Exercise, what do you do?

[Flow]

Awesomely put Voyeur. Self doing... It applys to all of the work. Now to answer your enquiry Flow

Hi gottathink, that's interesting. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that body therapies are the way for trauma releasing and by learning to do strength bodywork right, we won't have to go to therapies?
Can you tell me something more about it or maybe give us some researches, or explain more experiences you had in your practice? I'm really interested in that.

Yes that is it, sometimes people need some help, they can't find their way by themselves to pain free movement, but essentially we must do it ourselves. There should be no need to be fixed by others. Just like all the work if your clear something undesirable it must be replaced with the desirable. EG if we release the tension and trauma from the body we must then learn the new way of being that is strong and balanced so that we don't just collapse back into the previous state. Also the simple act of learning a new way to move will clear out the undesirable patterns.
Does that make sense? In bodywork naturopathic healthcare and allopathic medical care there is often a culture of reliance promoted. Chiropractic is a good example. I have seen so many clients attend and then the frequency increases until the point they cannot manage 2 pain free days before having to return. This is actual real clients experiences and common. To me that is just wrong, a person should be able to get some help and then need less and less of it as they learn how to care for themselves.

Yes, it makes sense to me. I was thinking today about all this while I was doing some housework today. Those patterns are so automatic and it's so hard to change them. It's not just that you have to be aware, also I notice the problem is that some of them seems so comfortable, even though not very functional and healthy for the body. I'm glad you started this topic, I've noticed I pay much more attention in everyday activities lately. So, thank you.

This is going to be little offtopic, I'm going through some hard times. What you say about experiences in your professional life, reminds me on situation I'm going through these days. I've been on antidepressants three years and stopped using them few days ago. I could stop using them even earlier, but there was exactly what you're talking about- it's like I'm used to it, I feel much better with them, there is reliance. Also, there is that huge fear of being overwhelmed with unpleasant emotions and states again and so on. So, I can understand this, this is just so big step. It's like, we're able to find help, but when the time comes when you have to stand on your feet, it's like we block and we can't do that.
What helped me in my struggle with this was that, from the beginning of taking ADs, I've had that sense that it is temporary, it is just buying time, it can't solve problems for me. And the most of all, that feeling that it's not real. No matter how good I feel, it looks like it's ok, but it's not.

To me that is just wrong, a person should be able to get some help and then need less and less of it as they learn how to care for themselves.

So, how do you deal with that in your work? Does it frustrate you, do you have some strategies to manage that kind of situations?

 

[emmanuel]

I stand up every morning 5. 30 AM and practice Qi-Gong and Tai Ji Quan for one hour/hour and half. Then is work time till 5.30 PM. In the evening I do 3 times a week some workout with dumbbell ans EE before sleep. In my spare time I go for a swim or just walk in the forest, listen to the bird singing, enjoying in green colors, smoke some tobacco...

 

[gottathink]

Awesomely put Voyeur. Self doing... It applys to all of the work. Now to answer your enquiry Flow

Hi gottathink, that's interesting. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that body therapies are the way for trauma releasing and by learning to do strength bodywork right, we won't have to go to therapies?
Can you tell me something more about it or maybe give us some researches, or explain more experiences you had in your practice? I'm really interested in that.

Yes that is it, sometimes people need some help, they can't find their way by themselves to pain free movement, but essentially we must do it ourselves. There should be no need to be fixed by others. Just like all the work if your clear something undesirable it must be replaced with the desirable. EG if we release the tension and trauma from the body we must then learn the new way of being that is strong and balanced so that we don't just collapse back into the previous state. Also the simple act of learning a new way to move will clear out the undesirable patterns.
Does that make sense? In bodywork naturopathic healthcare and allopathic medical care there is often a culture of reliance promoted. Chiropractic is a good example. I have seen so many clients attend and then the frequency increases until the point they cannot manage 2 pain free days before having to return. This is actual real clients experiences and common. To me that is just wrong, a person should be able to get some help and then need less and less of it as they learn how to care for themselves.

Yes, it makes sense to me. I was thinking today about all this while I was doing some housework today. Those patterns are so automatic and it's so hard to change them. It's not just that you have to be aware, also I notice the problem is that some of them seems so comfortable, even though not very functional and healthy for the body. I'm glad you started this topic, I've noticed I pay much more attention in everyday activities lately. So, thank you.

This is going to be little offtopic, I'm going through some hard times. What you say about experiences in your professional life, reminds me on situation I'm going through these days. I've been on antidepressants three years and stopped using them few days ago. I could stop using them even earlier, but there was exactly what you're talking about- it's like I'm used to it, I feel much better with them, there is reliance. Also, there is that huge fear of being overwhelmed with unpleasant emotions and states again and so on. So, I can understand this, this is just so big step. It's like, we're able to find help, but when the time comes when you have to stand on your feet, it's like we block and we can't do that.
What helped me in my struggle with this was that, from the beginning of taking ADs, I've had that sense that it is temporary, it is just buying time, it can't solve problems for me. And the most of all, that feeling that it's not real. No matter how good I feel, it looks like it's ok, but it's not.

To me that is just wrong, a person should be able to get some help and then need less and less of it as they learn how to care for themselves.

So, how do you deal with that in your work? Does it frustrate you, do you have some strategies to manage that kind of situations?

I think people need to be set up to take care of themselves and then an objective observer (ie my role in bodywork) can suggest a weaning off from the therapy. The patient will begin to realise they have the capacity to cope just fine, because they started to learn new things. This is a positive feedback loop. The more people realise they can do it the more they will do it. That is take care of their own needs. Some people need to let go of the need for sympathy and attention from others as a way to feed their energy. Or even to recognose when they need to give themselves permission to care for themselves. I see alot of self punishment. Of course for people who live in the USA they are perpetually in a state of stress and fear. Every civilised country except USA in the world provides healthcare that is accessible to all its citizens. People in the US healthcare is a constant boogie man. WE must let go of fear in order to actually live. Now I am a bit off topic. In regards to how I manage these issues in my clinic, I guess in a way I don't. I don't take rersponsibility for other people. I will help when asked. If people are asking it means they are looking for their own solutions. I do what I can, I make suggestions when asked, drawing from experience and what has worked for others. I do as I first mentioned propose a rehab plan and gradually space peoples appointments out.
Hope that answers your question. People discover their wings when they leap from the nest. Take the leap when sufficiently strong.

 

[s-kur]

Thanks for your explanation and sharing experience gottathink . I want to add that sometimes(and very often) most of the people need an inner or outer support to continue what had been started once. The nature of person such is if he\she don't see result of their efforts and energy expenses his\her enthusiasm gradually falls down. It's has nearly occured between me and cold baths. In the point where I have gained lower temperature and long duration of being there it was difficult for me to do it again. I remembered the shivering, the first seconds' sensations and something in me had said: don't do it, maaan, please, you gained good results, stop! But, fortunately, it did not work :P While that coward had been continuing asking and praying, my legs and back already was in the water People say that I'm crazy and they would not doing it anytime...So, in terms of Work, I think it's a invigorating goal, when you can stride through your coward. But not everyone could break the body's slave chains. Even if it has the best results and benefit. I guess that networking and sharing allows you to wake up and see your problems and difficulties from another point of view...This may occurs (and very often) when you just write this.

What about me, I'm work from 10 till 18 hrs, in 1,3,5-days of week I do exercises with dumbbells and a bark and cold bath after that(BTW, this week I had took bath BEFORE exercises, and right after that i was starting...My results of "work weight" suddenly increases on ~20% )

2,4 and 6 or 7 days of week I learn english and do EE before sleeping (just one of these week-sessions includes round breathing)...
So, recently I thought about time spending and it seems that I spend much time on myself. This thing confuses me On the other hand, when I have an task or request from others I try to make it. And mostly I do...

 

[gottathink]

S-Kur,That is so interesting that your capacity in weights workout increased after the cold bath. Cold therapy is used a lot in recovery from sports not the"warm up" or getting ready for sport and exercise. Keep us posted if this happens every time.

Yeas good point about people needing some support, otherwise it can be hard to continue. I wonder when does helping need to start and end. When is it solely someones own responsibility and when is it right to help each other with support and encouragement?
In my work I find I am very help to provide a lot of support, encouragement and help at first, but I occasionally have some clients who do not take any responsibility to go and move and learn to exercise themselves and so I am left to always move their tissues and bodys for them.
Do you find EE calms you for sleeping?

Emmanuel,

I stand up every morning 5. 30 AM and practice Qi-Gong and Tai Ji Quan for one hour/hour and half. Then is work time till 5.30 PM. In the evening I do 3 times a week some workout with dumbbell ans EE before sleep. In my spare time I go for a swim or just walk in the forest, listen to the bird singing, enjoying in green colors, smoke some tobacco...

This sounds like an awesome routine, I do not know much about Qi-Gong and I know nothing about Tai Ji Quan. I suspect these movements and practice work on many levels, particularly helping to learn how to move well, creating strength in mind body and spirit. Could you explain a bit more how you combine these two practices, and do you follow a programme or have you a lot of experience to make your own programme? How could a beginner start?

 

[Phaneron]

Hi all,

I love jogging and absolutely love the chance to "hit the trail", whenever my schedule permits. In my younger days, the schedule would be to jog 10 miles at a time (non-stop), with a 1 hour fast walk-off/cool- down period, and the body could handle it, two to three times a week. Now that this body has gotten old, the jogging distance and speed have been cut back drastically. But, when I do jog, those endorphins still kick in, and they make this old guy feel like a young man, again! Research and experience have shown me that the "runner's high" does indeed exist, and this old guy is certainly addicted to it! I made up a little saying that, while jogging, "A jogger finds a missing friend, when he finds his "second wind"'!

 

[Rich]

Yeas good point about people needing some support, otherwise it can be hard to continue. I wonder when does helping need to start and end.

I just started getting back into the gym this week and certainly needed the help at the start. I do have some equipment at home but lack the space and motivation to use it effectively. So far the gym is great and just what I needed to get back into exercising. There was a brief induction with a trainer who put together a list of exercises that I pick and choose from each time. They're resistance training, mostly with dumbbells, some machines and supersets. It's quite a motivating atmosphere to exercise in and I feel really good that I'm getting back into it.

Emmanuel,

I stand up every morning 5. 30 AM and practice Qi-Gong and Tai Ji Quan for one hour/hour and half. Then is work time till 5.30 PM. In the evening I do 3 times a week some workout with dumbbell ans EE before sleep. In my spare time I go for a swim or just walk in the forest, listen to the bird singing, enjoying in green colors, smoke some tobacco...

This sounds like an awesome routine, I do not know much about Qi-Gong and I know nothing about Tai Ji Quan. I suspect these movements and practice work on many levels, particularly helping to learn how to move well, creating strength in mind body and spirit. Could you explain a bit more how you combine these two practices, and do you follow a programme or have you a lot of experience to make your own programme? How could a beginner start?
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I don't know what they are either but hats off to you for getting up at that time to do that. I don't know how you do it .

 

[Ca.]

On occasion I will work with my neighbor splitting wood. And then stacking them into stairs, (with cords being close to the same in the states).

He uses a commercial tractor. The unit has a receiver, that attaches a (very powerful, and dangerous), hydraulic wood splitting application to its rear.

As a trade, he always accommodates me (for my efforts), with a nice size wheelbarrow of hardwood. That will need some time to season before burning.

In order to accommodate the stove's size, (and speed the drying time), I will handsaw the wood (split), rounds from 50cm to 25cm.

Next to interval weight training, stacking and cutting has proven to be a blood moving and heart pumping exercise. With some rounds weighing in at 9 kg.

It's a great workout. With an added benefit of providing a means to prepare for the upcoming winter.

Old school log cutting

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[Ina]

I walk at least 5km every day. Every Saturday morning I practice my golf swing for two hours, and on Sundays I play tennis. Recently I found a program, face yoga, a combination of arms, face and neck muscles and breathing exercises that I seriously consider adding on a daily basis. All's well I think, if it wasn't for the 'muscle memory' which turns the exercise part into a routine similar to driving a car. For me the more I 'move' the higher the energy, like a dynamo. However that impacts on my focus as my anxiety increases as well which impairs my emotional self control, and makes me aggressive, which I could not hate more about myself of being able to display.

I think I have some problems exercising.