book by the way). To me that is exactly what a wanderer is. They are out there, scattered around the world, experiencing life and its difficulties and filling in the gaps (feeling the elephant and sharing information). This forum is the perfect example of that. If I had to describe a wanderer, I would say to look at the Founders of this forum and the ones who contribute the most to figuring stuff out. They are literally living a life of hardship; using their individual abilities to collectively piece together information and experiences to reveal a hidden-from-the-mainstream reality.

There are others who have commented already on their claim to being a wanderer. Whether the title is accurate or not, I don't believe true wanderers would ever reveal their identity if they knew it. Personally I think it's a label which is so broad it really has no useful meaning, and if anything it gives people with an ego an excuse to feel high and mighty. While this isn't necessarily a problem, it can be if they happen to be good speakers or writers, as there are a lot of gullible people out there who they could easily manipulate and lead down the wrong track.

Specifically to answer the question you raise though - my opinion is this. I wouldn't lose sleep waiting for wanderers to suddenly reveal themselves and I'm not convinced they actually exist in the form that the Ra material suggests. But suppose they did exist - surely there are some great examples of people right now who would be considered as 'wanderers' in this forum? If you don't agree with that, then could you ever be satisfied?

+1 to this

I don't think there is any better way to put it then how you put it MikeJoseph82!

 

[luke wilson]

Any ways, with that in mind, I just have one question,

In this great times when things are appearing to be escalating on so many fronts, "Where be the wanderers at?". I don't think the Cs refute the existence of these people so I'm just curious and to be honest I've been waiting for the day when the Cs will say they absolutely categorically don't exist. That day hasn't come yet. So, when will these wanderers like start doing stuff? I think the estimate (Ra) is that there is like 60 or so million of them walking around out there. That's like the whole population of the UK. Even by the law of probabilities, at least 1 or 2 from this lot should like be causing some waves out there by now and disturbing the equilibrium in the matrix... maybe Putin is one?

As an observation I find the subject name of this discussion "Elephants in the room: Wanderers" truly fascinating and symbolically referencing the answer you may be looking for. I was reminded recently of the blind men and the elephant while reading "Earth Changes and the Human Cosmic Connection" (a great book by the way). To me that is exactly what a wanderer is. They are out there, scattered around the world, experiencing life and its difficulties and filling in the gaps (feeling the elephant and sharing information). This forum is the perfect example of that. If I had to describe a wanderer, I would say to look at the Founders of this forum and the ones who contribute the most to figuring stuff out. They are literally living a life of hardship; using their individual abilities to collectively piece together information and experiences to reveal a hidden-from-the-mainstream reality.

There are others who have commented already on their claim to being a wanderer. Whether the title is accurate or not, I don't believe true wanderers would ever reveal their identity if they knew it. Personally I think it's a label which is so broad it really has no useful meaning, and if anything it gives people with an ego an excuse to feel high and mighty. While this isn't necessarily a problem, it can be if they happen to be good speakers or writers, as there are a lot of gullible people out there who they could easily manipulate and lead down the wrong track.

Specifically to answer the question you raise though - my opinion is this. I wouldn't lose sleep waiting for wanderers to suddenly reveal themselves and I'm not convinced they actually exist in the form that the Ra material suggests. But suppose they did exist - surely there are some great examples of people right now who would be considered as 'wanderers' in this forum? If you don't agree with that, then could you ever be satisfied?

Nice!

What's your take on this so-called missions they supposedly are to execute? In fact, speaking of missions, either in the Ra or Bringers of the dawn, it was mentioned that their being here is not to execute a plan if that makes sense. Like, it's not that event A will happen at some point and they are here to counter with Action B.. It made me think there being here is like a continuously spontaneous existence? Ring any bells?

Back to ze missions, what are they? Pure speculation obviously as no one would know really but nonetheless, thoughts?

PS, I don't really think they exist. Why? well because if they do... they are failing horrendously and I refuse to believe the 'good guys' can be such horrendous planners and foreseers. Anyways, if they do I think they are normal people really. Maybe not as fickle. Maybe not as well adapted. But lots of other normal people fit those boxes. I 100% don't think Haiku is a wanderer... maybe desperate to be recognized, clinging to labels, hoping for admiration, trying to rescue a sense of self-importance.. who knows. Maybe Putin... Hmmm.

 

[the+other+ben]

Clearly I have about the same foggiest clue anyone else does as to who's a Wanderer or if they even exist. I find it interesting to ponder or discuss but also agree that ultimately it's a waste of time and energy to get wrapped up in the subject.

If Wanderers exist, they're subject to the same laws/limitations as the rest of us 3D beings, agreed? They're dealing with all the same issues with their machines as we are. Presumably they're a little better at it.. or one would hope. ;D

Who's also to say if they'd remember who they are, though my opinion is their purpose is just as veiled to them as it is to the rest of us. Perhaps they choose a "vehicle" that's most suited for their mission profile but once incarnated they are "in the soup" just like the rest of us. I don't know, but those are just my personal thoughts.

I understand that there will be those that will not believe me, I fully expected it. I knew to expect it before I even created my login. That was one of the contingencies of standing up here.

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[quote author=Haiku]
I am not going to be able to tell you anything more than what the C's state. I can't do magic, maybe a little slight of hand. No miracles, that I know of anyway. I am another guide, nothing more. I do not know what the C's will state about me, I do not know myself. I fully believe that I am a wanderer, I have too much knowledge for one lifetime and I see/feel too much suffering.
[/quote]

Haiku, you say you believe you're a Wanderer based on what exactly? I'd venture to say most of us here have also suffered to some degree or another and as pointed out by another poster, there are others in this group that have suffered greatly, lifted the heaviest load and given all their knowledge, yet, none of them make claims of being a Wanderer.

Forgive me but coming to this forum and stating you're a Wanderer is a little like showing up at Las Vegas claiming you're Elvis.

[quote author=Haiku]
You should let my actions, and since this is forum, my words state my actions, and then make your own conclusion to whether I am or not what I state I am. This goes for me and everyone else you make contact with.
[/quote]

Sound advice but you have way less of a track record here than even I do. This thread started as a musing on Wanderers, then you show up saying "Here I am!" and presented yourself in a certain light. Your actions definitely have something to teach but perhaps not what you expect.

 

[Jones]

I sometimes wonder if the term wander has some connection to a phenomenon that we can more directly observe – nomads or nomadic tribes.

It occurs to me that there are many ways in which nomads would be able to avoid programming by static cultures, be less of a machine because of the nature of their existence meaning that they have to be more flexible and adaptable to survive wherever they happen to find themselves – more observant of both self, others and the environment, less prone to addictions because they can’t guarantee the supply of any substance in every environment and not as attached to material things because by necessity they need to travel light.

I think that these things would give them a much clearer view of the world.

Few of them seem to give up their nomadic lifestyle by choice, rather in one way or another their choices are forced.

There can be nomads whose cultures and beliefs tend to the entropic, though.

 

[cope]

Thank you jones, for your input!
More Universal..

 

[WIN 52]

If there was such a thing, that type of person would be subjected to more programming than most. Could it be a new age spin?

Within the 5th D, there seems to be 2 camps, one of STS and one of STO. From these camps beings with soul potential drop into the physical 3D experience, with memory wiped, into an STS 4D controlled land. Therein lies the conundrum!

 

[lainey]

If there was such a thing, that type of person would be subjected to more programming than most. Could it be a new age spin?

Within the 5th D, there seems to be 2 camps, one of STS and one of STO. From these camps beings with soul potential drop into the physical 3D experience, with memory wiped, into an STS 4D controlled land. Therein lies the conundrum!

Yes, Laura goes into this in more detail in the wave series. Some apparently come with the intention of helping and are so influenced by programming that they completely lose their way and get caught up in the karmic cycle once again. It is said also that because their consciousness doesn't quite fit their 3D body that they are prone to all sorts of health complaints, from allergies to serious illnesses.
IMO it is a true expression of STO to take that risk with the purpose of helping the human race to advance.

 

[MikaelYosef]

What's your take on this so-called missions they supposedly are to execute? In fact, speaking of missions, either in the Ra or Bringers of the dawn, it was mentioned that their being here is not to execute a plan if that makes sense. Like, it's not that event A will happen at some point and they are here to counter with Action B.. It made me think there being here is like a continuously spontaneous existence? Ring any bells?

Back to ze missions, what are they? Pure speculation obviously as no one would know really but nonetheless, thoughts?

PS, I don't really think they exist. Why? well because if they do... they are failing horrendously and I refuse to believe the 'good guys' can be such horrendous planners and foreseers. Anyways, if they do I think they are normal people really. Maybe not as fickle. Maybe not as well adapted. But lots of other normal people fit those boxes. I 100% don't think Haiku is a wanderer... maybe desperate to be recognized, clinging to labels, hoping for admiration, trying to rescue a sense of self-importance.. who knows. Maybe Putin... Hmmm.

Not quite sure what you're asking here. You rightly point out it's purely speculation, so not going to engage in ideas about 'missions' as it would achieve nothing. Other than that - you state you think the good guys are failing horrendously. Who said it's a rule that the good guys have to save everyone?

 

[Stefan]

I would suggest that another group of people you could look to as 'wanderers' would be musicians. It is not an easy thing to be a working, touring musician. And the ones I have come to know (quite a few) over the last 3 years are doing it from a spiritual imperative, of course with individual and varying levels of awareness of that.

The sensitivity of 'wanderers' described in the Ra material and elsewhere we can witness in the who-knows-how-many musicians who have died young, crashed and burned out one way or another.

But among the working musicians of today - again, that I have met under a slightly more spiritual umbrella - there is a sense of purpose. They know that what they do is a lesson, if there is a student who can hear. There's even the sense among some of them that music, as a more pure and human form of science (sound waves emanating endlessly, catalytic when heard, etc) are where the real scientists and 'priesthood' are found. IF, the musician is applying intent, is conscious about the potential impact music that comes from love has.

This is very interesting observation and I gave it a thought. Let's take for example people like John Lennon, James Dean, Jack London, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Elvis Presley among others, people like famous artists, musicians, and I am sure there are others that convey the the message of Love and a sense of humanity in such a way that is to be seen by a large group of people, millions of people. The New Age movement call the lightworkers (theoretically I don't even know what that means). These very advanced souls are meant to burn like flames but their lives shortened due to karmic circumstances. Once they complete their mission, their presence in 3D is no longer required. They begin to destroy own life, they just burn from inside out. They don't perform for glory and fame, they do it because they can, that's who they are, they need the stage to give forth the voice of wisdom. What would the world be like without them? Just scientists? Saviors (priests), psychologists, mathematicians, politicians, emotionless petty tyrants 'name your profession'? Madonna? Justin Beiber?

Maybe I can add up to list Nicola Tesla, Isaac Newton just to name a few amazing scientists in the same group. They are prodigies. The are the fundamental creators. They create new trends, they give new directions of humanity. They are here to give back to humanity and that is precisely what their mission is all about. My opinion, I don't know, I am just taking a wild guess here.

 

[Haiku]

As stated before, most wanderers do not wake up. I left triggers that took me 42 years to figure out, which was part of my plan from the beginning of this life. Of note: of the lives that I remember, this is the only one that I have woken up too.

Eloquent writing here by so many, I am impressed. You will have to bear with me, as I am country folk here and not so verbose.

And no, I am no glory hound. Just another individual soul working to make all ends meet.

But you are right, how do any of us know if/that we are a wanderer? I am sorry I do not have a certificate or certified letter from one infinite creator.

But, how do any of us know if/that we are a wanderer? It is a good question. Are we all sitting around (figuratively) wondering this same question?

Facets of a wanderer, Learning.

How do you learn?

" People learn in different ways. And no one has a better learning style than anyone else. Some experts say there are as many as seven different learning styles; but it's easier to narrow it down to three types of learning...

We'll call them:
Listening learners
Seeing learners
Touch / experience learners

It's simple really. Think about one of life's earliest lessons - often taught by our mothers: The Stove Can Burn You.
Listening learners heard their mother, believed the information, and never touched a stove.
Seeing learners watched their brother touch the stove, and never touched it.
Experience learners touched the stove; but only once!"

This is a simple if not funny concept for learning methods. Most individuals use only one method to learn, I do seem to learn in all of the available methods. A wanderer strives to learn as much as possible, in as many ways as possible because time is short in this 3D life to re-learn all that you need to know.

And I like your clarity for the elephant. In the gold rush days, "everybody came to California to find the elephant", interesting statement. And it was not about gold, it was about finding freedom/life/happiness amongst others. What you might call the spirit of a wanderer, your elephant.

And now I need to get back to my 3D life, laundry and house cleaning. Haiku ...

 

[casper]

As stated before, most wanderers do not wake up. I left triggers that took me 42 years to figure out, which was part of my plan from the beginning of this life. Of note: of the lives that I remember, this is the only one that I have woken up too.

Eloquent writing here by so many, I am impressed. You will have to bear with me, as I am country folk here and not so verbose.

And no, I am no glory hound. Just another individual soul working to make all ends meet.

But you are right, how do any of us know if/that we are a wanderer? I am sorry I do not have a certificate or certified letter from one infinite creator.

But, how do any of us know if/that we are a wanderer? It is a good question. Are we all sitting around (figuratively) wondering this same question?

Facets of a wanderer, Learning.

How do you learn?

" People learn in different ways. And no one has a better learning style than anyone else. Some experts say there are as many as seven different learning styles; but it's easier to narrow it down to three types of learning...

We'll call them:
Listening learners
Seeing learners
Touch / experience learners

It's simple really. Think about one of life's earliest lessons - often taught by our mothers: The Stove Can Burn You.
Listening learners heard their mother, believed the information, and never touched a stove.
Seeing learners watched their brother touch the stove, and never touched it.
Experience learners touched the stove; but only once!"

This is a simple if not funny concept for learning methods. Most individuals use only one method to learn, I do seem to learn in all of the available methods. A wanderer strives to learn as much as possible, in as many ways as possible because time is short in this 3D life to re-learn all that you need to know.

And I like your clarity for the elephant. In the gold rush days, "everybody came to California to find the elephant", interesting statement. And it was not about gold, it was about finding freedom/life/happiness amongst others. What you might call the spirit of a wanderer, your elephant.

And now I need to get back to my 3D life, laundry and house cleaning. Haiku ...

What is your role here, today, in the third density, if it might search for the persons with the necessary knowledge and your "love", you gave them more found, or are you still looking?
Are you alone or you have more?

 

[Haiku]

My role in 3D. The Star Trek non-interference directive is a start, but you have to follow thru. Blend in as to not stand out. Emote positive and STO where ever you go. Build and enjoy everything in everything. Learn and observe as much as you can. Above all, try not to go crazy from the truth of this world, this is why most wanderers do not wake up.

Facet of a wanderer – Extended Sight/4D Vision?

I saw an event that may have happened while in a 4D bubble. I say this as it has not had it happened again. You had to be in the right spot at the right time and open to a vision. When the next density becomes reality this will be common. And this is just a sampling of what this really means.

The incident happened while I was at home looking out my front window. I was taking in the view of a gorgeous day looking across my front yard. In front of my house is a 100’ x 100’ open yard, mostly used for parking the car at the end of the day. It is half field grass and half dirt (for parking upon). At the time there was a motor home and a boat residing to the right side of the parking area.

I admit I was in a very relaxed state at the time, as I just got done with some yard work behind the house, and I had just made myself a mixed drink, I was half-way thru drinking it. Anyway while looking out across the front yard, I saw what looked like a lightning bolt dragging itself across the grass. Now the bolt was not traveling at lightning speed. In fact it was stopping and going as in quick jots. When the bolt got to the tree I had just planted a few months earlier, it took off quickly and turned to my right and passed between the boat and motor home.

I thought to myself that was interesting, but to my surprise a cat showed up at the front edge of the yard right at the beginning of the lightning bolt. I stood there watching the cat as it traversed the front yard. It stopped a couple of times in exactly the spots that I saw the bolt stop. Now the cat was not traveling as fast as the bolt by any means, but the stops were exactly where I saw the bolt stop. When it got to the tree one of my dogs in my yard notices the cat and started barking at it. Well this startled the cat and it lurched across the remaining yard in the exact path the bolt went and it was traveling at a good speed. In the end the cat traveled the same path as the bolt did, stopping precisely where the bolt stopped. I admit I was a little flabbergasted by the event. I stood there for quite a while contemplating what I just saw, long enough to finish the drink I started. To myself I asked “Did I just see the path of the cat before it took it”? I did!

What I saw was 5 seconds before the actual event happened. What I call the lightning bolt was a pre-echo of the cat, for lack of a better term. It was bright and white in color. It did move faster than the cat but it traced the exact path of the cat, including stops. The echo took about 2 seconds to cross the yard, the cat took about 10 seconds. I have tried to do this again, but I have been unsuccessful. Haiku ...