Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen - YouTube video

Gonzo

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This is a video of a father who, after reading his teenage daughter's Facebook comment in which she complains about her chores and which she thought she had locked her parents away from seeing, decides to respond in his own way, which includes reading the daughter's FB post, his rebuttal, and then an interaction between his 9 mm semiautomatic handgun and her laptop:
Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen
_http://youtu.be/kl1ujzRidmU (original URL: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU)

Although I don't condone excessive punishments, like grounding a kid for 3+ months, I do believe in holding our children accountable for their actions and issuing age-appropriate consequences. While my kids might consider me strict, in comparison to this guy, I come out looking pretty good. :cool2:

Note: There is some foul language, both in the daughter's FB post that the father reads, and possibly in his own rant.

Gonzo
 
Gonzo said:
Although I don't condone excessive punishments, like grounding a kid for 3+ months, I do believe in holding our children accountable for their actions and issuing age-appropriate consequences.

Regarding arguments between child and parent, I thought this was a pretty interesting article:

Why A Teen Who Talks Back May Have A Bright Future

Bottom line: Effective arguing acted as something of an inoculation against negative peer pressure. Kids who felt confident to express themselves to their parents also felt confident being honest with their friends.

So, ironically the best thing parents can do is help their teenager argue more effectively. For this, Allen offers one word: listen.
 
Oxajil said:
Gonzo said:
Although I don't condone excessive punishments, like grounding a kid for 3+ months, I do believe in holding our children accountable for their actions and issuing age-appropriate consequences.

Regarding arguments between child and parent, I thought this was a pretty interesting article:

Why A Teen Who Talks Back May Have A Bright Future

Bottom line: Effective arguing acted as something of an inoculation against negative peer pressure. Kids who felt confident to express themselves to their parents also felt confident being honest with their friends.

So, ironically the best thing parents can do is help their teenager argue more effectively. For this, Allen offers one word: listen.

it really depends on the mental state of your parents, in another words, I believe that you need to be a bit lucky to have parents that won't constantly abuse you mentally or physically.

For other kids, it was an entirely different story. "They would back down right away," says Allen, saying they felt it pointless to argue with their parents. This kind of passivity was taken directly into peer groups, where these teens were more likely to acquiesce when offered drugs or alcohol. "These were the teens we worried about," he says.
 
I don't disagree with most of what he did, but I think taking a gun to the computer was over the top. He should have filmed himself giving it to charity so that somebody who appreciates what they get would receive it.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that this man's video is too much? Wouldn't this only serve to make his relationship with his daughter even more difficult?
 
From the little data this clip provides it seems like that their relations was as opposed and apart as it can get under same roof before the laptop shooting. She was supposedly acting out to distance herself from parents (perhaps oppositionally attaching to peer group values) and having narcissitic entitlement tantrums which may suggest something about the parents personalities. But I imagine no gentle persuasion is going to teach her about responsibility, So personally I think some tough life lesson is in order. Although I find the shooting to be way over the top (all about dads rage) and will not be forgiven any time soon, not that I think she would easily see the point if it was given to charity, but that would have made it a noble and valuable point.
 
Yeah, it's pretty sad. But then, that's what happens when you indulge a kid to the max and they spend all their time with peers and watching TV, etc. On the other hand, I don't think we really have enough data to do more than "blink" - and those blinks may be off.
 
fwiw, more details from the story on his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii And check out his update post from yesterday (just scroll down a bit). Here is a quote from it:

The kids today ARE self entitled, spoiled, adverse to working, and basically have NO usable skills taught to them in schools. (Yes some of you out there excel. If you've graduated high school and at least pay some of your own bills, then I'm not talking to you. If you however are 25 and live with your parents because you're too lazy to get a job, then yes, I'm talking to you. Half of that is the parent's fault for thinking that the school system is supposed to raise their kids. The other half is a parent's fault for letting our school systems get to the utterly pathetic state they are in. It's your kid.. so no matter what it's ALWAYS your fault.. get it?

I'll give you a real example from the NC school system. My daughter just finished Honors Geometry in school. Halfway through the semester she asks me "Dad, can you help me type this math problem into your graphing calculator? I can't get the equation to come out right." I said "sure" and went over to help out. The problem was about calculating the tangent of a line, but I can't remember the specifics of it at the moment. I took a look at it and said "Honey, why don't you just do the problem manually... you know, on a piece of paper? It's pretty easy."

She honestly looked at me like I was a complete idiot! "You can't do it with a pencil and paper, Dad. Sheesh!"

I stared at her dumbfounded. "Honey, you DO know that tangential math has been around since the 1600s, right? Over 500 years. Long BEFORE graphing calculators existed..., right?"
Her response was "Well, we're not taught that. We're just taught how to enter it into a calculator and get the right answer."

Absolutely SURE she must be crazy, I checked.... and she's right. HONORS mathematics at the high school level doesn't teach kids basic math principles. At all!!! If a modern honors geometry student had to calculate the distance of a line from the top of a flag pole to any point in space relative to the ground.. they have no idea how to do it. (How many of you just asked your kids to show you how to do that? Wait... how many more are Googling it right now? Stop. That's cheating.)

Further, almost every state now is taking "writing" out of schools. Kids are now being taught to print, and that's it. No need for actual writing because they all have computers. I'm NOT making this up! This is TRUE!! They learn the alphabetic characters... and nothing more. The age of eloquent thought borne by patient strokes of pen to paper... are gone like Rhett Butler's sex appeal.

So let me recap... you don't learn math, you don't learn to write actual words without the benefit of spell-check. You don't apparently learn grammar either because I've SEEN those text books and quizzes.. horrible.

Yet you want ME to stop raising MY child with old fashioned methods that actually made me fairly intelligent, capable of fending for myself, capable of managing money, holding a job, respecting my elders, etc?

So you can replace it with what? You want to teach kids it's OK to talk back to parents as long as they have the freedom to express themselves. You want to outlaw spankings. You've obviously made it OK for them to be stupid upon graduating high school. You've recently made it illegal for kids to work around any animal that can harm them under the age of 18, to include working in hay lofts, around dogs, or cats, horses, or cattle, etc. (Thanks for that law Obama.. idiot) You won't let them work in a restaurant that serves alcohol until 18 in most states. You won't let them work at ALL until 15 (It was 13 for me, but Dad lied and got me started when I was 12). When are they supposed to learn actual adult stuff exactly? When do they learn responsibility? No kid left behind? Pfft.. EVERY kid left behind! (Dang I'm mad now.. maybe I WILL run for President... no, wife already vetoed that one. I'd really love to though.. really, seriously!)

"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
 
Keit said:
fwiw, more details from the story on his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii And check out his update post from yesterday (just scroll down a bit). Here is a quote from it:

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He makes a very good point (although the poor education system is not a cause but an effect of the control system). I came out of school a confused mess, after countless years allowing people to feed on my energy without understanding why. It is only through intense self work (before I'd even heard of The Work) that I managed to learn how to function properly in society. The school system really does beat us down, but at least it gives us challenges to overcome in order to develop our will :).

As for shooting the laptop and posting it for all her friends to see, it seemed more about boosting the dad's ego than helping his daughter sort herself out..
 
He's right. I would suggest not judging this situation unless you have already successfully transited the raising of teenagers in the past decade or two.
 
Also remember that it's unlikely anyone would be talking about this right now if he hadn't shot the laptop. Giving it to charity might have been the better choice, but would the video still have gone viral? Maybe, but it wouldn't have generated near the attention it has. It seems that the whole thing has acted as a way to bring a serious issue into the public discussion, and might actually wake some people up to the fact that changes to the education system, and parenting itself, are churning out a bunch of narcissistic kids who are incapable of actually doing anything, including think. Since no one was harmed by his actions, I can't help but think it was the right thing to do. It might have been a result of dad's rage, but maybe it should be looked at as an expression of righteous anger.
 
Yeah, it's really frightening how much things have changed in such a short time. The amount of attention this seems to be getting can be a good thing.
 
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