Farewell to incandescent light

H-kqge said:
Aye carumba!

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2533109/New-flat-light-bulb-lasts-22-YEARS-bright-traditional-60W-one-save-80.html

Aïe aïe aïe!

This is not good at all.

Minas Tirith said:
There is another thread
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33163.msg457424.html#msg457424

where Mr. Scott explains that a dimmable LED (dimming is actually achieved by "flashing") is quite similar to a Strobe light.

M.T.

Well that answers one of my questions right away (about a possible strobing effect).

It then led me to this session (no pun intended).

November 18 said:
A: Strobe lights are used for 3rd density mind control.

Q: (L) Strobe lights located where? What brought that up?

A: We have picked up your thought waves, which are progress oriented, and are trying to assist you in your increased learning and progress frequency wave. You see, this increases the energy level!!

Q: (L) Okay. You mentioned the strobe lights. Are these strobe lights that are used to control minds, are these something that we would or might come in contact with on a daily basis?

A: Do you not already know? We didn’t say: some strobe lights, we said: strobe lights, i.e., all-inclusive!

Q: (T) Strobe lights come in many forms and types. TV is a strobe light. Computer screens are a strobe light. Light bulbs strobe, fluorescent strobe, streetlights strobe.

A: Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks… How long has this been true? Have you noticed any changes lately??!!??

Q: (F) Twenty years ago there were no strobe lights on any of those vehicles mentioned. They had the old flasher type lights. Now, more and more and more there are strobe lights appearing in all kinds of places. (L) And now, they even have them on school buses! (T) And the regular city buses have them too, now. (L) Okay, is the strobe of a strobe light set at a certain frequency in order to do certain things?

A: Hypnotic opener.

And those kind of strobe lights (police cars, ambulances etc.) are indeed LEDs.

This seems bad. My eyes and head hurt just thinking about it.
 
And those quotes from that session have never left my mind. These lights feel like an "oppressive weight" on my being. By the time I switch them on & they've "warmed up I slowly begin to feel tired by them & I find myself automatically squinting. It gets really bad after hours of reading, I'm just thankful for daylight so I can switch the damn things off. I forgot that I purposely stocked candles months ago because of this, & I barely used them, (it's a bit tricky where I am as I'm surrounded by boxes &... stuff, 99% which isn't mine) but I'll renew my efforts to strategically place them around me. I'll need quite a few if i'm not going to use light bulbs. Now, how to deal with the bulbs in the rest of the house..
 
H-kqge, I am still finding incandescent bulbs here in the UK. Recently bought a few in a small shop, and as far as I could see, they carried all sizes. But, it's definitely time to stock up now!

M.T.

EDIT: Just did a quick search on Ebay (UK) and there are also quite a few, f.e. 10 bulbs (100, 60 or 40, but also some 25) for £5-7 with Free shipping.

The worst thing to be done - and it will probably come - is that new lamp sockets will be altered in a way that only new bulbs will fit ...
 
Minas Tirith said:
H-kqge, I am still finding incandescent bulbs here in the UK. Recently bought a few in a small shop, and as far as I could see, they carried all sizes. But, it's definitely time to stock up now!

M.T.

EDIT: Just did a quick search on Ebay (UK) and there are also quite a few, f.e. 10 bulbs (100, 60 or 40, but also some 25) for £5-7 with Free shipping.

The worst thing to be done - and it will probably come - is that new lamp sockets will be altered in a way that only new bulbs will fit ...

Minas Tirith, I too am in UK & thanks for the heads-up. I haven't found them in shops that i've been to but no matter, Amazon should be able to take care of that - while stocks last. Monday after work I'll look around more, fortunately I have enough money to buy A LOT of them if the prices I've looked at are to be believed.
 
JayMark said:
Redrock12 said:
Just stocked up yesterday on 100W incandescents. As of Jan 01, stores can no longer bring in 100W bulbs in Canada.
What a crock!

Your friendly neighborhood PTB at work.

Working, that is, to tighten the screws. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Didn't see that one coming. But here it is. Apparently, both 75 W and 100 W light bulbs are going off the market as of today. And as if it weren't bad enough, in exactly one year, 40 W and 60 W will go as well.

Hi JayMark,

I found a lot of 100 W yesterday while going to Canac Marquis. I spoke with a man working there and he told me that they have quite a lot in inventory. So if you want to stock some, you still have the time.
 
I am in the purpose of stocking them too, I bought some for the new apartment, I need more. I had never liked the fluorescent ones, and some couple of years ago, the government said that their purpose was to end with the era of the incandescent ones, hopefully they are still at the stores.

Later I learned about the dangers of the fluorescent ones, though I started to dislike them years back, since it reminded me about the "light environment of the office", "home sweet home" should have a different kind of light, more friendly, inviting, cosy. I supposed that's why I was not that enthusiastic into getting to the cellular phones fashion.
 
Gandalf said:
JayMark said:
Redrock12 said:
Just stocked up yesterday on 100W incandescents. As of Jan 01, stores can no longer bring in 100W bulbs in Canada.
What a crock!

Your friendly neighborhood PTB at work.

Working, that is, to tighten the screws. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Didn't see that one coming. But here it is. Apparently, both 75 W and 100 W light bulbs are going off the market as of today. And as if it weren't bad enough, in exactly one year, 40 W and 60 W will go as well.

Hi JayMark,

I found a lot of 100 W yesterday while going to Canac Marquis. I spoke with a man working there and he told me that they have quite a lot in inventory. So if you want to stock some, you still have the time.

Thanks Gandalf. It's indeed a good idea to stock them and it's not very expensive (at least).
 
I conducted a light bulb haul at my local Family Dollar today. They only had 60W and 40W bulbs. 60W is good enough for me so I bought a bunch of 4 packs for 2 bux each.
 
Philips SlimStyle LED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=innoI4Ey9C8

They probably set the LEDs in the shape of a horseshoe in order to avoid overheating, but now they have a shadow. :rolleyes:
 
Persej said:
Philips SlimStyle LED: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=innoI4Ey9C8

They probably set the LEDs in the shape of a horseshoe in order to avoid overheating, but now they have a shadow. :rolleyes:

Wait a minute...

slimstyle LED video said:
If you look at those two bulbs side-by-side you'll see that it's got a less yellowy tone, more of a soft white natural light tone...

Eh?

light bulbs and efficiency... what a load of crap.

Says one YouTube commentator. I agree.
 
I was commenting about this:

***This bulb provides a measured light distribution of 300 degrees. In use, this bulb gives the appearance of light all-around (360 degrees).

_http://www.usa.philips.com/c/led-light-bulbs/led-10.5w-60w-medium-base-e26-soft-white-dimmable-046677433147/prd/en/

It has shadow lines on both sides.
 
Some reviews of Philips SlimStyle LED Light Bulb:

The manufacturer says that these must not be used in any completely enclosed fixture. All our ceiling fixtures are enclosed glass globes. These bulbs cannot safely be used in those locations.
(...)

I purchased 36 of these bulbs as soon as they became available, however they all were very noisy. Some of the bulbs made buzzing noises louder than others, and some only start buzzing after warming up to normal operating temperature. I tried these bulbs in multiple fixtures with no luck in any of them. Several others have been posting online about having similar negative experiences with this bulb. It seems to be a quality control problem. With great regret, I had to return all 36 bulbs and can not recommend this product.
(...)

I probably had too much expectation to this product. I have Philips Hue / Philips dimmable LEDs (A19 regular type) They are the best quality with almost no buzzing noise.
However, this newly designed bulb creates tooooo much noise. noticible even at 6-8 ft away. and it gets worse when dimmed.
Many reviewers mentioned about this in other reviews.. I thought that would have been a defective possibly very small portion of this product. But it turned out almost half (or more) are too noisy..
(...)

But I just can't get past the buzzing issue. It's not terribly loud, but like I said, it is definitely noticeable and multiplied by a number of bulbs and I can't recommend them.

_http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-SlimStyle-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-433755/204730356

And here you can see that this bulb has a 120 Hz flicker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDp3fVN_hZI
 
November 18 said:
A: Strobe lights are used for 3rd density mind control.

Q: (L) Strobe lights located where? What brought that up?

A: We have picked up your thought waves, which are progress oriented, and are trying to assist you in your increased learning and progress frequency wave. You see, this increases the energy level!!

Q: (L) Okay. You mentioned the strobe lights. Are these strobe lights that are used to control minds, are these something that we would or might come in contact with on a daily basis?

A: Do you not already know? We didn’t say: some strobe lights, we said: strobe lights, i.e., all-inclusive!

Q: (T) Strobe lights come in many forms and types. TV is a strobe light. Computer screens are a strobe light. Light bulbs strobe, fluorescent strobe, streetlights strobe.

A: Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks… How long has this been true? Have you noticed any changes lately??!!??

Q: (F) Twenty years ago there were no strobe lights on any of those vehicles mentioned. They had the old flasher type lights. Now, more and more and more there are strobe lights appearing in all kinds of places. (L) And now, they even have them on school buses! (T) And the regular city buses have them too, now. (L) Okay, is the strobe of a strobe light set at a certain frequency in order to do certain things?

A: Hypnotic opener.

I also have noticed that emergency lighting installed at all fire alarm locations inside buildings - WOW! Smoke and Strobes what a combination! One could get very confused in a situation like that - then add the piercing screech of the alarm which is multi-directional and not particularly leading you to safety.
 
waverider 9 said:
I also have noticed that emergency lighting installed at all fire alarm locations inside buildings - WOW! Smoke and Strobes what a combination! One could get very confused in a situation like that - then add the piercing screech of the alarm which is multi-directional and not particularly leading you to safety.

Yes, some people might think that they came to the techno party! :lol:
 
I was going to post this on the "suggest an article" section but I thought it was better here. Might be worthy of a place on the Health & Wellness corner of SOTT still...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2626564/The-medical-experts-refuse-use-low-energy-lightbulbs-homes-Professors-stocked-old-style-bulbs-protect-against-skin-cancer-blindness-So-YOU-worried.html

The medical experts who refuse to use low-energy lightbulbs in their homes: Professors have stocked up on old-style bulbs to protect against skin cancer and blindness. So should YOU be worried?
By JOHN NAISH
PUBLISHED: 00:22, 13 May 2014 | UPDATED: 09:33, 13 May 2014

How would you view a man who's stockpiled a lifetime supply of old-fashioned lightbulbs because he believes low-energy bulbs could lead to blindness?
You might well dismiss him as dotty. But the man in question, John Marshall, is no crank. In fact, he's one of Britain's most eminent eye experts, the professor of ophthalmology at the University College London Institute of Ophthalmology. So concerned is he that he has boxes stacked with old-fashioned incandescent lightbulbs at home.
'I bulk bought incandescent lightbulbs before the Government made it illegal to import them,' he says.
'I can't give you an exact number, but I have enough to see me out.'


Nor is he alone in his concerns about modern lightbulbs. Another eminent British professor, John Hawk, an expert in skin disease, is warning they may cause sunburn-like damage, premature aging and even skin cancer.
He doesn't have any low-energy bulbs in his house, explaining: 'I have lots of old-style bulbs I bought in bulk when they were available.'
Incandescent bulbs had been the standard form of illumination for more than a century. But following an EU directive, the Government banned the import of 100-watt bulbs from 2009. This was followed by a ban on 60w bulbs in 2011 and a full ban on all 'traditional' bulbs in 2012.

The EU directive was aimed at cutting fuel and carbon emissions. The low-energy bulbs - or compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs), to give them their technical name - are said to use 80 per cent less electricity and to last longer.
Old-fashioned incandescent bulbs work by electrically heating a filament inside a glass globe filled with inert gas, so that it emits light.
Instead of a glowing filament, low-energy bulbs have argon and mercury vapour within a spiral-shaped tube. When the gas gets heated, it produces ultraviolet light. This stimulates a fluorescent coating painted on the inside of the tube. As this coating absorbs energy, it emits light.

The concern is about some of the light rays emitted in high levels by these bulbs, says Professor Marshall. Recent scientific evidence shows these specific rays are particularly damaging to human eyes and skin.
Light is made up of a spectrum of different coloured rays of light, which have different wavelengths. As he explains: 'Light is a form of radiation. The shorter the wavelength, the more energy it contains.
'The most damaging part of the spectrum is the short wavelength light at the indigo/violet end of blue.
'Incandescent bulbs did not cause problems, but these low-energy lamps emit high peaks of blue and ultraviolet light at this wavelength.'


HOW THEY CAN ATTACK YOUR EYES

In the same way ultraviolet rays in sunlight can cause premature aging in our skin if we get sunburnt, there is a similar situation in the eye, says Professor Marshall.
'You shed skin every five days, but your retina is with you for life.'
The retina at the back of the eye is vital for sight - it's made up of light-sensitive cells that trigger nerve impulses that pass via the optic nerve to the brain, where visual images are formed.

Sustained exposure to ultraviolet light wavelengths from CFLs increases the risk of two seriously debilitating eye conditions, macular degeneration and cataracts, the professor claims.
With macular degeneration, the macula, which is at the centre of the retina, becomes damaged with age. A cataract is a clouding of the lens inside the eye. These are two of the leading causes of blindness in Britain.
'If you are in a country with high levels of ultraviolet light, your eyes will age faster,' he says. 'This is why the incidence of cataracts is earlier and greater nearer the equator, where sunlight is at its strongest, so there is more light across all spectrums. CFLs may have a similar effect.
'The exposure can also significantly increase your risk of macular degeneration. The biggest risk factor for this is age, as it commonly starts to affect people from 60 to 80.
'You will almost certainly exacerbate that risk with low-energy lightbulbs,' adds the professor, who last month warned his colleagues of the dangers at Optrafair, a national education forum for opticians.



READING LAMP DANGER ZONES

But it's not just your eyes that may be at risk from these lightbulbs.
Professor John Hawk, the retired head of the photobiology unit at St John's Institute of Dermatology, King's College, London, warns: 'There is good evidence that the CFLs that have been foisted upon us emit radiation sufficient to cause damage to the skin if used close by for long enough.'
He says the risk is particularly high if the bulb is a metre or less from your body, which is common as people use them in reading lamps.
'There is evidence that demonstrates that the lamps can not only cause damage to skin, but also short-term symptoms such as sun rash and prickly heat, a condition that medically is called polymorphic light eruption.


'As with any ultraviolet damage, these effects can add up over the years. The cumulative effect of this ultra-violet light causing burning, skin cell damage and aging skin, is that it must to some small, but significant, extent, increase the risk of skin cancer.'

Low-energy bulbs are also known to cause trouble to people who have lupus, an auto-immune disorder that typically affects the skin, joints and internal organs. Irritation caused by ultraviolet light worsens the rashes, joint pain and fatigue associated with the disease.
According to the Lupus Foundation of America, up to two-thirds of people with the condition are sensitive to CFLs.


The EU has acknowledged that exposure to low-energy lightbulbs may cause skin damage. But a report published in 2008 by its Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks said this risk is only with 'prolonged' exposure at distances of less than 20cm.
In such cases, 'CFLs may lead to UV exposures approaching the work- place limit set to protect workers from skin and retinal damage'.


The LINK TO MIGRAINE

'Migraines and epilepsy are also problems,' says Professor Hawk. 'I have seen 30 skin patients in my clinic who have been experiencing these problems linked to the bulbs.'
This may be because low-energy bulbs can flicker imperceptibly (incandescent bulbs flicker only when they are about to break).

A 2013 study in the journal Neurology found that flickering lights are likely to trigger migraines in some sufferers. Flickering lights are also a trigger for epileptic fits.
Eleanor Levin, 44, a teacher of Spanish and music from Lancaster, blames low-energy bulbs for her headaches. She says she can't be in the same room as one as it will trigger attacks of nausea, confusion and migraine. She first noticed the problem three years ago, when she began to suffer headaches in the office where she worked. 'In the end, it made me so ill I had to give up that job,
' she says.

Eleanor has seen an array of doctors and neurologists.
'Some neurologists have told me they believe the problem is caused by light flickering and is related to migraines,' she says.
'I have old-fashioned incandescent lights at home and don't get headaches - that's why I now teach students at home for a living. I'm also fine with halogen bulbs.'
But she says she has to be careful where she goes at night. 'Luckily, there are enough places that use gentle ambient light without these bulbs,' she says.
'The EU accepts there can be skin-damage problems related to low-energy lightbulbs, but not headaches. I suspect there are a lot of people who suffer milder problems with CFL bulb-related headaches, but who have not made the link with the cause.'

It's also previously been reported that low-energy bulbs contain small amounts of mercury, raising concerns that if the glass is broken, this toxic substance could be released into the air or landfill.
A study by Germany's Federal Environment Agency found a broken low-energy bulb emits levels of the vapour up to 20 times higher than the safe guideline limit for an indoor area.
While the amounts are relatively small, if a low-energy bulb does break, Public Health England advises householders to evacuate the room and leave it to ventilate for 15 minutes.{!!!}
You're advised to wear gloves while wiping the area with a damp cloth and picking up the fragments - these should be placed in a plastic bag, then sealed.
This should be taken to a council dump and placed in a special recycling bank - councils do not collect hazardous waste in normal collections.

RISK OF FAULTY BULBS

Another potential concern is that low-energy bulbs bought off the shelf vary considerably in the amount of dangerous spectrum ultraviolet light they emit, according to research at Ninewells Hospital, Dundee, by Professor Harry Moseley, its head of photo-biology. 'There appear to be significant problems with quality control in their manufacture,' he says.
'Our testing has found that in a batch of ten CFLs from randomly selected makers, one may be significantly worse than the rest, because, for example, it has a fault in its light-shielding.'
Professor Moseley says that the 'single-envelope' bulbs - the low-energy bulbs where the coiled parts are visible - tend to emit the highest levels of ultraviolet light.

He believes those with a 'double' envelope - where a pearly dome like an old- fashioned lightbulb covers the coiled parts - tend to block out UV light 'much better'.

Dermatologist Professor Hawk acknowledges the efforts to improve the bulbs by providing clouded glass domes.
'But we are not sure how improved they are,' he says.
He has been trying to lobby the EU to lift its ban on incandescent bulbs.
'I have talked to the committee on light safety in Brussels about these concerns, but no one there seems to be interested in this,' he says.
'The EU was trying to be green by introducing CFLs,{no, they weren't} but they did not think of the health consequences. They are very reluctant to reverse its policies.'{because they did think of the health consequences, hence the reluctance to reverse the policies}

Anne Vick, the communications director of Lighting Europe, the industry association representing leading lighting manufacturers, maintains 'there is no risk from ultra- violet light exposure emitted by CFLs as their UVA and UVB rays are well within the limits that guarantee consumer protection'.
She adds: 'European scientific experts have not found any health impact from UV rays emitted by energy-saving bulbs in normal conditions.
'For workers exposed to high levels of light and for people affected by extreme light sensitivity, experts recommended using double-envelope lamps.
'CFLs comply with all relevant consumer protection legislation. All lamps are thoroughly tested in order to ensure safe applications for all consumers.'


Meanwhile, an EU spokes- person told the Mail that 'based on scientific evidence, an EU scientific committee{IOW pathological types & their cronies - bottom-feeders, sycophants etc} in 2008 and the UK's Health Protection Agency came to the conclusion that in normal use compact fluorescent lamps do not pose risks to the general public'.

However, Professor Moseley is not convinced.
He says that what's needed is better legislation from the EU on the quality and safety of low-energy lighting.
'But they are very reluctant,' he says. 'Their feeling is that it is the sufferers' problem. In Brussels, the carbon emission targets take precedence.'

Eye expert Professor Marshall has a far simpler, if rather blunt, solution.
'I would like to urge the manufacturers of these lightbulbs to get rid of them.'

Not. Gonna. Happen. If I were to say any of this to people at work (ophthalmic teaching clinic) they wouldn't be impressed. Even if they were open to the information, they're still going to adhere to the curriculum; a new generation of clinicians will absorb nonsensical, contradictory material & stuff unnecessary chemicals into people's eyes. Worse, there's a children's clinic in the building too. I shudder everyday. :(
 

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