emotions

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The Force is Strong With This One
EMOTIONS

what are these emotions
that dance around me
what are these feelings
that touch me
what are these energies
that flow through me
what activates my nervous system

I do not understand what they
are trying to say

I am touched by feelings
and they leave me behind confused

why do they exist
why do they touch me
why do they confuse me
and do I have to listen to them

can anyone translate them
so that I finally will understand them
cause I do not speak the language
of emotions

Sandra
 
Thanks for sharing this, Sandra. I found this poem to be deeply moving if you don't mind me saying so. I totally sympathise having been 'deafmute' on emotions for a long time - frozen as it were... until thaw came along and brought these 'things' into proper perspective. Thanks again.
 
I am a very emotional/sensitive person. And since I was young emotions seem to lead me/rule me/influence me. So I went to try to understand them, consider them. And trying to be able to handle them. Even though they seem to have a live of their own.

I sometimes feel things that sometimes seem to belong to others, if someone else feels sad, I do sometimes feel that sadness and wonder where it comes from. That is sometimes very confusing. Feeling something but not knowing what it is.

If a feeling has a real origing that can betraced, the feeling/emotion can be easily accepted, but if you I feeling something and don't know where it comes from or where it is related to it is very weird. And then to be able to deal with the feeling is much harder.

I wanted to try to find out the difference between a feeling and a emotion. But it seems hard to try to find a real difference. Has someone a clue?

Sandra
 
Oops! Thanks for expanding Sandra. Seems I misunderstood. Just helps to prove my inexperience with emotional 'stuff '.

What you are looking for might be explained here: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Empathy and here: http://cassiopedia.org/glossary/Frequency_Resonance_Vibration

When you do a search for receivership capability you will end up with a plethora of references (I got 30 of them) about that notion, which could help you out to understand those emotionally laden flashes of unknown origin a bit better, I presume.

Hope this helps a bit.
 
Sandra said:
I wanted to try to find out the difference between a feeling and a emotion. But it seems hard to try to find a real difference. Has someone a clue?

Nope, I do not know the difference. Tell you what I do think though...
Emotions and feelings can be chemical in nature. I have tried to find a definitive source, but alas... The best I have found is doing a forum search on two match words.

Chemical Emotions

I hope these two search words help provide useful information for you.
 
Sandra said:
I wanted to try to find out the difference between a feeling and a emotion. But it seems hard to try to find a real difference. Has someone a clue?

You could start with "Molecules of Emotion" by Candance B. Pert.
This will give you a good idea what emotions have a physiological basis.
Then you can explore where feelings come from.
To me feelings are first of all not ego based but are evoked by contemplating
the "terror of the situation" e.g. which always produces in me at times
overwhelming sadness.
 
Sandra said:
I wanted to try to find out the difference between a feeling and a emotion. But it seems hard to try to find a real difference. Has someone a clue?

It is an interesting question and I am not sure whether I have a clue or not. The very fact that the english language is so hopelessly limited in properly differentiating between such terms is perhaps indicative of our collective poverty in this area.

The word "feeling" is often used interchangeably with "sensing" and is often intimately connected to the body. If we say " I am feeling hot" - it describes a sensation of heat but does not necessarily have anything to do with emotions. If we ask "can I feel my body" - then also we are not really talking of any emotion but a sensing of postures and muscular tensions etc. Then when we say "I am feeling sad", then we are most likely describing an emotion which however, as medical research tells us, has an intimate connection with bodily postures and tensions. In fact Gurdjieff also talked about the connection between postures and feelings which has proved to be true through mainstream research.

[quote author=Views From The Real World]
We do not recognize to what an extent the intellectual, emotional and moving functions are mutually dependent, although, at the same time, we can be aware of how much our moods and emotional states depend on our movements and postures. If a man assumes a posture that corresponds, in him, to a feeling of grief or dejection, then within a short time he will actually feel grief or dejection. Fear, indifference, aversion and so on may be created by artificial changes of posture.
[/quote]

The modern scientific view of the relationship between postures and emotions is described in Peter Levine's "In An Unspoken Voice" - a summarized view can be found here .

In 4th way literature, Gurdjieff categorized emotions as having a "pleasant or unpleasant" quality to it - but it is not "indifferent". Feelings (in the colloquial sense) or sensations on the other hand can be neutral. But as stated above, a sensation generated from the body posture can easily evoke a pleasant or unpleasant emotion. Also emotions get expressed through body postures which generate a sensation or feeling. Overall, there seems to be a reciprocal relationship here.

The word root of emotion is also interesting - it indicates "outward motion". So emotion is likely related to internal movement and thus ties in with the body and feeling aspects.

There also exist other types of emotions - sometimes referred to as higher emotions - which may not necessarily be connected with body states with a one-to-one correspondence though a deep relaxation of the body may be a prerequisite for experiencing such emotions. Certain experiences in a deeply relaxed meditative state can possibly qualify for "higher emotions" but we do not have words to express them adequately. It probably just goes on to show how rare such experiences are in present culture.

A pertinent quote about language from Jungian analyst Robert Johnson says

[quote author=Robert Johnson]
Languages often have several terms to describe the elements of a culture that are highly regarded. Conversely, if a language has few terms or a single one to describe an element of its cultural life, then low regard or value is sometimes indicated. For example, Sanskrit, the basis for most East Indian languages, has 96 terms for love. Ancient Persian has 80, Greek has 4, English only one.
[/quote]

fwiw
 
Thanks for the responses,

Don't worry that you misunderstood Palinurus. As I reed your words I understand that you saw something in the poem that you needed to see.
The funny thing with emotions is that they are a mirror, they show what one needs to learn. But sometimes it takes time for us to really see what the feelings told us all the while. But feelings definitely influence the way we perceive the world. They can really make us deaf-mute (learnt a new English word, hihi).

Thanks for your explanation Obyvatel. It makes things clearer, I understand now (or at least I think I do).
It makes me see now that the emotions is the reaction/expression of a feeling that one has. The movement that one makes because of the influence of a feeling. That makes some sence. I have never thought of this connection. It createds order in the chaos in my head(heart).

I have some problems with emotions, but as I know now, I have a problem with expression of feelings. This changes some things. I have to think some things over now. Thanks!!

Sandra
 
A little addition.

Where do feelings come from.
I was forgotten about this. I learnt a while ago that feelings are created by our thoughts. Mostly onconsious thoughts.
What we think is what we feel. And what we feel is what we experience.

Sandra
 
Sandra said:
It makes me see now that the emotions is the reaction/expression of a feeling that one has. The movement that one makes because of the influence of a feeling. That makes some sence. I have never thought of this connection. It createds order in the chaos in my head(heart).

I have some problems with emotions, but as I know now, I have a problem with expression of feelings. This changes some things. I have to think some things over now. Thanks!!

As obyvatel mentioned, the word 'feeling' can mean either emotion or sensation depending on context. When people speak of expressing their feelings, feeling is meant in the sense of emotion - so I don't really understand the way in which you differentiate feeling and emotion above. Though emotions can be triggered by sensations, and so the first statement you make is correct in that way - though it is not always the case that this happens.

Sandra said:
Where do feelings come from.
I was forgotten about this. I learnt a while ago that feelings are created by our thoughts. Mostly onconsious thoughts.
What we think is what we feel. And what we feel is what we experience.

I think it's not that simple - engaging in emotional thinking will feed emotions, but then emotion was involved in the first place in creating this emotional thinking.

As described by Gurdjieff in Ouspensky's book In Search of The Miraculous, mostly we function from the "body level" and up:

The body reacts to external influences -> Desires arise -> Thoughts arise -> One has, according to the desires and thoughts of the moment, several contradictory "wills" that may appear and disappear.

This, though not easy, can eventually change with development - then it can become the way that many people, before observing themselves, are led to think it already is:

Body obeys desire <- Desire obeys thought <- Thought obeys will <- A single, unified conscious will.

When you get to reading ISOTM (as you mentioned in a previous post that Ouspensky was on your reading list), then I think you might get new and clearer ideas both of this and of many surrounding issues.
 
I did not know where else to post this, this is the most suitable thread I could find.

My question is about thinking. What does SOTT mean by a world for people who THINK? I know emotional thinking can be a hindrance, a huge one. But so can thinking without emotions. Is this what SOTT means?

Typically, "emotional intelligence" is defined in terms of emotional empathy, attention to, and discrimination of, one's emotions, accurate recognition of one's own and others' moods, mood management or control over emotions, response with appropriate (adaptive) emotions and behaviors in various life situations, especially to stress and difficult situations, balancing of honest expression of emotions against courtesy, consideration, and respect (i.e., possession of good social skills and communication skills). Additional, though less often mentioned qualities, include selection of work that is emotionally rewarding to avoid procrastination, self-doubt, and low achievement (i.e., good self-motivation and goal management) and a balance between work, home, and recreational life.

and the IQ. So a good level of IQ and emotional intelligence results in a person that can THINK?
 
anamaria_dinca said:
Emotions are an " impediment for progress"!

Actually, progress cannot be made without emotion. The key, from what I understand, is to learn to separate emotion that limits from emotion that opens up possibilities and perception. An awake and healthily active emotional center is absolutely necessary to advance.
 
anamaria_dinca said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNsd4AYwaJA

If you look at the relevant quotes in the video, you'll see they said

Emotions that limits is an impediment to progress. Emotions is also necessary to make progress in third density. It is natural.

Also if you have read in search of the miraculous you'll notice that it is said one can only access the higher centers through the lower emotional center.
 
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