Example of Gurdjieff's exposition of knowledge being material?

[kenlee]

So actually, I think G.'s analogy of knowledge as "material" is quite on point if we talk about real, applied knowledge in our world. There really is only a finite amount available and it cannot be any other way. It is something you can "take", in the sense of acting on it, which leads to growth; but for this to happen, others must reject the knowledge, because if everyone took their share of knowledge, everyone would only receive a little amount, and no real individual/group progress would be possible.

If one can view this 'materiality' of knowledge in terms of higher levels (or gradations) of energy then this may relate to the higher hydrogens that's spoken about in the book 'In Search Of the Miraculous.' Different levels of energy (which are still states of matter at higher levels of 'vivifingness') may be like a carrier wave of sorts that gets modulated by the greater information field and this information is 'materialized' by this energy insofar as this energy carries this information from one realm to another in, perhaps, the way a carrier wave in electronics gets modulated with information and transmitted to an appropriate receiver that's capable of demodulating this information if properly tuned (like in a hetrodyne receiver). So, perhaps, in the higher words energy, matter, and information are more closely interwoven into more of some some kind of seamless unity that we only perceive as being separate in our time/space filters at our level of reality.

So lets say that there are appropriate tuned receivers at our level of reality that can collect this information into a kind of concentrated focal points (as it were), demodulate it and then disseminate or re-transmit it back into the greater information field. Possibly, greater humanity if viewed as a system, will tune into it and the system may respond to it at different levels dependent on the level of being of the receivers (even if it's at unconscious levels) and these concentrated points may be like new branches from which new time lines may grow and emerge? I don't really know of course but it may be that these concentrated 'collecting' points may open a new potential for mankind as a whole.

 

[Villival]

Kenlee, I do believe it comes down to appropriate receivers at this level of reality. One must be mentally and spiritually strong in their own being. In other words, one must have a face to show God before one can be face to face with God. But, one's body must also have withstood many years of striving and honing or their bodies will simply not be able to withstand the onslaught of the knowledge and energyr. A person must be very vigorous in body. And very sure of themselves, though not stuck in belief. They must be grounded in spirituality. I wonder if anyone has really discussed the potential danger of "receivership" as regards the havoc it plays on the body. By the time the most intense part of my experience was over, I looked like a skeleton. All muscle and bones. What a ride! But, sometimes I worry about people who may not understand what they are getting into; that they will get fried. I certainly had no idea and just got "hit", though I am deeply grateful for it. In some respects I do believe it would be better to "be prepared" if there is such a thing as ever really being able to be prepared for being whacked by a thunderbolt that lasts for months and months!

I did read something above about virus's maybe hindering receivership? (I still haven't learned how to use this computer properly and am unsure how (yet) to view other posts as I post) but ironically, it was shingles at the base of my spine which played an instrumental part in my own awakening. So I know there is at least one virus living in my body.

The information and above posts are really great. I'm glad I came back to this forum. It gives one hope for the world.