False prophets of truth?

TyBiggs85

TyBiggs85

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I'm sure this topic has been discussed. I have been researching other supposed truth seekers work. Are Stewart Swerdlow and David Icke programmed to copy Laura and Ark's work, but then they distort and disinform the public about the true nature of our reality? A lot of what they have to say is similar to Laura's work, but it seems like they have not done near the amount of research or experimentation that Mrs. Jadzcyk has investigated. I would love to know the source of Icke and Swerdlows information.
 
search on David Icke, you will find Lot meat to prove he is a cointelpro. I haven't heard about Stewart Swerdlow before, but 14 years in Montaulk project makes him suspicious . If you haven't read Wave serius you may want to read it. It is available on the net .
 
KnowledgeJunkie2012 said:
I'm sure this topic has been discussed. I have been researching other supposed truth seekers work. Are Stewart Swerdlow and David Icke programmed to copy Laura and Ark's work, but then they distort and disinform the public about the true nature of our reality? A lot of what they have to say is similar to Laura's work, but it seems like they have not done near the amount of research or experimentation that Mrs. Jadzcyk has investigated. I would love to know the source of Icke and Swerdlows information.
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I think that's quite a good description, at least to my understanding. You can use the search function here on the forum, and also on the main cassiopaea.org site and you should find plenty of material to read (pretty much confirming what you've stated).
 
I am deep in to the wave series currently. There is so much information in this series, I love it. Laura really has done her homework. Not to idolize her, because I know thats not the kind of attention she wants, but I I do deeply respect her writing and research.
 
isn't a false prophet a person that dies for guiding us in beliefs, whatever the system, whatever the costume?
 
False prophet is language taken from the Christian Bible. It refers to prophets who pretended to be representing Jehovah but who were actually influenced by other forces. As I think is discussed elsewhere, at one point Jehovah actually admits to putting spirits upon the prophets by which to mislead the elite.

Thus I do not think that "false prophet" is necessarily a good choice of terminology. You should use something more specific which does not carry a biblical gloss. Generally on this forum Cointellpro is commonly used to refer to someone who is willingly leading others astray. Another type is someone who is being used by higher density STS beings in order to distract others from the truth through disinformation.
 
Etymologically, prophet is the one that says things by anticipation of some events. What a lot of people do right now through lies. -->Lash, fulford, wilcock, sheridan... the list is long ok. Etymologically, Nostre-Damus was a prophet. And I don't think it has something religious about him. But I may make a mistake there.
False prophet is a paradoxical nomination, now you lift the veil.
Whether a prophet doesn't tell the truth, time would show and he/she won't be a prophete anymore.

I don't know if I make myself clear here... :-[
 
I understand how you are defining it. I simply said that the original terminology is biblical. The term was later adopted by many different individuals such as in the New Age movement.

The dictionary definition is "A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed." It comes from Greek. Pro means "for" and phet is from Phanai which means "speak". Thus to speak for god. Therefore a false prophet would be someone who claims to be speaking for their god when in fact they are speaking either out of their own consciousness or for another god.
 
I do understand you well. Though if I follow you there, we should always use prophet with god after: thus prophet god. The one who's talking for God. And we don't do.
Etymologically pro is also before. Pro/phet: the one that talks before.
Hence the prophecies.
 
Manille, we are saying the same thing. You are trying to say that a prophet does not necessarily have to have a message from a god. I am saying that there are many different labels such as seer, diviner, fortune teller, precog, etc for this kind of phenomena. I agree that it is possible for someone to give a message regarding the future regardless of religion, my point was simply that the earlier usage of the two word noun phrase "false prophet" comes from a translation of the bible.

As Gurdjieff pointed out, human languages are subjective and automatically lead to misunderstandings as they are directly related to the internal world of the speaker as well as the internal world of the listener, both which cannot match exactly.

I am not keen on the phrase "false prophet" as I think it has too much of a biblical gloss. I could say charlatan, fraud, or any number of other words meaning the same thing. If you wish to use the words "false prophet" that is your choice and I am fine with that.

FWIW
 
I understood your biblical point. But then I came to underline another thing. You suggest we should find another way to call the false prophet. and I add false prophet is a nonsense, whatever, and it has nothing to deal with god. So, I agreed with you on that point.

I just disagreed with the definition you gave to prophet: "A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed." It comes from Greek. Pro means "for" and phet is from Phanai which means "speak". Thus to speak for god.

To my mind, nothing in prophet is related to god etymologically. Because we would have to add theos behind prophet for the divine would be included in the sense of it.
Then that the catholics or new age followers wanted to add "false" to it, is a thing... it doesn't add the name of god neither.

So, no we are not saying the same. To say things by advance is a human skill, by the less. It doesn't need god, hence the etymology of pro/phet. And seers, diviners, fortune-tellers are accompanied by angels or gods all the time.

It needs conditions of the mind and the body, where messages coming from the inner. Most of the time people don't get the surge of the prophecy, but just when it hits the nerve cells of the brain. They consequently don't know what to do. Until it won't come up again.
But maybe the greeks are new-agers for you, which could explain your answer clearly. i won't be opposed to that, by the way...

We are maybe all sleeping-prophets that just ask to wake up. I mean we may all have that skill. I guess it could deserve a fatwah to say that.

With new age theories, we only need to give our energy to invisible beings that don't raise a wing for putting us off of that mess.
Skills are in us.
It is like if one was constantly asking the capacity of speech, though he/she would already be gifted from... His/her parents would be fed up someday.
 
abeofarrell said:
As Gurdjieff pointed out, human languages are subjective and automatically lead to misunderstandings as they are directly related to the internal world of the speaker as well as the internal world of the listener, both which cannot match exactly.
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Ok, so may you take your time to read me well, this time. ;)
 
Oh, I see. You had a problem with my etymology. I looked it up on an online dictionary, which wasn't a good source. Now I looked it up on an etymology site:

_http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=prophet&searchmode=none

prophet
late 12c., from O.Fr. prophete (11c.), from L. propheta, from Gk. prophetes (Doric prophatas) "an interpreter, spokesman," especially of the gods, from pro- "before" (see pro-) + root of phanai "to speak," from PIE *bha- (2) "speak" (see fame). Used in Septuagint for Heb. nabj "soothsayer." By early writers, Gk. prophetes was translated by L. vates, but the Latinized form propheta predominated in post-Classical times, chiefly due to Christian writers, probably because of pagan associations of vates. Non-religious sense is from 1848; used of Muhammad from 1610s (translating Arabic al-nabiy, and sometimes also al-rasul, prop. "the messenger"). The Latin word is glossed in O.E. by witga. Prophetess is recorded from c.1300.

and for the prefix pro:

pro-
prefix meaning "before, forward, in favor of, in place of," from L. pro "on behalf of, in place of, before, for," also in some cases from cognate Gk. pro "before, in front of," both from PIE *pro-, extended form of root *por- "forward, through" (cf. Skt. para "beyond," pra- "before, forward, forth;" Gk. paros "before," para- "from beside, against, beyond;" Goth. faura "before," O.E. fore "before, for, on account of," fram "forward, from"). Pro and con is attested from c.1400, short for pro and contra "for and against" (L. pro et contra).

So now I see that it can mean both "on behalf of" and also "before". I didn't realize that. I thought of just "pre-" as meaning before. You are correct that there is no reference to god in the word. I was also wrong in saying it first came from the bible.

I am an English teacher but I am definitely not so strong with etymology. Thank you for your feedback.

One other question if you don't mind. What do you mean by "dies by guiding us in beliefs"?
 
I wrote: "dies for guiding us in beliefs" from the expression to die for. To have the desire for.
 
Manille said:
isn't a false prophet a person that dies for guiding us in beliefs, whatever the system, whatever the costume?
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Perhaps I exaggerated when I referred to David Icke and Stewart Swerdlow as prophets, or false prophets at that. Maybe with all the premonition and knowledge these two claim to know, they may not be false prophets in the biblical sense, but in the New Age forum they may be considered New Age prophets with their prospective agendas. It seems as though, the word prophet has been compared with that of a martyr. I now consider them to be Agent Provacateurs! But who really knows for sure on our level of density, except of course, the usual 4D suspects.
 
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