Facebook Parenting: For the troubled teen - YouTube video

hjackson said:
SeekinTruth said:
Can you clarify what you mean?
For the herdsmen, if the waists of the cattle were below regulation.

hjackson, this has been brought up to you before, but since you continue to make short, cryptic comments that often come across as sarcastic, I'll point it out again. It is very important on this forum to post clearly and with external consideration. Please keep this in mind and write for other people, not just for yourself. Your comments on the sott page often fall into the blatantly sarcastic category - but this is not the sott page, this is the cassiopaean forum, and, as such, it's important to follow the spirit and guidelines of this forum if you are going to participate.
 
Well years ago when my daughter was staying up all night with her computer watching videos, skipping school, and not handing in assignments - after the millionth phone call from the dean saying she hadn't shown up or had shown up late; and more besides this - I caught her one night at 4 AM with her computer, took it away from her drowned it in the sink.

The only way she could get another one was to get a job and buy her own which she did.

My daughter has never been disrespectful to me. She just hated school.
 
hjackson said:
Maybe teachers should be allowed to shoot laptops. I'm entertaining the idea.
hjackson said:
What is this obsession with destroying computers? Do we cut people's hands off if they've stolen?

Did you read anart's reply?

Cause I honestly have no clue what you are talking about.
 
hjackson said:
What is this obsession with destroying computers? Do we cut people's hands off if they've stolen?
Hey hj,

Can you give a fuller reply so that others can understand you better? :)
 
It's a tool, I don't see the sense in destroying it. I can see that some older people might not see the value in it, but much of what's done or can be done with computers is reading and writing. Our tools are extensions of our bodies, you wouldn't destroy your writing utensils.
 
Keit said:
fwiw, more details from the story on his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii And check out his update post from yesterday (just scroll down a bit). Here is a quote from it:


"Modern" parenting raises ill-prepared kids who can't do anything and have no skills because they're protected from even LEARNING them until 18 years old, at which time you want us parents to throw them out into the world, send them off to college, and expect them to be productive members of society? You can take your "modern" parenting, and shove it. Jeezus people. Half of you think chores at 15 are too much! God forbid we make them actually WORK too!
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This video posted to you tube on feb 8th - 3 days back 18 million hits and 200,000 likes and 15,000 dislikes. (If this is true) This tells intensity of child lazyness and rebelliousness issue in the western society. Kids becomes mentally lazy and gets used to gossiping and dependent on the tools that will stop working if there is no electricity for 8 hrs.

My kids talk as if apple products are the only real products . why?. that is what they see in the schools. Now, they are replacing school books with i-pads for some notebooks and home work. This i-pad/ or any tablet battery lasts for 10 hrs max with 20 to 30 times more wi-fi radiation emitting ( than with out it) . tomorrow, one grid breakage happens, the entire civilization goes back to neanderthal age with in months with no ability to think.

Why is this obsessive, excessive dependence on the cool new dangerous, dumb tools, that die that moment they drop on floor or for a drop of water. simple. Apple guys feed the school district or educational administrators , that becomes norm to suck the money from property taxes which reach the tens of thousands of dollars in some townships in NJ. School teacher unions have excessive manipulative power in state politics and every body feeding each other as if there is no tomorrow, sucking every thing including the future of the kids they are supposed to shape.
 
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Why is this obsessive, excessive dependence on the cool new dangerous, dumb tools, that die that moment they drop on floor or for a drop of water. simple. Apple guys feed the school district or educational administrators , that becomes norm to suck the money from property taxes which reach the tens of thousands of dollars in some townships in NJ. School teacher unions have excessive manipulative power in state politics and every body feeding each other as if there is no tomorrow, sucking every thing including the future of the kids they are supposed to shape.

Many - or even most - teachers do not want this technology because it can be used to replace them. The change in curriculum, the dumbing down of students, the campaign to rate teachers based on student test scores, are all corporate driven. Corporations hate teachers unions just as they hate all unions. They want to replace public schools with private ones, (charters),and pay teachers almost nothing and work them twice as hard.

Corporations were behind No Child Left Behind to usher in charter schools once public schools were rated failing. They also came up with the protocol that would insure that the public schools failed. In many cases, these charters use public school buildings without paying any rent for them, and do not accept struggling students. Their aim to to eradicate public education - just as they want to do away with the post office - to replace both infrastructures with corporate ones.

It's a total scam, and of course everyone blames the teachers and their unions

quote from hjackson:

It's a tool, I don't see the sense in destroying it. I can see that some older people might not see the value in it, but much of what's done or can be done with computers is reading and writing. Our tools are extensions of our bodies, you wouldn't destroy your writing utensils.

If they are misused, computers are much more a distraction than a tool. There is so much going on on line that the mind has difficulty focusing. I use a pen or a pencil to write something on paper, but after I'm done, I don't linger for hours with my writing implements. I go on to something else. But it's not like that with computers.

Computers can be real challenges to parental authority because they're so seductive, the sound can be lowered, and the parent often has no idea to which sites the child is going, who he/she is talking to, what values are being inculcated etc.

Going back to computers in classrooms, I was hired a few years ago to assist a former colleague conduct, (I can't say teach because the role for the teacher was merely to assign finite short online passages according to grade level and monitor scores), a reading class that was online. Interestingly enough, it was found that the students did not want to advance because once the reading level went up, the work got more difficult. Since the reading passages were unrelated, and there was no reinforcement or reason to read any passage, it must have seemed to the students just random work that led nowhere. They had no real world motivation for wanting to improve their reading skills, so they didn't.

In terms of cost, the school had to buy the computers, set aside a special room for them, hire me, pay for the online curriculum and for the training of the teachers. The school also had to pay to fix the keys that the kids pulled off the keyboard. Apparently, it must have been more rewarding to do that than to read the passages. But the students couldn't go off into cyberspace - the program kept them glued to the reading passages that they had no interest in reading.
 
I had read some of the father's comments when the video first went viral. Unfortunately, he's using the newfangled FB Timeline and you can't go back and read all of what he's written on the subject.

Hopefully, I can accurately reflect some of what he said.

One of the posts he had written discussed the punishment, his relationship with his daughter and why he did what he did. He was a bit overwhelmed at the attention and wasn't at all expecting anything near the response the video had garnered. He didn't see it something helpful to his family or his daughter.

He stated that he only intended for the video to reach the same audience that his daughter had written the initial letter to - their small group of friends and family. He said that when he was a child, his parents would discipline him according to what he did. If he did something wrong in public, his parents would discipline him in public. So, that was his reason for posting it in public. He is refusing to go on any talk shows, radio shows or anything like that since he thought that would be teaching his daughter that it is okay for him or her to gain profit from the situation, and such attention should really be used for more important things. Plus he didn't really trust the capabilities of the media to accurately portray the situation. He also wrote about how he talked to his daughter afterwards and that while she initially had her tantrum and crying, they sat down to discuss it afterwards. She understood and accepted the discipline. They joked about some of the absurdity of many of the comments that she will kill herself, that she will become a stripper, etc. She said it stunk that she didn't have her laptop anymore, but it wasn't the end of the world. She also joked that she was hopeful there would be jobs available to a teenager who got her laptop shot other than what some of the comments suggested. She also suggested that since people were wanting to buy the shot up laptop, that perhaps he should also shoot up her phone so she could get a better one. He offered to allow her to either write a public response or make a video about what she thought but she didn't want to. He was a bit dismayed over the view that many held about the weakness/fragility of children. He saw his daughter as a strong person, and spoke highly of her in this regard.

They seemed to have a good bond. He didn't seem to gain any pleasure in doling out the discipline in the video, and he sure comes across as not at all liking the attention it's received. He is using the situation to raise funds for Muscular Dystrophy, and has had some success. He seems like a decent person to me.
 
hjackson said:
It's a tool, I don't see the sense in destroying it. I can see that some older people might not see the value in it, but much of what's done or can be done with computers is reading and writing. Our tools are extensions of our bodies, you wouldn't destroy your writing utensils.

The best tool you have, if you choose to use it, is your mind. If you can find a stick and draw in the dirt, you can learn to read and write. If someone takes you on, you can learn a skill or a trade.

That's stood the test of time.

Computers are a blip in history, and so far they are being pushed onto people to make them stupid and easier to control. I can't think of many people under 25 who could cope very well if the power grid ever went down for good. :rolleyes:

I'm in agreement with what the father did, though I don't think I'd resort to a firearm to make the same point. Giving it to someone who deserves it and could use it would work. But, men do things different. ;) (I don't like to waste things, that's why I'd wipe it and give it to someone else.)
 
Shane said:
I had read some of the father's comments when the video first went viral. Unfortunately, he's using the newfangled FB Timeline and you can't go back and read all of what he's written on the subject.

Hopefully, I can accurately reflect some of what he said.

One of the posts he had written discussed the punishment, his relationship with his daughter and why he did what he did. He was a bit overwhelmed at the attention and wasn't at all expecting anything near the response the video had garnered. He didn't see it something helpful to his family or his daughter.

He stated that he only intended for the video to reach the same audience that his daughter had written the initial letter to - their small group of friends and family. He said that when he was a child, his parents would discipline him according to what he did. If he did something wrong in public, his parents would discipline him in public. So, that was his reason for posting it in public. He is refusing to go on any talk shows, radio shows or anything like that since he thought that would be teaching his daughter that it is okay for him or her to gain profit from the situation, and such attention should really be used for more important things. Plus he didn't really trust the capabilities of the media to accurately portray the situation. He also wrote about how he talked to his daughter afterwards and that while she initially had her tantrum and crying, they sat down to discuss it afterwards. She understood and accepted the discipline. They joked about some of the absurdity of many of the comments that she will kill herself, that she will become a stripper, etc. She said it stunk that she didn't have her laptop anymore, but it wasn't the end of the world. She also joked that she was hopeful there would be jobs available to a teenager who got her laptop shot other than what some of the comments suggested. She also suggested that since people were wanting to buy the shot up laptop, that perhaps he should also shoot up her phone so she could get a better one. He offered to allow her to either write a public response or make a video about what she thought but she didn't want to. He was a bit dismayed over the view that many held about the weakness/fragility of children. He saw his daughter as a strong person, and spoke highly of her in this regard.

They seemed to have a good bond. He didn't seem to gain any pleasure in doling out the discipline in the video, and he sure comes across as not at all liking the attention it's received. He is using the situation to raise funds for Muscular Dystrophy, and has had some success. He seems like a decent person to me.
Glad to see the balanced thinking and decisions of this man in this Zombie land . Hope he will not be influenced further.
 
webglider said:
If they are misused, computers are much more a distraction than a tool. There is so much going on on line that the mind has difficulty focusing. I use a pen or a pencil to write something on paper, but after I'm done, I don't linger for hours with my writing implements. I go on to something else. But it's not like that with computers.
So wait until you think they're mature enough. That's no reason to act destructively.
webglider said:
Computers can be real challenges to parental authority because they're so seductive, the sound can be lowered, and the parent often has no idea to which sites the child is going, who he/she is talking to, what values are being inculcated etc.
Computers aren't a necessity to "challenging parental authority".
webglider said:
They had no real world motivation for wanting to improve their reading skills, so they didn't.
I believe that's a problem with a lot of education.
 
hjackson, I just took a look at your posting history and realized that you wrote one of the least informative newbie intros I've ever read. In short, none of us know a thing about you, your background, skills, etc. Are you married? Do you have children? What ages? What kind of work do you do? What are your competencies? Why should we give your posts/ideas any attention at all? How about correcting that deficiency? Otherwise, you just come across as an empty wiseacre.
 
Laura said:
Otherwise, you just come across as an empty wiseacre.
I don't have a degree in physics like Ark, so yes.
Laura said:
Why should we give your posts/ideas any attention at all?
One shouldn't, reading your posts would probably be sufficient.
 
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